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Some will applaud Netanyahu's statement -- might you?

Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 6 months ago to News
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I understand and appreciate this leader's views;;;
what do you think? -- john
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
    I agree with him. In the middle he said "radical Islam makes no distinction between shades of infidel." True. Even if they did and they said they only wanted to murder people in certain groups, groups I'm not a part of, they'd still be every bit as evil.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 6 months ago
      ISIS will not only kill any of us for not being a Muslim, they have been killing Muslims for not being their kind of Muslims.
      The term "carpet bombing" just popped into old dino's head. Now I'm thinking bringing back napalm may not be a bad idea.
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    • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
      You are correct. "Fight and slay the infidels!" It couldn't be any clearer.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
        Absolutely. And Obama wants to let in syrian refugees !!! Forget that. As much as people hate Trump, he is right about not letting in the muslims until we can figure out which of them are dangerous. I say they either disavow the "kill the infidels" part of the religion they believe in OR they can stay in Syria and not needlessly threaten us. We dont need to be "humanitarian" towards people who profess to kill us because we arent muslin.
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        • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
          Agreed. Islam is pan-Arab-ism in religious dress. Furthermore, the United States, in the Muslim eye, is the Byzantine Empire.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
            WE should deal in our own defense here, and let the arabs ride the oil thing until they go back to their dark cold tents. In the meantime, we develop alternative energies and be free of them. Islam used to be an advanced culture, but they lost it somewhere
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            • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
              Islam never was an advanced culture. They were copycats. Whatever they had, they stole from the Jews, then the Christian West.

              Now I don't suggest going to war for loot and plunder, i.e., oil. We'd be no better than they if we did that. But I'm not sure I want to sit around and give them time to develop, or steal, an intercontinental ballistic missile with Multiple Independently-targetable Re-entry Vehicles riding in its tip.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
                I was reading that compared with the european dark ages, islam was advanced at least over them.
                your argument about letting them develop new weapons is to be taken seriously. However, I wonder just how much these statist societies could really develop. Russia is being kept alive by the western countries buying energy from it. China by the stuff the world buys from them. etc
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                • Posted by libertylad 8 years, 6 months ago
                  Rose Wilder Lane wrote about that history in Discovery of Freedom. Excellent and inspiring book for anyone who loves liberty. Published the same year as The Fountainhead and Isabel Patterson's God of the Machine.
                  https://mises.org/library/discovery-f...
                  Comment from http://fee.org:
                  "Free of the authoritarianism that prevailed in Europe’s Dark Ages, Muslims advanced the sciences and applied new technologies. They developed the vital mathematical concepts of zero and spherical trigonometry, and put them to work in architecture and navigation. While Europeans were blaming disease on demons, the Muslims of the tenth century, notes Lane, “were using the entire American medical pharmacopeia of today.” Imad-ad-Dean Ahmad documents the fact that ninth-century Baghdad had 60 drugstores. No Food and Drug Administration stood in the way of medical progress. Surgeons unlicensed by any government performed effective operations with local anesthesia."
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                • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
                  Whether they develop it or steal it, once they have it, they hold the world to ransom. I quote Rand: "[A free society] has the [absolute] right to invade...any...slave pen."

