Patents = Wealth

Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 5 months ago to Economics
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How Strong Patents Make Wealthy Nations is an excellent paper that provides overwhelming evidence that patents create economic wealth.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 5 months ago
    Hello DB,
    If I invent some major time saver in my machine shop without the ability to protect it, I will not disseminate it, period. Why would anyone give up their competitive advantage without incentive to do so? I have "tricks of the trade" of my own. I have survived while most of my competitors have evaporated. Nothing in this world is perfect, but I see no better alternative. The products of my mind are mine; end of story.

    I only wish I had an invention that would appeal to the mass market. You can bet the first call I would make, would be to a patent attorney.
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    If patents and copyrights are not strongly held, then what is the incentive for the creating of new products? We revert to the ancient practice of keeping things secret and not sharing innovation.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 5 months ago
      There is nothing that a patent protects without filing a law suit. A patent, only through the use of government force (law), allows the government to exclude others from certain actions with respect to an invention. It only is applicable in the country where granted, so does not protect from those outside the country from producing and selling the invention which will be only prohibited from being sold in the country where the patent was issued. It does not permit anything like selling the invention which remains free for the patent owner to do.
      People continue to invent things regardless of the sometimes difficulty and cost of getting a patent and depend on the patent pending provision to keep others out of exploiting the invention for a period of time. A patent requires the public disclosure of all details about the invention and can not be as strong as trade secrets to keep another from copying the invention exactly especially if the invention involves some publicly unknown processes.
      If wealth of an individual is related to the amount of property that can be created and or gained by the individual, then patents, which tend to keep prices high, will possibly decrease the possible wealth due to the lack of competition in producing the patented invention.
      As for copyrights, best to not publicly publish the invented prose since anyone who reads it will have reproduced it as a copy withing his brain. That is what a copyright gives a person by prohibiting a copying of a work without permission: just the prohibition of that mental copy never to be related to others without getting permission from the owner of the copyright. History shows that most works are done regardless as to whether a government will protect the work or not, just as the those on this blog show that there is more to creativity than a possible monetary return. All of this stuff here is protected regardless as to whether a copyright is indicated. Most people will only get upset if they are misquoted or not given credit for the quote.
      Copyrights have completely gotten out of hand with their extension long past the lifetime of the author and long past any reasonable (a weasel word) payment for time and pain involved.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
        There is nothing that title to land protects without a lawsuit.

        Yes, it is only good in the country granted and that is absurd.

        THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS "People continue to invent things regardless of the sometimes difficulty and cost of getting a patent and depend on the patent pending provision to keep others out of exploiting the invention for a period of time."
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        • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 5 months ago
          Sure, people invent all kinds of things without having some monetary wish for their efforts. Many improvements are made just to improve something that has a patent knowing that the improvement will not gain a patent topping that of the original patented thing. The patent holder can refuse to use the improvement.
          Did you ever see objects with patent pending on them for years with no patent having been granted. Most inventions by individuals, not paid for by a company, are due to seeing a problem and doing something about it. I sometimes invent mathematical objects just for the fun of it. Some individuals who work for businesses create inventions because it is part of their job descriptions and not because they expect a patent and to get wealthy from the effort. Academics do it all the time in order to get credited in published papers. Very little of the invention without the wealth incentive is done for altruistic reasons, but for the pleasure of solving a problem and possibly to get a job done with the invention.
          I would say that those who invent little obvious things like an extra slit in cardboard and then patent it so that anyone who wants to sell something with that so called invention has to pay a royalty for each sale enforced by the heavy hand of government, are pretty much moochers.
          Do you write books just because you think you might get rich from their sales? Only a few authors can do that and the rest do not have a chance of getting back a profitable return on their time. Some like the pulp writers just wrote and collected a few cents a word and never became wealthy. Writing should be to pleasure the writer and secondly for any pleasure of the reader or the changing of opinions or furtherance of knowledge, etc. Writing can clarify ones own ideas and perhaps point to new directions in ones thought. I would guess that most writing is done without ever having a copyright being registered in the name of the writer, but rather in the name of the one who hired the writer.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
            Really then why is north korea or the middle east not full of inventors and great inventions.

