Gary Johnson Loses It! Goes Full PC Over Term ‘Illegal Immigrant’ [VIDEO]

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Gary Johnson Loses It! Goes Full PC Over Term ‘Illegal Immigrant’ [VIDEO]
An interview with guy Benson of Townhall:
Wow, Johnson really loses it... no matter how one feels about the rest of his platform, or illegal immigration, or "undocumented immigrants" I would say to him, No; I would not do the same thing. Right or wrong, I would respect the sovereignty and rule of law of the nation I wish to enter. I would enter legally, consider another nation, stay where I am and try to change things in my native land, or start my own business. I wouldn't want to be arrested or considered to be a scofflaw by the native citizens. When in Rome...
A second link: http://www.infowars.com/watch-gary-jo...
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    Posted by bobsprinkle 8 years, 4 months ago
    The Libertarian candidate showing political correctness. Rude to call an illegal alien an illegal alien. I am registered independent. I subscribe to many libertarian ideals. Johnson is embarrassing the libertarian party. I will hold my nose and vote for Trump as a vote against the Hildebeast.
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 4 months ago
      Actually, when I went to the Libertarian website a long while ago, Johnson's platform seems 100% aligned with "Libertarianism" as outlined on their own site.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 3 months ago
        The LP platform hasn't significantly changed in the 30+ years I've been a member. It is a consistent philosophy with principles, even if it doesn't include as deep a philosophy as Objectivism. (A fact that doesn't bother me since I long ago outgrew the notion that any "ultimate bedrock" exists into which a philosophy can ever be grounded. Beneath logic and semantics there is nothing but a vacuum.)

        Those who call it inconsistent simply need to unlearn the bogus dualism of "left" and "right".
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        • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
          I didn't call it inconsistent. I just would never support open borders, irrespective of LPs many other positions that I do agree with. However Weld's gun control position I do not support either.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
        That's what I thought to and then one of the other posters asked me to go look again. i did and becasme a fan of the platform minus a couple of inconsequentials. That got me looking at Johnson and Weld all over again. It also lined uip with one of his speeches or interviews. My first thought was go back and look at that new platform. Who knows it looked mighty good and mighty empty. Now that is my own opinion. But coupled with the lack of facts on another quest for objectivity it was enough for me. I still prefer None Of The Above. Probably so does the entire nation. But I can't torpedo the Republic for which I stood in uniform for 24 years. based on personal opinion.

        the only true test was lesser of two evils. That would be Clinton and Klein. I yelled about damn political insiders along with others. So I can't torpedo someone for being what I asked for. I listened to the media and that really convinced me. Whatever they are for I'm against.

        Sorry Hillary ha ha three strikes your out.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 4 months ago
    Johnson is trying to show how libertarians straddle both left and right and are therefore the party that is more inclusive than any other. This is one of its greatest faults as represented by Johnson. The basic senses of original Libertarianism was to jusge everything on its merits based on a rational philosophic underpinning. Johnson has turned that idea into a "let's show liberals how liberal we are, while we show conservatives how conservative we are. It's Libertarianism as seen in a fun house mirror.
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    • Posted by roneida 8 years, 3 months ago
      A few years ago, some big ampaign was going on and one candidate was so proud of staying in the Middle of the Road. The Secretary of Agriculture for the State of Texas told him, " Son, in Texas all we have in the middle of the road are yellow lines and dead armadillos" .
      I laughed for days over that...still true.
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    • Posted by jsw225 8 years, 3 months ago
      Libertarianism is the opposite of Liberalism (Progressivism). The fact that Johnson things himself as rather progressive just shows that it is another party perverted by socialists.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
        Libertarianism is NOT the opposite of liberalism, which is also not the same as progressive. It is not possible to be in alignment on social freedom and be opposite. The problem with progressives is they don't follow up social freedom with complimentary responsibility.
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    • Posted by Maritimus 8 years, 3 months ago
      Hello Herb,
      Does not what you just wrote clearly demonstrate that the terms liberal, libertarian or conservative are utterly meaningless? To me, clearly, they are. They ended up meaning whatever one wishes them to mean, when used.
      All the best!
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 3 months ago
        Yes, I agree. They are labels that have lost their meanings. At the turn of the 19th to 20th century, liberal meant what we now call conservative. Libertarian has come to be a party of rational philosophy in name only, while liberal now means socialist. We once had a country that was a Rolls-Royce compared to others. Today we'll have to get there in a Yugo.
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  • Posted by Tassie 8 years, 4 months ago
    I am registered Libertarian. I believe that Gary will be the cause of Hillary's win in November. He isn't pulling any votes away from her, but is pulling them from Trump. Gary cannot win. And he'll lose it for Trump. Sad state of affairs!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Possibly but stripping Johnson is quite easy. All he's got to do is mention including people from smaller parties in his administration 'as' members of that party. Example Allison of BBBT as a consultant adviser on the economy etc. Couch it in terms like this. Libertarians have labored hard and long for many years and like most party members there are those special few. (Insert name) currently from the Green Party is another. In that way members of these small group who struggled valiantly and with great moral purpose would be put in a position to make a difference. Thus heartening their membership and attracting new members. Perhaps that would get some more life into these debates requring 15%." No need to memntion Klein nor Johnson. And Allison is the one obvious choice. Refine that and throw it in the mix as Diversity In Politics Keeps It Alive!
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  • Posted by katiegail 8 years, 4 months ago
    The US Constitution says: "and to exercise authority over all Places purchased by the consent of the Legislature of the State in which the same shall be, for the erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful buildings; . . .}

