Private College chooses to close based on Federal actions.
Posted by edweaver 8 years, 3 months ago to Government
I don't know allot about this but it reminds me of Atlas Shrugged. Is this the first of more?
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My wife and I are qualified by knowledge to teach classes at our local community college. We are not qualified by education, however, because we only have Bachelor's degrees. So instead they hired the mechanic who messed up our truck but has a MA in music. He teaches auto mechanics there. Some days I dream of starting Snezzy's School of Practical Mathematics. Other days I am wide awake.
Maybe Donald can shut down the Fed Ed Dept. But i doubt it.
There's another one down in Florida but the list is very very short.
They publish a nice monthly conservative commentary which you can subscribe to at https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/ .
The home page http://www.bju.edu/ starts off with:
"Build Faith. Challenge Potential. Follow Christ.
"At Bob Jones University we inspire you as a disciple of Jesus Christ to push the limits of your own creativity, skill and faith—all for the glory of God. We infuse every course with a biblical worldview and strive to offer the best academic experience of any Christian university. Our vibrant Christian community will support you as you build your faith, challenge your potential and prepare to follow Jesus Christ."
At https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
"Creed
"We believe in the inspiration of the Bible (both the Old and the New Testaments); the creation of man by the direct act of God; the incarnation and virgin birth of our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ; His identification as the Son of God; His vicarious atonement for the sins of mankind by the shedding of His blood on the cross; the resurrection of His body from the tomb; His power to save men from sin; the new birth through the regeneration by the Holy Spirit; and the gift of eternal life by the grace of God."
They then go on to take dogmatic institutional "positions" on a whole host of topics based on the Bible, including Creationism against science. This is not education.
Yes, "their graduates are at a disadvantage", to put it mildly.
Thanks for turning me on to it. Too bad they don't have engineering.
I'm going to point it out to my daughter, and see what she is interested (HS senior now).
Hillsdale's choice in particular to emphasize religion, social conservatism, and religious re-interpretations of history as inherent in its educational content is a steep price to pay in the name of an equivocation on "independence". There are wide differences in the quality and focus of different colleges and universities and the choice of where to apply should be based on what they do, how well they do it, and the difficulty of being accepted, not the false alternative of religion versus directly or indirectly accepting government funding through student loans or more (as in public funding of public universities or research grants to professors at private institutions). An engineering student, for example, should not decide between MIT and Hillsdale based on Hillsdale's advertising of financial independence from government.
An engineering student doesn't have to choose between HIllsdale or MIT. Hillsdale doesn't offer engineering.
The history and politics courses are laced with religious conservative re-interpretations, it shows up wherever philosophical values are https://www.hillsdale.edu/hillsdale-b...
Hillsdale is a liberal arts college but has majors in physics, chemistry, biology, and mathematics, but not specific engineering fields. Likewise, MIT has majors and minors in many areas other than engineering. Based on Hillsdale's advertising of "independence" as if it had a monopoly on academic integrity you wouldn't pick Hillsdale over MIT for any of them, though in many non-science cases it would be a false alternative and you wouldn't choose either if you want to avoid the statist progressivism on the one hand and the religious emphasis on the other.
My suggestion was shot down because of Hillsdale's "religious" leaning, which I was thoroughly unaware of, even though I've been getting Imprimis for several years. At no time did I ever feel the school was preaching at me.
Regardless, I support Hillsdale and still believe they would turn out a superior Presidential candidate for this country.
It isn't hard to see from Hillsdale lectures that they appeal to conservative religious premises.
https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
Posted by Radio_Randy
I say a college degree SHOULD be a requirement for President of the United States and it should come from Hillsdale College!
Posted by ewv
A background in religious indoctrination is not and should not be a requirement to hold office.
Posted by Radio_Randy
I hope that comment was not about Hillsdale...I only mention that college as it is one of the premier colleges that specialize in Constitutional studies.
Posted by ewv
You didn't just mention Hillsdale, you wrote that a degree from Hillsdale should be a requirement to be President. Hillsdale does in fact heavily promote religion mixed in with its history. Understanding history is very important, but no particular college should be a requirement and there are other options for learning history that are often better than a typical college. But the mixture of religious dogma with education is deadly and is not and should not be a requirement to hold office.
Your statement that you were "shot down because of Hillsdale's 'religious' leaning" for a "suggestion ... that we would get a decent Presidential candidate" from Hillsdale is false. Hillsdale has a mission to promulgate religion and mix it with history in the name of education, not a "religious leaning", and you said graduating from Hillsdale should be a "requirement" for being President. That is why your post was rejected. Your misrepresentation of that is not honest.
