So, is the right to vote, a right or a privilege?
Watching a program called "Electoral Dysfunction" which claims you have no defined "right to vote" but that it is a privilege granted by each state, thus the reason for the electoral college as a compromise. Might be something to bring up if we ever get the Convention of States off the ground...
That certainly implies that governments grant no rights whatsoever and have only the powers the voters give them. I've always felt that the Electoral College the the solution to the impossibility of running a meaningful campaign in the era of transportation via horseback. Now that we have instantaneous electronic communications that isn't an issue, although one could certainly argue with the phrase "meaningful campaign".
Of course, the issue becomes do the 'governed' have the power to grant the government unlimited power over others or are there limitations to mob rule? One would hope it is limited and that they can't simply vote to take others assets.
No one will do anything if I don't vote. I just plain don't feel right about it
mangled by most everyone discussing it. -- j
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from Dutch mangel and late latin manganum. . wow! -- j
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we talking about holding a photo up with one hand? -- j
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themselves.. . yessir, mangled is an understatement! -- j
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In the land of Ten Thousand lakes you can't rent a canoe with out a license, but according to the enablers you are a bigot if you think an ID to prove identity and eligibility at the voting booth is needed. The so called reason is all the poor folks don't have the ability to travel to get an ID and apparently they the poor are of a different race all according to the libretards.
Regards,
DOB
people hooked on voting D. -- j
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I don't think there is any Objectivist consensus on what a privilege actually is. In an Objectivist society, would it be proper for a government to grant privileges, or would government be restricted to recognizing and defending rights?
Women have a history of voting for the greater of two evils.
Men on the other hand have a history of voting in fear of that evil for the so-called lesser evil encouraged by GOP propaganda.
Sometimes I think universal suffrage is the greatest evil.
I thought it was an Onion piece when I first saw it...
. . . Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, Americans have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure.
. . . Under the republican form of government, Americans are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves.
. . . By your consent to be governed, you may aspire to public service and govern / rule others who also consented to be governed. But in exchange for the privilege, you waive your endowments and accept mandatory civic duties.
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• In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government.
• If instead of endowed rights, you have "constitutional rights" (privileges), and mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government - by your consent.
• If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA - again, by your consent.
“The Social Security Act does not require an individual to have a Social Security Number (SSN) to live and work within the United States, nor does it require an SSN simply for the purpose of having one...”
- - - The Social Security Administration
http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/Scott...
Just try to get by without paying it. A man with a calculator in one hand and a gun in the other will be knocking on your door.
I've had so many run-ins with the IRS I suppose I attributed the same power to the SS people. Such is the fearsomeness of the all-powerful government.
http://constitution.org/tax/us-ss/ss/...
and (7) provide that, if the State
or any of its political subdivisions collects from the estate of any
recipient of old-age assistance any amount with respect to old-age
assistance furnished him under the plan, one-half of the net amount
so collected shall be promptly paid to the United States . Any payment
so made shall be deposited in the Treasury to the credit of the
appropriation for the purposes of this title .
There was no provision in any estate settlement for recouping what was paid, but that seems to be what it says.
Don't confuse the two.
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]
IN SHORT,
The American citizen has no endowed right to life, nor liberty, nor absolute ownership because, as a subject, he can be ordered to train, fight, and die, on command (militia duty), and was obligated to give up a portion of his property (taxes, etc).
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▸ From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
HOWEVER - - - -
▸ Amendment V, US Constitution 1789 : “... nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.”
"PRIVATE PROPERTY - As protected from being taken for public uses, is such property as belongs absolutely to an individual, and of which he has the exclusive right of disposition. Property of a specific, fixed and tangible nature, capable of being in possession and transmitted to another, such as houses, lands, and chattels."
- - - Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.1217.
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Sadly, private property ownership was abolished in 1933... by consent, via FICA.
Article 1, Section 1. Inherent Rights of Mankind
All men are born equally free and independent, and have certain inherent and indefeasible rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation, and of pursuing their own happiness.
Section 10.
...nor shall private property be taken or applied to public use, without authority of law and without just compensation being first made or secured.
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No government has the power to tax or confiscate private property without first paying JUST compensation.
However, estate is not protected.
OWNERSHIP - ... Ownership of property is either absolute or qualified. The ownership of property is absolute when a single person has the absolute dominion over it... The ownership is qualified when it is shared with one or more persons, when the time of enjoyment is deferred or limited, or when the use is restricted.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p. 1106
LAND. ... The land is one thing, and the ESTATE in land is another thing, for an ESTATE in land is a time in land or land for a time.