    It does not say for parks or other purposes. Nor does it say the federal gov't owns' all land not deeded to individuals.

    That land control would fall to the States.

    Just one more way the States are supreme to the Feds.

    Nor does the U.S. Constitution use the word immigration, ever, at all. The reference to migration refers to a State power, not a federal power.

    Why do we cave whenever the feds overstep their powers?

    No one paying attention at first and, after the fact, we simply accept unconstitutional laws.
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
      Well, wouldn't Immigration fall under the auspices of "national security " which is enumerated in the Constitution ? I don't know, just asking. I'm all for states' rights, but how can immigration effectively be carried out by individual states ? Every state would have huge borders to control ( their state's perimeter) and the feds can't even control an international border. Which imo puts the country at large at risk, ergo it is a national security issue and a fed responsibility for "providing for national defense". No ?
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      • Posted by jsw225 8 years, 3 months ago
        Simply put, Congress ONLY has the power to set Immigration and Naturalization policy, according to the US Constitution. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant the Federal Government sole province to enforce those powers.

        As long as the states are following the same policy (and they should be held to account for it, both doing too much, and too little), they are fully expected to help enforce immigration law.
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        • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
          There must be something amiss in this information since the fed prevailed against AZ ( or TX?) regarding border enforcement saying the state was overstepping its authority and that border enforcement was a fed responsibility.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
            Yes and then when Arizona asked the feds to send in as sistance to control that very large super highway from the border knifing due north between Tucson and Phoenix Obama refused but wanted local and state police to do the job. They refused as of now that national park is effectively Mexican territory.
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  • Posted by bittersweet 8 years, 3 months ago
    Just as Galt only allowed people to join his society who agreed with his moral and economic philosophies, we must do the same in order to save our dwindling capitalistic society. The only way to do that is to regulate immigration.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
    I have to ask why is the truth rude. Only if you accept the definitions of the left and in doing so enable and support them. But then Johnson did in effect say it was OK to break the law as long as you were a foreign Latino, Do we call it rude to say a drunk is a drunk or a Democrat is a democrat , I am so glad I rejected the PC definitions of the left. Especially definitions from a group who have zero morals, values and standards. Next thing you'll be calling Hillary a Constitutionalist.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 3 months ago
    Overstated title. I agree with Johnson to some degree, and I suspect the interviewer was just trying to prod him into saying something outrageous to use against him. The little interviewer comes across as a twerp to me.
    Yes they are illegal. Yes the laws need updating. Is this really the biggest problem we have? Only citizens should vote and hardworking, smart people should get citizenship in ten minutes. Maybe we can make space for them by exporting some able-bodied welfare candidates to socialist and communist states.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Another category that gets lumped into the swirl are are not illegals but refugees. The groups in Syria who were dodging the genocidests and the ones Kerry ruled were refugee status. Prior to that about 25 people of four or five groups were allowed in so you might want to ask Mr. Kerry how many have been extracted so far? They have a legitimate reason. So do most of the desert crossers but they face a different kind of persecution. Pasports at $3,000 to $7,000 peso one for each member of the family. That's six to fourteen weeks of income. But if they can get Mexico to lower that one cost it would help.