For those who already understand enough of history, philosophy and social sciences to know the difference between fact and fantasy and who can critically follow a lecture without being misled by biases, listening to some of the Hillsdale online lectures can be worthwhile if supplemented by wider critical reading. The same is true for many other sources of conservative political commentary. For students just starting out or those who don't understand what they are missing because of previous misleading education and propaganda, the religious mission of Hillsdale is destructive indoctrination in both content and method of thinking and content. Some of those steeped in or affected by religious conservatism who don't realize what Hillsdale is doing and how it is misleading and undermining education are actively promoting it without qualification as if it were the best source of education. It is not.
There is no preference for any college a president should have attended. We elect a president as an individual, not a college. Education is what one makes of it for himself and is a life long experience. There have been both good and bad people who graduated from, for example, Harvard, or no college at all. Attending a religious college like Hillsdale is not a preference, let alone a requirement. One may or may not get a good education in some respects from Hillsdale, but its promotion by religious conservatives as the superior college because it is religious conservative is wrong for the same reason that all religious conservatism is wrong as a philosophical and historical basis of this country.
Thank you.
Mission Statement
Hillsdale College is an independent institution of higher learning founded in 1844 by men and women “grateful to God for the inestimable blessings” resulting from civil and religious liberty and “believing that the diffusion of learning is essential to the perpetuity of these blessings.” It pursues the stated object of the founders: “to furnish all persons who wish, irrespective of nation, color, or sex, a literary, scientific, [and] theological education” outstanding among American colleges “and to combine with this such moral and social instruction as will best develop the minds and improve the hearts of its pupils.” As a nonsectarian Christian institution, Hillsdale College maintains “by precept and example” the immemorial teachings and practices of the Christian faith.
It's another reason why the Federal Government shouldn't be in the business of education!
Close the schools, open the borders, enslave ambitious legal residents to socialism.
"Cambria-Rowe closing its doors" http://www.wearecentralpa.com/news/lo.... "Their accreditor . . . will no longer be recognized by the Department of Education and without this accreditation their students cannot receive financial aid."
"DuBois Business College to close its doors after 131 years" http://www.thecourierexpress.com/news.... "DBC is taking this final action now because of issues with the accrediting agency ACICS and its role within the government bureaus that regulate student financial aid."
Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredi.... "[I]nstitutions it accredits are required to demonstrate a student retention rate of at least 75 percent."
Appears wiser to be defiant -- like Hillsdale and Grove City: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove_C....
Government has taken over education as much as possible under current law, and when "free" college comes under government sway, the path to the destruction of private educational institutions will have been mapped out. Government will then have the ability to brainwash the young from pre-school through graduate college.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=barWV...
Well, if not sick Shillary, looks like Bozo Biden will be up for Groper-In-Chief!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R5gH...
Looks to me like the Democratic Party are still stacking the deck against Bolshevik Bernie-- even though they are all socialist fascists.
Then I could be wrong. Only about Bernie, I mean.
Not sure if they took federal money. I haven't studied it at all. Heard about it on the local talk radio program because one of the schools was local, in Madison, WI. It sounded like they were targeted because they were private but that could be a misconception. I'm wondering if there are other private colleges dealing with the same issues
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XqyG...
I'd like to see someone do an objective rating of what fraction of students at every "college" (1) graduate and (2) get better jobs after graduating. I suspect that most of the colleges that have had recent protests -- even big ones such as Harvard and Stanford -- now have, or soon will have, pretty rotten results in that regard and the market should put them out of business.
That's been going on for quite a while. A newly minted college graduate nepotism aside, has no more chance at getting a good job than high school graduates 20 years ago. Maybe even less.
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Your attempt to shut Fivedollargold down with comments not in evidence, is contrary to our purpose (see above). He did not "defend" religious dogma, but pointed out that uninformed blanket statements simply reflect badly on the ignorant troll who posted them. Fivedollargold has been to the BJU campus, hired two of their faculty (including one lesbian), and knows several of their graduates who are courteous, fine people. Saint Ayn may have been an atheist, but Objectivism isn't about religion; it's about Producers and Moochers. Try reading Atlas Shrugged carefully next time.
Atlas Shrugged is not about shallow conservative slogans reducing it to "producers and moochers" pretending there is no philosophical base and no body of extensive explanation provided by what you deride as "Saint Ayn" who "may have been an atheist". You do not snottily tell those who know far more about this than you to "try reading Atlas Shrugged carefully next time". If you want to learn what Ayn Rand's philosophy is that made Atlas Shrugged possible, start with this: https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...
Bob Jones, with which you have been associated and are promoting, is well known and well documented as a dogmatic religious institution in addition to tying religion to conservative politics. Links and quotes from the Bob Jones website have also been provided here. Your denial is dishonest. It is the worst of the worst substituting for a rational college education.
Your defiantly personal and loutish insults would be enough to justify removing you for violating the guidelines here. Your insults and promotions of a religious institution are not "inspired conversation". You are not a "like minded individual". This is not a place for religious conservative militant activists to promote their anti Ayn Rand ideology and its institutions with contempt for Ayn Rand while rudely insulting those who reject the attempted takeover as being what you call the "trolls".