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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 7 months ago
    Why people settle below sea level or in flood plains is beyond me. I live in an area in Florida that for as long as people who keeps records show that its never flooded. Everyone says it is safe. But I look at a map and say, "Atlantic on one side, the Gulf on the other, flood plains abound. I took out flood insurance. Now, its safe.

    As we know, global warming caused by man is the go-to reason for every catastrophe as far as the left is concerned. It doesn't matter what legitimate scientists say, the Algores of the world will always manage to find some pseudo scientist to back them up, even if they have to destroy data to "prove" it.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago
      Its not coming out much, but Europe had a near ice age awhile ago. I think the earth warms and cools in some sort of cyclical fashion due to the huge effect of the sun and maybe some wobbling of the earth's axis. It just seems to me that the real driver of the earth's temperature is the sun, not human activity. I dont have the numbers, but I think the effect of the sun is a LOT bigger than any effect we have
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 7 months ago
        Of course the sun is the biggest factor. Life on this planet exists because of our Sun and its relative stability is the key to all weather on the planet. It's personally rather shocking to me that we don't look at it first. But then of course I'm not an ideologue trying to push an agenda and bilk the governments of the world out of billions of dollars.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 7 months ago
          I can tell you I have a spa cover, my A/C dumps its heat into the spa, and I have solar panels. The only one that overshadows the rest is the solar panel. The sun is HOT
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      • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 7 months ago
        The Earth has been in an ice age for the last million years with intermittent long glaciations and short interglacial warm periods. Nothing near an ice age since it is in an ice age. It's the normal for a long time. History says that glaciation will occur again, perhaps within the next few thousand years. The little ice age was nothing like a glaciation and was far warmer.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 7 months ago
    You mean to tell me that if you live in a state next to the ocean that is basically a big swamp....I might get flooded???!!! I mean I "identify" as a dry person...not a wet one....I think my rights have been violated! I bet George Bush is to blame!
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
      Yep but your kind are responsible for the kangaroo rat and wet lands problem even though ha ha the KR doesn't drink water - at all. I was thinking the other day during a quick rain shower how fat the desert plants responded. Don't tell EPA that they will declare the deserts wetlands and divert water to solve the problem.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 7 months ago
    Oceans? How about the sheer idiocy of building a city and towns on land below sea level that is alongside the gulf of Mexico?
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 7 months ago
      Baton Rouge isn't below sea level, and is inland from the Gulf. This was the Mississippi river overflowing in an area where the land slope is extremely shallow, resulting in an excessively large flood plain. The flood in this case went beyond the 500 year expectation - about a one in ten million chance of occurrence.
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      • Posted by gmcmills 8 years, 7 months ago
        I have lived here in Baton Rouge since 1970. It is not at sea level. My property is at 45 feet elevation as is most of Baton Rouge.The Mississippi River did not flow into Baton Rouge, there is a huge levee built to keep it out. The problem was caused by receiving 20 plus inches of rain in one night's time. This caused the Amite River to flood out its banks and caused backwater flooding which in turn flooded Baton Rouge, Denham Springs, Baker, Zachary , and most of Ascension Parish (county).
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 7 months ago
        Hello DrZarkov99,
        I have wondered about the feasibility of dredging the river deeper so that it might carry more water when needed. If mother nature is always depositing sediment from upstream, isn't it always reducing its capacity. If the Army Corp of engineers did this, wouldn't it be far cheaper as insurance in the future rather than paying disaster relief and far less damaging to the economy?
        Respectfully,
        O.A.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 7 months ago
          As you see from gmcmills post, I had the wrong river as the source of the flooding. Dredging does take place continually throughout the Mississippi river system, including many tributaries, primarily for navigation, so it does handle most significant flow volume changes. The volume in this case of monsoon level rainfall exceeds the ability of the system to drain off the flow, and was more than any recorded previous rainfall. You can't avoid the consequences of every natural disaster.
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 7 months ago
            Ah yes. Still, I wouldn't live there without flood insurance, even if the occurrence is so rare. It is hardly fair to the rest of us, or good for the economy. I am sure some who believe in the broken window fallacy might argue otherwise, but they would be wrong.
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        • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 7 months ago
          Why should I pay the Army Corps of engineers to do anything to ameliorate the situation of someone that lives in a flood prone area?
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 7 months ago
            Hello evlwhtguy,
            I am good with letting those that live in the zone pay for it. They take the risk. They should foot the bill. But, until then, as long as we are forced to pay their salaries, I prefer a better investment that avoids the catastrophic costs.
            Respectfully,
            O.A.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 7 months ago
            If we encourage everyone to abandon all 500 year flood plains, nearly every metropolitan area in the country would have to be closed down and its population moved several hundred miles away from any water source. The term "flood prone" applies to a lot bigger part of the country than you think.
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            • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 7 months ago
              No one is asking them to abandon these "Flood Plains" they just should not be able to have me pay for their risk. Why the hell do I have to fund flood insurance for people who live on a frigging barrier island. I don't get to live on the beach...but I do get to fund the flood insurance for them. The same goes for people who live inland but risk flood. What is even worse, these army corps of engineers projects encourage even more people to put themselves...and by extension me...at risk for loss!
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              • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 7 months ago
                I agree that barrier island occupation should be "at risk". The media doesn't do people in these situations (Baton Rouge) service when they bleat about how most people didn't have flood insurance. The insurance industry (and the government) generally uses the 100 year flood line to determine if flood insurance is needed. Often, flood insurance isn't available when the assessment is that there's no need. The same goes for earthquake insurance, as many in Oklahoma have discovered (the insurance industry has since caught up and begun making earthquake insurance available to okies).

                The government has, at times, refused to offer flood insurance in areas designated as flood hazard zones. People eventually get the message, so we need to press for ending the government support for risky decisions.
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            • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 7 months ago
              Abandoning every 500-year flood plain would be a bit excessive. But take away tax-funded flood insurance, and you can bet at least the 100-year flood zones will get converted into less vulnerable uses. (Such as farms with the farmhouse built above flood level, as the Dutch have done for centuries. This is not rocket science.)
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              • Posted by evlwhtguy 8 years, 7 months ago
                Absolutly...also agree with DrZarkov99. By its actions the army corps of engineers creates these problems. When the build a levy to control flooding, they cause the water to build up up stream. Then people build behind the levee and lo and behold...it breaks! This "do gooding" creates a "Moral Hazard"
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    Will no one save us from these meddling doomsayers. Subjective Science used to tout the global warming scam is no different than any other scam. It al lboils down to money. Yours into their pockets starting with Al Bore. And that's a convenient truth.
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