      Second thing is requirements to enter demand some skills. Demonstrated grasp of the language when they go to the consulate is one. Bringing a family from Chiapis to Nogales or even the much closer Brownsville is a huge undertaking. So some changes in the policies might help. That takes deal making if you are talking Mexico or Iran. Never the less when they cross illegally they have committed a criminal act and they know it. Their own government provides a comic strip type guide on the subject.

      So what it boils down to is all these Hollywood Liberals have purchased a passport set for any of the families down here. Put your money where your mouth is and not in Clintons piggy bank. And don't enable those who encourage law breaking. Although working to change those laws might help. Legally not by the whim of a dictator.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 3 months ago
    What choices we have...
    A Crook
    A pretender
    and another pretender.

    Election 2016, what was a slam dunk for the Rs has become more nauseating than any election in recent memory...pick you poison.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
    RCP Average 8/22 - 9/2 -- -- 46.0 42.1 Clinton +3.9 Someone's sllippage is showing...

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
    LA Times/USC
    Clinton42
    Trump45
    Trump +3

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
    IBD/TIPP
    Clinton39
    Trump39
    Johnson12
    Stein3
    Tie

    General Election: Trump vs. Clinton
    IBD/TIPP
    Clinton44
    Trump43
    Clinton +1

    Iowa: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein
    Emerson
    Trump44
    Clinton39
    Trump +5


    For a complete breakdown RealClear.com or Pew.com No Cherry picking and most all the polls included. Last week nary a one showed Trump ahead now 19 of them do exactly that. What I don't know is which polls are open to anyone and which are restricted to just registered voters.

    Kinda makes you wish those Latino Supporters could vote doesn't it H illary
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
    It seems like Johnson was having a really bad day-- tired and frustrated. He kept conflating issues. At least twice the interviewer asked him a question, and Johnson responded to something different that Trump said.

    I agree with Johnson's point about it being rude to call people "illegal". He doesn't agree with the law, so he finds it offensive to call people who commit these illegal acts by the name of their crimes: illegal immigrants, drug criminals, income tax cheats.

    Johnson was very unclear about the executive orders. I think, although I'm not sure, he was saying exec orders overturning laws may be okay if there's no hope of enforcing the law.

    One thing I liked about his style is he didn't raise the tone of his voice, but that's about all I liked. He usually does interviews where he sticks to the same talking points. I don't know if he want off the message or if he's trying to change his message, trying to get away from the exasperated rising tone thing, and trying to express indignation at Trump.

    My guess is he was tired and in a bad mood, and his attitude was more like, "Politics is a crappy job. I'm sick of doing interviews all day, answering phony-baloney questions about dog-whistle rhetoric, while pretending like we're not talking about what the rednecks hear in that dog-whistle." A hardcore politician would have just roboticaly stuck to the talking points and gone and gotten some rest after an unremarkable interview.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 4 months ago
      I agree with Johnson's point about it being rude to call people "illegal"
      I am surprised to hear this from a objectivist...A=A right...you snuck in under the wire, you steal a SS, put your kids in school all at our expense and It's "RUDE"? to say what IS...Illegal? again...A=A
      Someone breaks the law...to say you broke the law...is not rude...if the illegal thinks it's rude?...to bad, you shouldn't of broken the law.

      That's just my opinion...and I'm sticking to it.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
        I don't think Johnson is an O... Those that have paid into SS should get their money. Those that have snuck in under the wire should get no benefits. If we did away with the welfare state we could have open borders- only screening for criminals. Friedman was right- you can't have both.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
          You can Only have open borders when EVERYONE respects private property, property rights and the individual's person.

