Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by coaldigger 10 years, 5 months ago
    “First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me—
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.”

    ― Martin Niemöller
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
    It doesn't require oversight as it's blatantly illegal on its face. An American citizen has a constitutional right to due process. NOBODY gets to take that away arbitrarily. If they aren't actively using arms to harm others, then they must be captured, advised of their rights, and then tried in the courts.

    This is a "high crime" and should be treated as such.
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  • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 5 months ago
    Committing acts of war against the U S allows for the revocation of ones citizenship. Our dear leader just wanted to skip an important step in a legal process- but such laws are for lesser leaders. Once the individual is no longer an American citizen, he/she can be designated an illegal combatant under the Geneva convention or as Hostis Humani Generis and taken out with a Lapua or a Predator.
    Cheers
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
      Revocation of citizenship would have been a very easy mechanism to cause this to not be unconstitutional. But that would have taken one to understand the US Constitution, and we couldn't expect a guest lecturer on said document to actually understand it, now could we?
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      • Posted by KevinSmith1281 10 years, 5 months ago
        Who should determine that an American citizen has committed an act of war against the US? Should we take the government at their word that somebody is a terrorist or has committed an act of war? Should we trust how they define those acts, not only now but in the future. Some members of congress declares the Tea Party to be behaving like terrorists over differences during debt ceiling negotiations.
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        • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 5 months ago
          That is why there is a legal process for revoking ones citizenship.
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          • Posted by KevinSmith1281 10 years, 5 months ago
            After re-reading your initial post, it appears I didn't read it correctly at first. My apologies.
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            • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 5 months ago
              no worries mate. On Page 6 of any U S passport is a list of information 13. LOSS OF U S CITIZENSHIP. (2) taking an oath or making a declaration to a foreign state (3) serving in the armed forces of a foreign state ...
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              • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 5 months ago
                Yes, a legal process would have been appropriate. But when you believe you are beyond the law, those become irrelevancies.
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                • Posted by Bobhummel 10 years, 5 months ago
                  And that applies to every action and executive order. What will do the most damage to America's political standing in the world, the national economy (2.9% reduction in growth in Q1), the moral of the military, destruction of personal liberty, rights and responsibility, and the nation as a whole? That is what our dear leader will do.
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