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Conflating Inventions (Technological Progress) with Capital in Economics

Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 4 months ago to News
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Will Thomas and I gave a talk on Austrian Economics at Atlas Summit 2016, where I pointed out that Austrian Business Cycle Theory (ABCT) does not fit the empirical facts. ABCT claims that increasing savings/capital are the cause of economic growth, which is very similar to what classical and neo-classical economics states. I pointed out that in fact it is increasing levels of technology (inventions) that are the cause of economic growth not increases in capital. One of the questioners after the talk stated that inventions (technology) are part of capital. (Click link for the full article)
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  • Posted by MarcusT 8 years, 4 months ago
    If inventions create capital how is Warren Buffet so rich? Most of the businesses he owns and invests in are finance/insurance related, not technology. That is, financial innovations (like insurance) are responsible for his wealth.

    A far more accurate/correct statement is that "innovations create capital". Inventions are just innovations in technology.
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 4 months ago
      Insurance should be called assurance, thats what it promises, and it preys on people fears.
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      • Posted by MarcusT 8 years, 4 months ago
        Insurance should be called exactly what it is. Insurance is a financial product that makes life easier and more secure for millions of people. "Prey" is not the word I would use for such a beneficent concept.
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        • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 4 months ago
          Please, all insurance works on people's fear, and insecurity, of what MAY happen tomorrow. In that way, and I do have insurance people in my extended family, they prey on people fears by selling them security (assurance). Every time a family member moves into selling insurance I get to have a sit down so they can hone their pitch.
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          • Posted by MarcusT 8 years, 4 months ago
            AJAshinoff,

            Easy question, do you or your family have health insurance, yes or no?

            Second question: If one of your family members suddenly got hit in a car crash or came down with cancer, how "assured" would you feel with them not having it?

            Yeah, I'll take the insurance.

            Back on topic? Oh yes, inventions and capital...
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            • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 4 months ago
              I'm not vilifying insurance or insurance agents. I'm merely pointing on the nature of the business (racket). And, you clearly illustrate the point I was trying to make asking the questions you have. Fear sells.
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              • Posted by MarcusT 8 years, 4 months ago
                Reality sells.
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                • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 4 months ago
                  and the reality is the sales tool of quelling fear in this instance. Reality itself does not sell anything, only those who figure out how to use specific perceptions of reality to pull money from others sells.

                  Anyhow, whoever invented (figured out) how to use fear to sell assurance (piece of mind) did generate a boatload of capital, enough to drive many economies for many centuries.
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 4 months ago
                    Amen just match up 'Ford, Chrysler, and GMC. The reality is GMC should be a parted out part of history but the real reality is the subjective choice of the government to put the nation in debt in exchange for a few votes and much campaign contributions. Now if that isn't subjective fairy tail land what is? Well.. It's reality and part of the study of anyone whose objective.

                    PS Since I'm helping to pay for GMC survival when's my Hummer going to be delivered?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 4 months ago
    From a business standpoint, it is inventions that sell that causes economic prosperity. And, it doesn't always matter how good the invention is An example is Beta-Max. Superior in every way to the VCR, Sony foolishly didn't allow other manufacturers to produce or market it under franchise. The competition merely out-manufactured and distributed Sony's ability to keep up. No matter how great the invention, it matters not, if people don't buy it. But that's one of the beauties of capitalism. When an invention succeeds, everyone prospers, from Wall Street to Madison Avenue, to manufacturers and distributors, and, of course, the inventor. As to the discussion, I would think that invention doesn't become capital until it becomes merchandise.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 4 months ago
    Nice article, Dale. While some capital is necessary for the invention to occur, invention creates the new capital and is the cause of economic growth. An optimal situation happens when the capitalist and the inventor work synergistically, as Morgan and Edison did for a while.
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 4 months ago
      think of it this way. In order to catch more fish, I spend time to create a net that can catch many fish. Now, the net becomes capital. I have not yet traded with anyone
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      • Posted by Maritimus 8 years, 4 months ago
        Hello K,
        Nice to "meet" with you again.
        The way I see it, you came up with the idea of a better net, invested your life time and money to procure the necessary cordage for the net, both comprising the value of invested capital, and thus enabled yourself to profit from the higher volume of sales from caught fish.
        Visualizing the whole scheme ahead of time is what entrepreneurs do.
        What say you?
        Stay well.
        Maritimus
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  • Posted by Maritimus 8 years, 4 months ago
    Hello, DBH,
    It occurred to me that the debate about innovation versus capital primacy has a generous similarity to the debate about which comes first, the chicken or the egg.
    Both technological innovation and capital are necessary for creation of wealth and economic development. Would you agree?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      Interestingly we know the answer. It was the egg. There were eggs (lizards) long before there were chickens.