          Right now, less than 1/2 the world gets it.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 3 months ago
            But, the globalists are telling us all isms, cultures, religions and ideologies are good for us without concern! Right?!?!
            "Ultimately" we must protect ourselves, our rights and our property. The cops only show up after the fact.
            Of course, I don't really think any nation with wealth for looters or victims for thugs can have completely open borders. I believe we can one day have more freedom to cross at check points as easily as I onced crossed from Detroit to Windsor a few decades ago. I don't see all of humanity singing kumbaya any time soon. That world requires quite a bit of "Soma" (Brave New World). No... we are going to need some technology and customs gateways for the foreseeable future. Two of the 9-11 terrorists overstayed their visas... We need to ask why someone has overstayed, and it would seem to me to be negligent if borderstates didn't make some attempt to keep known threats from entering. Otherwise ...Wild west justice? Shoot horse thieves on the spot? ... Or be sheep waiting for the sacrifice? No, All of Humanity is not ready to live and let live...
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 3 months ago
              Still reading the commentary in the latest Julian Jaynes book, psychologist have determined that more than 60% of the countries and cultures in the world are what they call "Pre-Literate" meaning their language and use of it put's them right back in pagan bicameral old testament times. You see, it wasn't Only spoken language that started us on the journey into self awareness, it was written language and a loss of their internal voice that pushed us over the edge; so you can see here Why, most of the world has not caught up.
              Like it or not, it was our Hebrew biblical ancestors awakening that gave us "western" society.

              How to awaken the rest of the worlds cultures...I have no clue except, teach them English and give em a whole lot to read and write.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago
      One way of looking at it is that once over the border, either way, you are in a sense legal again by being under the legal system on that side of a border. Suppose I drive about seven miles south, I will be no longer be Wisconsin legal but suddenly Illinois legal but if I spend money for something there I will have caused a balance of payments problem because all I got is some Illinois goods and they got my more valuable money. If they go spend it in Iowa, then Iowa has my money. See how strange it gets when going by Trump's economic beliefs.
      Now for Johnson: We are presented with several candidates for POTUS. A left authoritarian with progressive leanings, a right authoritarian with conservative leanings, and a somewhat libertarian with some live and let live leanings ( sorry for leaving out the Greens and others). The left wants authority over business economics, the right wants authority over mental economics, and the libertarian wants to free up economics. I mean by economics the human action used to obtain both mental and physical values.
      Personally, I would go for Johnson because spending a wasted vote for the lesser authoritarian is the right thing to do. A wasted vote is a vote that is one that over votes for the winner or is a vote for a loser. There are always more than 50% if the votes that are wasted votes.
      Trump, with his extreme pro law abiding rhetoric, is giving me the mental picture of brown shirted jackboots coming to US streets to root out the illegals and real criminals along with others who may in the near future be considered to be vermin.
      Clinton, with her anti-economic stance, brings a mental picture of what Rand saw from her window in the early days of the soviets.
      So be brave and use the wasted vote for Johnson.

      By the way, did I hear right the other day? I wasn't recording and heard something in a Trump speech about everyone to be required to take an oath of allegiance. I guess I will be off to rock breaking in some gulag for those who do not easily bend to authoritarians.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
        "If [IL residents] go spend it in Iowa, then Iowa has my money."
        That FIB you paid probably drove his Lexus 80mph to WI for this long weekend and is spending that money here right now. :) :)

        "I would go for Johnson because spending a wasted vote for the lesser authoritarian is the right thing to do."
        He's about as libertarian as you can be and have a shot at winning. I think he has a real shot if some sort of major scandal or upset were to occur. It would have to be something like positive proof that Trump paid underage Mexican boys to sleep with him. Obviously that didn't happen, but something like that would cause him to lose the redneck vote. The conservatives who would vote for him b/c he has the best shot at winning would go to Johnson. Then a bunch more Democrats like me might go to Johnson, esp in a year like this when the Democratic nominee is not that popular. Johnson has a slim but real chance of winning. I have a sign up in my front yard, which is on a major commuter road 3 blocks north of a high tech park with 3,800 employees, just the kind of people who might vote Johnson.
        "is giving me the mental picture of brown shirted jackboots "
        I get that image from his rhetoric, but I think (hope) he couldn't execute it effectively, and he's just saying that to fire up the scared, confused, and angry rednecks of the US.

