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    Posted by shivas 10 years, 8 months ago
    Anyone that still believes that this is a phony scandal is in on it. Reportedly a member of Congress has requested Lois Lerner's email from the NSA.

    In my opinion, the misuse of the IRS is by far the most serious of the series of travesties of justice by the Obama administration. Using agencies of the government to subvert the opposition certainly rises to felony level for all involved. Unfortunately there is little legitimate investigative journalism in the government sponsored media. This is a consequence of allowing the left control of journalism education.
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    • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 8 months ago
      +1

      Thank you.

      The failure of the Fifth Estate could have been offset by an aggressive opposition party.

      Why this has not become a Congressional investigation that sticks, could be because we need the midterms to get the foundation to make it happen.

      I see a new vision coming soon....
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    Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago
    No one will ever get punished or fired, nothing will change for the better, the IRS will become worse. They simply have no fear of the citizenry or their Congress.
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
      Because most people are unaware that government workers have their on union. Government workers don’t answer to us. It’s a conflict of interest. It’s time for a little union-busting if we really want to change how DC does it’s job.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
        While the gov't unions are a problem, they aren't the heart of this problem. It is the belief that gov't can solve all problems. And these morons join gov't specifically because they want to "help their fellow Americans." If I hear/read that again from some noxious HS grad, I think I'm going to puke.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago
        It's not so much the union's influence as it is the natural inclination of those in government to hold up the image of the institutions. Most, in power actually fear admitting that they've found a real problem or in the case of Congress, that they really have no power or influence to affect the wrongdoings of the government's employees.

        It's far easier to concentrate our attention on a person, like Lerner, that it is to consider losing their prestige and appearance of influence.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
      their goal is to make us numb. we are now numb. nothing surprises. We stand aside and do nothing.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
        What is there to do?
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        • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
          Leave. organize groups of people to protest at first the state level and then organize groups to go to the capitol. Go find the money that will back your organization. Look for that money from prominent businesspeople and professionals (such as doctors) in your community. Run for state legislature. or...leave
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          • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
            1) I'm not willing to give up, not yet, anyway.
            2) I wish I were in a position to do so, regardless of whether I would do so.
            3) I was contemplating challenging the sitting congressman until he announced he was going to retire. After 32 yrs in congress, that announcement brought out way too many other politicians with access to far more money than I could garner. And I don't have the option of not working for 6 months to campaign. There's a mortgage to pay and kids college bills to pay.
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            • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago
              There are hard decisions to make. I know, I have made some, including withdrawing financial assistance from my kids. We live in deeply troubling times. You could find the time to organize groups of individuals working toward common goals. getting behind a candidate, laying out fundamental arguments and going over them to activate others. It starts with a phone list. I bet you have at least three lists with phone numbers of members of something or for something laying around your house. Get small groups together for coffee and lay out key issues you want to effect change in. It will be exhausting
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  • Posted by nicktheitguy 10 years, 8 months ago
    As a network admin, I call B.S. on losing only her emails and having everyone else's after a hard drive crash. Email is stored on the server in mail stores, not individual mail files. If they are backing up the mail stores (common practice), the data is on a backup somewhere. You can pick and choose individual mail files to back up out of the mail stores, but due to the quantity of mail files the gov't would be dealing with, they would not back up each individual mail file on separate backups...just the stores (or they would do all the mail files in one backup, so they could restore individual mail files) . If a drive crashed with the backup on it, it would be hundreds, if not thousands of lost users mail files. Not to mention, any good admin would have designed the system to handle losing a drive without losing the data...and with the size and scope of their systems...you know this is the case.

    Also, they have the option of journaling the data (and with all the requirements they give businesses in the financial and other industries, you can be darn sure they should and probably are journaling the data), which sends a copy over to an archive as the user sends mail and before they get copies of their mail. That way, if the user deletes the data, a copy is still retained for legal purposes.

    This is such a load of horse manure, it is unbelievable. Lyin', thievin' bastards.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 8 months ago
      Yup. And if this really is the case, they are violating their own laws requiring the backup and recovery of emails relating to financial matters for three years.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 8 months ago
    Nope. Fucking fuckers!!!!! Then where's the punishment for losing evidence???
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    • Posted by ewv 10 years, 8 months ago
      You know where the punishment is when a tax agency (state or IRS) accuses an ordinary citizen of something. Tax agencies are legally allowed to hound their victims, unconstrained by the most basic civil rights otherwise supported for the most vicious accused criminal. The tax agency makes up what it wants under the guise of "reasonable estimate" and heaps abusive demands on the victim, disrupting his life and draining his resources. There is no objectivity or justice at all. Evidence that supports the victim is ignored when it doesn't help the government in its zealotry to "make a case", the agency refuses to submit to the discovery process to determine its true motives and does not reveal exactly what the victim is accused of or why, and the burden is on the victim to prove his innocence. This kind of unlimited abuse routinely practiced by tax agencies combined with their increasing politicization is one of the leading manifestations of totalitarian behavior in this country.
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      • Posted by JCLanier 10 years, 8 months ago
        Absolutely! Very well said.
        I totally agree.
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        • Posted by ewv 10 years, 8 months ago
          The way these agencies are allowed on principle to operate with sweeping powers of arbitrary discretion regarding their targets as guilty until proven innocent (which they make impossible in accordance with their whims) is a very serious problem, but no one seems to be addressing it. There is currently some attention on the IRS for its abuse of organizations applying for non-profit status. But there is no recognition that this has been going on for years and becoming worse against all kinds of people perpetrated by state agencies as well as the IRS pursuing political and personal vendettas against helpless victims in state-sponsored shake downs and bullying with no where for the victim to turn.