            If you can't read please stay off the post.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 5 months ago
              I thought you would get pissed and start shouting. There is a huge difference between a dictatorship without liberty and a constitutional representative republic. Quite a bit of freedom is needed to have the conditions necessary for the free thought necessary to invent. So you believe that the reason for great inventions is the coercive hand of government. In fact patent law has kept improvements of many things from happening except in personal use cases. I have read that a famous case was the steam locomotive which languished without improvements for 70 years because of patents. In my field of mathematics and chemistry, I have found that, as in the Soviet Union where excellent mathematics and chemistry was done as long as there was liberty to do so, it was done but not always necessarily ordered by the state. One physicist whose work I like finally was able to emigrate to the USA in the 70s or 80s. In Russia he was only permitted to write encyclopedia articles but that did not stop him from doing his own thinking. In the US he was able to write his books and do physics and math with whatever his contract with a university allowed and other work on his own time.
              As for that stay off the post crap, you are showing the true believer stuff that shows up now and then, or maybe you are just saying that you would not have me reply to any of your future posts? Which is it? I hope you do not have the authority to have posters removed from this blog. If galtsgulchonline.com is you blog let me know and I will kindly retreat to other matters.
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  • Posted by Ed75 8 years, 5 months ago
    Patents protect property. Property that is protected is the source of personal wealth. Incentive to produce beyond one's immediate needs requires that the producer owns what he produces and has the liberty to do what he wishes with excess production. The present system is not perfect but far better than any where else.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
    I am uncertain on this because I think ideas are the main source of wealth in our post-industrial economy, BUT I also know uncommercialized ideas are a dime a dozen. The value, it seems, is in commercializing them. When I think about the companies generating value in our times, the FANG (Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Google) companies, it looks like they're winning b/c of brilliant execution and trade secrets. If they are winning by patenting technology or buying/licensing patents, I don't hear about it. Maybe b/c execs have a reason to blow their own horn, and there's no one with a similar incentive to promote the role of patents. Do you know if patents play an unsung role in these companies' success?
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      1st of all great uncommercialized ideas are not a dime a dozen, 2nd of all you need property rights to justify spending the money to commercialize (disseminate).
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
        "all great uncommercialized ideas are not a dime a dozen"
        Yes. Ideas certainly are cheap, but those may not be great ones.
        " you need property rights to justify spending the money to commercialize"
        And it now occurs to me that researching new inventions and commercializing them are part of the same ecosystem. When a business puts effort into inventing something, it calculates in the chance that someone else may commercialize it and license the technology from you. When you license someone else's technology, you feel like you're doing the real work, but you wouldn't be doing it without the invention and the the inventor wouldn't have invented it without the chance you'd license it.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
          But, if one looks at the WRight brothers, one can see that their love for patents drove them into bankruptcy and death, while Curtis advanced the art of manned flight many times more than the Wrights did and won out in the end.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 5 months ago
            " the WRight brothers, one can see that their love for patents drove them into bankruptcy and death"
            I had not heard about this case. Was seeing royalties on the patents just a bad business decision, not the faults of patents as a concept? Couldn't they have enforced the patents they could, accepted not being able to enforce the patents on Curtis' work, and focused on developing new technology that they could patent and enforce? (I don't know the answer. This is the first I'd heard of it. It would be interesting to read a book on it.)
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
              netflix documentary on it is pretty good. I think the wrights and curtis should have recognized the way the system worked, and stopped fighting and joined together to free all of them from the government patent system and get on with life. They all would have made more money and had a better life if they had done that. As I understand it, Curtis actually proposed that, but the wrights wouldnt do it.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
            Actually look into the facts. The Wright brothers created all sorts of value and Curtis was just a thief.
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
              god documentary on netflix on this. My point is that the wrights wasted their lives on trying to enforce patents to prevent curtis from making improvements the wrights didnt come up with.

              Curtis and wrights should have gotten together and made something really good. Curtis' innovations are the ones we still use today, which were allowed really only after wright's patents ran out.
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              • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
                Curtis should have paid for the invention that he wanted to steal.
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                • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
                  as I understand it, he had separate ailerons, whereas wright just twisted the wings. I agree that given the system, they should have gotten together, which, s I understand it curtis wanted to do , but wrights said no.
                  My point really was that the patent system actually worked to prevent innovation in the end, while draining the wrights of their money and curtis of his time.
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
                    Inch deep. The Wright brothers were well aware and their patent covered and described ailerons - so Curtis was just a two-bit thief who wanted to steal other people's property
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                    • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
                      In the end, the wrights spend their money on defending their patent in our not so efficient government system and finally won, but WW2 cancelled out patents, and after that the time period was up. Then the two companies joined together into Curtis-wright corporation.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
    patents simply prevent people from making and doing things that someone else has paid the system to protect them. These days, it has little to do with protecting intellectual property. Patent trolls are just in a racket.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
      You do not understand property rights or economics nor can you read.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
        I can read just fine. I object to the use of patents to stifle innovation, which I think they do. STrikes me as cronyism where for a certain period of time (arbitrary), you get a monopoly even if you a patent troll and just want to stifle other people from making money on things that THEY invent on their own.
        I understand your point about inventors not wanting to invest money if others can just copy what they do. Just not so sure patents are the way to deal with that problem. Seems like there are unintended consequences with the patent system that stifle innovation more than protect it.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 5 months ago
          You make blanket statements without any evidence (except for the BS made up by Austrians) and then you ignore the evidence presented. Quite polluting the post.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 5 months ago
            I understand that you have strong feelings about patents, being in that business. My point is that its not a very efficient system at protecting intellectual property rights. The net result is not the promotion of commerce, but the stifling of it and innovation. Particularly in the current situation with patent trolls who attempt to patent everything just to gain some monopoly advantages. I am not ignoring evidence, but in my humble experience, these results are pretty easy to see.
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  • Posted by Lucky 8 years, 5 months ago
    The Hartline and Madigan paper and Halling's 'Patents=Wealth' do not prove that strong patents make wealth, but the evidence is strong. I am reminded of the concept of the efficiency frontier- with a given level of technology it is possible to vary and trade economic variables, but the lowest total cost is on a curve called the efficiency frontier. Only a change in technology can shift that curve down.
    Well there is always luck I suppose, but if you are investing money or time, research is surer than crossing fingers.
    Now, can better technology and inventions come without protecting the property of achievement that goes into the effort? The answer is a clear yes, but there again, the evidence is that financial incentive is better than the other methods (medals, torture, acclaim, appeals to the common good, love of invention, ..). For example Soviet science made a number of significant advances. There is scope here for a paper comparing breakthroughs and inventions in different legal regimes.

    (The words strong and strength are used, I think the meaning is clear enough for the purpose)
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