        "Clinton, with her anti-economic stance,"
        I think she's a master of the status quo. In a country where gov't is a big chunk of the GDP, she'd make sure everyone gets a little slice and the gov't machine keeps its high taxing and spending. I don't think she's really anti-economic. That's just for the scared and confused handout-seekers, who are similar to rednecks Trump seeks but slightly less angry.

        I try not to get caught up in it. These are amazingly good times, and politicians gear their message to people who have a problem that they can offer to solve. It's similar how ads try to suggest you have some failing or something missing that their product/service can fix. So if you listen to politicians and commentators you get this idea of how everything is miserable, even though this is an amazingly prosperous and peaceful time in human history.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 3 months ago
          You are correct about the times. As developed countries create more wealth, the conditions in other countries tend to get better as long as the people have some liberty. In the US the overflow helps millions who would be worse off without the wealth creation. Just have to get some of the law off the backs of everyone so that compliance does not destroy a lot of the future wealth.
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    Posted by cem4881 8 years, 4 months ago
    There is illegal and there is immoral. I am committing a moral act to enter a country illegally to obtain work to feed my family. The illegality question is meaningless.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 3 months ago
      Since when are the citizens of one country morally or legally obligated to care for the citizens of another country, when the other country hasn't suffered a catastrophe?!? If Mexico wants to maintain a conquistador economy over its people, why do those people have ANY right to invade the US, especially when some of them are talking about reconquista?!? If Mexico won't throw you in jail for entering Mexico illegally, and allow you to live there "undocumented," then there might be something to talk about, especially after NAFTA, but I don't hear that conversation.
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 4 months ago
      So...if there are homeless people ( which there are ) we should all leave our homes unlocked and its ok for them to come in ? That is essentially what you are saying which is 100% anthetical to anything Objectivist that I'm aware of.
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        Posted by cem4881 8 years, 4 months ago
        Not a valid analogy. You OWN your home. Just who OWNs the US?
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 4 months ago
          The current citizens.
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          • Posted by cem4881 8 years, 3 months ago
            So, who decides? As a current citizen, I say let them in.
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            • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
              Then let them into YOUR HOUSE.
              Actually I believe OUR CONSTITUTION and OUR LAWS decide. If you want to STOP being a nation of laws and become a nation merely of men you will quickly descend down the path of every previous nation that did not have and adhere to a Constitution such as ours which protects the rights of its CITIZENS. ( see the current thread about Venezuela ) Neither Illegals nor anyone else is ENTITLED TO ANYTHING. Frankly, if you feel otherwise I think you might be in the wrong place.
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              • Posted by cem4881 8 years, 3 months ago
                I have to comply with laws about who comes into the nation, but I can help change the law when I believe they are wrong. In MY house, I MAKE the law!
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                • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
                  How do you justify a soverign nation not having the right to defend its borders ?
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                  • Posted by cem4881 8 years, 3 months ago
                    Not saying they don't have the right to defend its borders. Just saying they need to be intelligent about it. Trump wants to deport millions. Many of those millions entered here on a work visa, and tried to get legal citizenship. They couldn't and are still working, being good citizens, etc, and hoping for legal citizenship. Millions have families. Trump wants to rip those families apart and deport the ones that don't have citizenship or some piece of paper saying they are legal. Johnson sees those people as being valuable citizens and is doing his best to make them LEGAL. And I want to help. Are the two of us taking illegal action? Are we abusing our right to free speech?
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                    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago
                      Immigration has been a strong force for enriching this country by bringing people who want to make a better life for themselves and their families. We need to continue to encourage immigration. The question is: can we accommodate everyone on the planet who wants to immigrate to the U.S.? If the answer is yes, then get rid of all immigration laws, no H1B visas nothing, if a computer programmer wants to come here for a good job, they are welcome.