          In the late 1990s the Roth hearings led to some reform of the IRS but never addressed the fundamental principles that taxpayers must be protected by the Bill of Rights. Everyone seems to assume that arbitrary power is somehow required for tax agencies and we can trust them to behave. That kind of extra constitutional tyranny has got to be stopped, but no one seems to care and no one is speaking out about it. This is a very dangerous trend.
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    • Posted by ewv 10 years, 8 months ago
      According to these articles it is highly unlikely that the IRS "lost" two years of records, and Lois Lerner was required by law to securely keep paper records of her emails.

      IRS Rules Say Lerner Was Required to Keep Printed Copies of Those Supposedly ‘Lost’ Emails http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/...

      Veteran IT Professional Gives Six Reasons Why the IRS’ Claim That It ‘Lost’ Two Years of Lois Lerner’s Emails Is ‘Simply Not Feasible’ http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/...
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      • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 8 months ago
        thank you, ewv, for these -- the stonewalling has
        developed into more blatant lying. these people
        must be removed from our employ. we are the
        customers, by shit!!! -- j

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        • Posted by ewv 10 years, 8 months ago
          Here is another good article on this topic:

          http://www.nationalreview.com/article/38...

          June 15, 2014 6:45 PM
          The Dog Ate My E-Mails, for Two Years
          IT experts and the IRS’s own manual note that backups of Lerner’s e-mails must exist.
          By John Fund

          Two excerpts:

          "In March of this year, John Koskinen, the new IRS commissioner, testified before Congress that all the e-mails of IRS employees are “stored in servers.” The agency’s own manual specifies that it “provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.” The reason is simple. It is well known in legal and IT circles that failure to preserve e-mails can lead to a court ruling of “spoliation of evidence.” That means a judge or jury is then instructed to treat deletions as if they were deliberate destruction of incriminating evidence."


          "Why is the loss of the Lerner e-mails particularly important? Last year’s report by the IRS inspector general set out a timeline of the IRS’s targeting of conservative groups. A full 16 of the 26 non-redacted events in the inspector general’s timeline took place during the period for which all of Lerner’s e-mails were “lost,” and these 16 instances refer to “e-mail” as the source for information on that event. As tax expert Alan Joel points out, much of the context about how the IRS scandal developed and who may have known about it is now “lost” in the black hole the Lerner e-mails are supposed to have been sucked into."

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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 8 months ago
    SURE there was a computer crash!
    SURE the IRS accidentally lost those specifically requested emails!
    SURE Lerner took the Fifth because she has nothing to hide!
    SURE! SURE! SURE!
    And you can surely bet that the IRS has not lost any tax information on all of us.
    And never ever will . . .
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 10 years, 8 months ago
    The technology to recover data from a crashed HD has been available for 20-30 years.The only way to completely erase a HD is to bathe it in sulfuric acid. I hope Congress has this knowledge and the cojones to demand the HDs be sent to them for data retrieval.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 10 years, 8 months ago
    If this were a corporation by law all emails would be archived to an email server. I would bet that the IRS has the same system. The "computer crash" is a red herring. The person who gave that excuse needs to be called on the carpet before congress.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 10 years, 8 months ago
    I can't help but recall all the training I received in the corporate world about the use and misuse of e-mails in the workplace. You can never completely delete an e-mail. And they get away with it.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 8 months ago
    Yeah, and I've got a beautiful building I can sell you. Its called the Taj Mahal. The regime's lies have become so blatant that they couldn't get a 10 year old to believe them. What is even sadder, is the fact that they think the average citizen is stupid enough to buy it. Good grief, I hope they aren't right. But then, he did get elected for a 2nd term.
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  • Posted by iroseland 10 years, 8 months ago
    Last I checked if someone lost that much email in a company under SOX jail time would be on option. Seems like someone at the IRS should be forced to eat their own dog food.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 8 months ago
    if reasonable people controlled congress, they could
    abolish the IRS and establish an across-the-board
    postcard tax return -- 3% of the money which you
    have left after you pay for family security from the
    feds!!! -- j

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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 8 months ago
    Gee, I thought the NSA had out Googled Google in keeping "metadata", and they don't have them? Any one remember the Clinton defence? "I don't recall" Now it's "I don't know what the server did with it".As soon as we wake up and give up on the need for overwhelming mounds of evidence when it is clear based on known facts someone has lied, cheated or stole, and punish for real, then things would change. But it keeps sliding in the other direction to where you can kill someone on video and just say "That wasn't me" and get off. No wonder AR invented the Gulch, reality sucks.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 8 months ago
    This has to be the stupidest of administrations. I can’t decide whether they chose today to make this announcement because everyone was focused on other issues or if they hoped this would be a distraction from those other issues.

    IRS scandal..got it. Lois Lerner lost all her e-mails to all the people outside of her department. Unbelievable. Pass the popcorn. I’m just waiting for Bagdad to fall.
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  • Posted by starguy 10 years, 8 months ago
    Lois Lerner needs to be in jail.
    Dear Leader needs to be impeached.

    When will enough be enough?
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 8 months ago
      Well...when the real men put on their big boy pants and say it's enough and stop pussy footing around And do something. Or when America wakes the hell up and demands they take accountability and consequences. Not holding my breath on either account. Ps ... impeachment is child's play. Clinton was impeached and it made zero difference.
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  • Posted by Zero 10 years, 8 months ago
    From AP story today 17JUN14:

    "The IRS said Friday that technicians went to great lengths trying to recover data from Lerner's computer in 2011. In emails provided by the IRS, technicians said they sent the computer to a forensic lab run by the agency's criminal investigations unit. But to no avail."

    Forensic lab couldn't recover data off hard drive crash?

    If it was child porn or state secrets they'd find it. What's magic about e-mails. It is virtually impossible to remove data from a hard drive once written.

    Last I heard the most secret gov't drives are sand blasted.
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