- - -Black's Law dictionary, sixth ed., p.877
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools...
They call it a tax, and taxes are levied by government, therefore it is not optional. The wording sounds like more government BS babble to confuse people, since you must pay FICA, it IS a tax, and to do that you MUST have an SSN.
There is no American law compelling participation in FICA, nor is there any law punishing non-participation in FICA.
Write polite questionnaires to your public servants and ask for a copy of any law that compels participation in FICA.
Coincidentally, I am no longer a "person liable" for any excise tax on a privilege that incurs an income tax. Eye Are Us won't accept unnumbered forms, so I can't be charged with willful failure to file.
The income tax is not a tax on income, btw.
“The income tax is, therefore, not a tax on income as such. It is an excise tax with respect to certain activities and PRIVILEGES which is measured by reference to the income which they produce. The income is not the subject of the tax: it is the basis for determining the amount of the tax.”
- - - F. Morse Hubbard, Treasury Department legislative draftsman. House Congressional Record March 27th 1943, page 2580.
‘When a court refers to an income tax being in the nature of an excise, it is merely stating that the tax is not on the property itself, but rather it is a fee for the PRIVILEGE of receiving gain from the property. The tax is based upon the amount of the gain, not the value of the property.' John R. Luckey, Legislative Attorney with the Library of Congress, ‘Frequently Asked Questions Concerning The Federal Income Tax' (C.R.S. Report for Congress 92-303A (1992)).
‘The terms ‘excise tax' and ‘privilege tax' are synonymous. The two are often used interchangeably.'
- - - American Airways v. Wallace 57 F.2d 877, 880
‘Excises are taxes laid upon the manufacture, sale or consumption of commodities within the country, upon licenses to pursue certain occupation and upon corporate PRIVILEGES.’ ‘…the requirement to pay such taxes involves the exercise of a PRIVILEGE…’
- - - U.S. Supreme Court, Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., 220 U.S. 107
"The revenue laws are a code or system in regulation of tax assessment and collection. They relate to taxpayers, and not to nontaxpayers. The latter are without their scope. No procedure is prescribed for nontaxpayers, and no attempt is made to annul any of their RIGHTS and remedies in due course of law. With them Congress does not assume to deal, and they are neither of the subject nor of the object of the revenue laws..."
- - - Economy Plumbing & Heating v. U.S., 470 F2d. 585 (1972)
[Always ask which revenue taxable privilege is the reason for the imposing of a tax.]
Remember, no government instituted to secure rights can tax rights - only government privileges.
Politely ask which privileges are the basis for any tax imposed.
- - - Economy Plumbing & Heating v. U.S., 470 F2d. 585 (1972)
The KEY is not being a "taxpayer."
The Eye Are Us have no jurisdiction over nontaxpayers.
One must investigate exactly which privileges are the basis for the excise tax on income.
Of course, even Congress enacts laws it has not read, so it is reasonable that most 'informed' Americans have never read American law.
But before you hurl heifer dung, I urge you to visit your county courthouse law library and READ THE LAW for yourself.
If it hadn't been amended into uselessness, the E.C. would eliminate many abuses:
[] national campaigning and the need for legalized bribery (campaign contributions) would be unnecessary
[] The result of rivals holding high office was to insure that there would be someone watching in the wings, with an axe to grind if the CiC was doing something improper. That was why the VP was not given specific duties, in the USCON... His original job was to be “Fly on the Wall” - not a part of a “team”.
Unfortunately, it worked too well, and George Washington disliked John Adams, (his V.P.) immensely and urged amending the operation of the Electoral College. Bad move.
"Democracy? We don' wan no stinkin' democracy!"
I.E. You don't have a right as the majority to vote to take away anyone else's rights or properties.
The founders never granted a universal right to vote. And they didn't intend to. And, if you read the constitution, you do NOT have a guaranteed right to vote (in there).
The founders always intended for those that vote to have some skin in the game. The easiest way they could quantify that during those times was to be a Landowner, which was the surest guarantor of paying taxes. These days with computerized accounting platforms, you could easily set it so that only those that have a net positive contribution to society get to vote.
I.E. All the taxes you pay (voluntarily or involuntarily) MINUS all the benefits you get from the Government (welfare, social security, govt. contracts, salary). If it's above 0, you get to vote.