                      If we can't take everyone then we have to have some rules. We should not give preference to those who are willing to break our laws in order to get here.
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                        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
                        I agree with every word, but what do we do with the 15 million people who are here illegally while we looked the other way? Trying to bring them to justice, IMHO, is like trying to catch people who for the past decade have been driving 5 over every single day. It was gov't's fault IMHO for looking the other way.. We need never to look the other way again, and we need some system of "amnesty" or whatever we call it to deal with these people who've been living here illegally as a underclass.

                        Maybe the first step is to start enforcing the laws. At the same time we should have a debate or whatever it takes to answer your question, which I would phrase as "can we benefit from everyone who wants to come and help people for money in the US?"
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                        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago
                          I think the "comprehensive solution" is a false answer which people believe means legalize the ones who are here but not fix the underlying problem. This happened during Reagan.

                          There are separate problems which can be solved individually:

                          1. Enforce the border. You can do that as a single issue, unconnected with the existing inhabitants. Do that.

                          2. Improve immigration law. It's really hard to legally immigrate. Make it easier. Of course this will mean more highly skilled immigrants will come who will challenge middle class jobs instead of just low skilled jobs. So be it. This could be done as a separate issue. Do it.

                          Once these two things have been done and there is no longer the threat of gangs and others freely crossing and people have an easier way to come legally, then it will be a lot easier to get a consensus on the existing inhabitants. Don't try for a comprehensive solution. Break it down and solve it one step at a time.
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                          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 3 months ago
                            I agree complete with what you say above.

                            The desire for a "comprehensive solution" is based on our unofficial policy of looking the other way. You're saying let's 1) enforce the law and 2) separately decide what we want the law to be. The trouble is 1 doesn't sound good to people who want more immigration. #2 doesn't sound good to people who want less immigration. So we stick with the bad policy of looking the other way with 15 million people living and operating illegally here.
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                    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
                      You need to get better informed on Johnson's full immigration principles. He does not believe in borders AT ALL. As for those who stayed here illegally after their visas had expired and who you claim tried to gain legal status ( first I've heard of that) does not address their illegal actions.
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                      • Posted by cem4881 8 years, 3 months ago
                        Johnson does want reasonable precautions taken, no criminals and no diseases. It is extremely difficult for me to understand the attacks he has received at the hands of those who love Ayn Rand. You can be sure he will do what he can to reverse the growth of government, to increase liberty and justice. Just who are you voting for?
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                        • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 3 months ago
                          I'm voting for Trump. I want my nation's borders enforced. Weld is also for gun control. While there are a number of libertarian positions that I agree with, I more so am a Constitutionalist as I think that best protects freedom and capitalism. I think Trump will have the best chance to adhere to the. Constitution.
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                        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                          Comments are not always attacks unlless one is trying to enflame the issue. I can't be sure of that nor can anyone ensure that given his public pronouncements Where is the liberty and justice for supporting criminal activity and demanding they receive amnesty? Where's the liberty and justice in being anti Second Amendment and with the addition of suporting criminal action pro citizens of another country to the detriment of ours?

                          Every dollar spent on those criminals, theives, thugs, murders, is a dollar less for our own citizens. Don't try to use the excuse that som are law abiding. If they are illegal they are not. And so are the people in the USA who knowlingly hire them.
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                    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 3 months ago
                      Notice that this pile of shit was created by a government that MADE immigration laws, and then decided NOT to ENFORCE them. Now, we're told that the pile of shit is too big to clean up, so let's just keep doing what made the pile in the first place. Sure sounds like a solution to me (in another world).
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                  No you make the rules for your house in compliance with the laws established by the government who supposedly work for the citizens who own the country and you are completely liable
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 3 months ago
              As with any jointly owned property, decisions on it's use are made by polling the owners based on their share of ownership. This is typically modified by the bylaws or other governing documents of the organization.
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              • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
                Same principles apply to publicly owned land. It's not government owned it belongs to we the people government and our employees in government are just the grounds keepers.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 3 months ago
      Unless you are the US Latino that didn't get that job so he could feed his family. I'm quite sure he or she would consider your comment in the same light.
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