      Every animal lives in the Malthusian Trap except for short periods after a positive genetic change. Thus humans also lived in the Malthusian Trap (edge of starvation) most of their history. If you are living on the edge of starvation there is no surplus (capital) to be stored. The only way to create an excess is to invent something. So inventions are what create the excess (capital), capital does not create inventions. Capital is inanimate and cannot create something that requires reason. Getting cause and effect right is very important in science.
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 4 months ago
    Obviously, improved technology leads to economic growth, provided that it increases productively ceteres paribus. A prime example is the computer revolution of the 1990s when even Alan Greenspan was slow to realize what was driving economic expansion. However, in giving away one's technological advantage, such as to China, the USA violated the economic principle that: in trade each country benefits when it produces what it does best. Some people will argue that it allows Americans to buy goods at lower prices. This is misleading because saving a few dollars a week at Wal-Mart does not make up for the fact that many Americans are trading $20/hr manufacturing jobs for $10/hr jobs at Amazon or UPS delivering goods now made in low wage countries. The proof is in the fabulous wealth accumulated by the Red Chinese regime being employed to build modern military equipment as rapidly as possible. Beyond economics, the geopolitical balance of the world has been altered through the greed and short-sightedness of politicians and the business elite. And, by increasing taxes, POTUS and his gang have sucked money out of the hands of producers to be redistributed to incompetent cronies, Solyndra, for one example,. High taxes also discourage entrepreneurs: why should one risk their life savings to start a machine shop if the taxman is going to take half of the profits? It is easier and far less stressful to get a job at the post office with a steady paycheck and good benefits. This "risk of business" is never addressed by POTUS, who prefers the canard "You didn't build that." [$5Au apologizes for the rant.]
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 4 months ago
    How do many inventions and much technology come about other than with savings and investment which are lent to those who produce and create capital goods and in your field, the hope for a patentable product which will at least return the investment. The reason that the current low interest rates are the cause of slowing economy is that funds do not lend out well for little return and tend to flee to non- productive havens of safety. You have to keep printing money to keep it going. Trump would probably say that the foreign countries have all the capital in balance of payment funds and that they have stolen our money. Well, the people in the village a mile and a half from my village have a balance of payments problem with my village because we spend our money in their village and they do not return it by shopping at the crappy places in my village. When You spend your money you do not own it any longer. If you want it back you have to offer something of value. My village does not.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 4 months ago
    This is that senseless "intellectual property theory of value" rearing its ugly head again. Gulchers should know better.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 4 months ago
      Yes they should - Mr. Mystic of Muscle
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 4 months ago
        reference for the Gulch: from Galt's Speech, "Atlas Shrugged":

        As products of the split between man’s soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter—the enslavement of man’s body, in spirit—the destruction of his mind.

        The good, say the mystics of spirit, is God, a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man’s power to conceive—a definition that invalidates man’s consciousness and nullifies his concepts of existence. The good, say the mystics of muscle, is Society—a thing which they define as an organism that possesses no physical form, a super-being embodied in no one in particular and everyone in general except yourself. Man’s mind, say the mystics of spirit, must be subordinated to the will of God. Man’s mind, say the mystics of muscle, must be subordinated to the will of Society. Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man’s power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith. Man’s standard of value, say the mystics of muscle, is the pleasure of Society, whose standards are beyond man’s right of judgment and must be obeyed as a primary absolute. The purpose of man’s life, say both, is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question. His reward, say the mystics of spirit, will be given to him beyond the grave. His reward, say the mystics of muscle, will be given on earth—to his great-grandchildren.

        Selfishness—say both—is man’s evil. Man’s good—say both—is to give up his personal desires, to deny himself, renounce himself, surrender; man’s good is to negate the life he lives. Sacrifice—cry both—is the essence of morality, the highest virtue within man’s reach.
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 4 months ago
      this is an ahole comment. I guess you could back it up with some thoughtful commentary-but you don't choose to. I think gulchers know what they have in your comments.
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