                  Did the West fall into a Dark Age? Yes. But the Byzantine Empire lived on. The Baghdad Caliphate looted the technology of the Byzantine Empire--and, to a lesser extent, the Jews. And when they erased the Byzantine Empire, they had nowhere else to loot from. And, of course, they failed in their bid to conquer the West. Charles "The Hammer" Martel kept them out of France, and then Ferdinand and Isabella, before they would finance an Italian seafarer named Christopher Colon, kicked them out of Spain.
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                  • Posted by libertylad 8 years, 6 months ago
                    Would you say that the US looted the technology of Hitler's German empire to develop the space program?
                    I am not an apologist for modern Islam; I have no affinity for it, but in the past there is evidence that Islam was not the dictaorship of evil that we are schooled that it is today.
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                    • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
                      I don't know what you're reading. First, as to the Nazis, I would say everything they developed, belonged to the victors by right of counter-conquest--because they tried to conquer the world and the world conquered them instead. As for Islam: on the day of the Manhattan-Washington Incident, I checked three authoritative translations of the Koran for the English word F-I-G-H-T. And I found it. I found it liberally sprinkled in the text. I also learned about the Abrogation Principle, by which the verse most recently written takes precedence in any conflict. By the Abrogation Principle, the Fighting Words of the Koran take precedence over the Peaceful Words.
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                  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
                    Islam is definitely expansionary and intolerant of living in peace. I didnt realize they had stolen so much from other cultures. Thanks for the lesson
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                    • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 6 months ago
                      Look at it this way: the Muslims regard us as we might regard an extraterrestrial expeditionary force--one bent on conquest, not trade.
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                      • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
                        The USA has indeed acted like a honey badger- just doesnt give a shit and does what it wants. We have been bad about that. BUT, the islamists want to kill all non believers. Who is worse. We both kill innocent people, just we call it war
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 6 months ago
    Netanyahu is a very cogent and articulate speaker, and he of all world leaders knows about the dangers of Islam. It's just a shame that so few take him seriously.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
    Except for the religious reference, which is to be expected, Prime Minister Netanyahu is perfectly on the money. Contrast that with Obamas speech, which was nothing more that an excuse to do a stump speech.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
    I get ticked off at people calling ISIS Radical. they are NOT radical at all. They are fundamentalists practicing ISLAM as it is written and practiced since about 680 AD.

    This is why they kill other Muslims. The so-called "passive" Muslims are NOT practicing Islam as it is written. they are backsliding Muslims. I am not speaking from a position of hate but of fact, not of opinion but as one who has read the Qur'an and its Surahs.

    And before you compare Christianity to Islam, and the Old Testament to the New Testament, there is NOTHING in the New Testament that tells its followers to go out and kill non-Christians. But to preach and proselytize, and God will sort out good from bad in his time, and his followers will not have to do anything.

    To the contrary The Qur'an throughout preaches as these verses do.

    Terry Kamps Jr. "Educate The World About The True Intent of Islam by Reading The Koran Day”, see these Koran Quotes Koran
    Koran Surahs:
    Koran 2:191 “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
    Koran 3:28 “Moslems must not take the infidels as friends.”
    Koran 3:85 “Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable.”
    Koran 5:33 “Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticize Islam.”
    Koran 8:12 “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an.”
    Koran 8:60 “Moslems must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
    Koran 8:65 “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Moslems to fight them.”
    Koran 9:5 “When opportunity arises kill the infidels wherever you catch them.”
    Koran 9:29 “Fight those people of the Book (Jews and Christians) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not refrain from what has been prohibited by Allah and His Rasool and do not embrace the religion of truth (Islam), until they pay the Halal Certification Tax (protection tax or jizya) with their own hands and feel themselves subdued.”
    Koran 9:30 “The Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them.”
    Koran 9:123 “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
    Koran 22:19 “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies.”

    Again this is not hate, but showing that the "radicals" are actually just practicing their religion as written.

    Sun Tsu: "Know your enemy and know yourself and you will be victorious."

    People who do not recognize reality will never win, because they do not understand the mindset of the enemy.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      Nor that tells Christians to kill other Christians. One of the few differences perhaps between International and National Socialism. Hitler and crony's claimed Christianity more often than not. Lenin and cronies rejected all religions.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
        Ironically senseless killing is not the sole claim of religion, but more of a seriously flawed ideology. Socialism and Communism being devoid of religion has a flawed ideology that is at the root of massive horrors.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Not all killing is senseless nor proscribed by religion. The Christian Relgion bans in it's basic ten rules "Thou Shalt Not Commit Murder." The word killing is not part of that sentence and another part of their Book states "God reserves to the people the right to kill in defense ....and another long list.." The verb use is accurate the list is not except for defense. Another I suppose religious version of a false socialist definition
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          • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
            I am glad you used the correct translation of that. You are indeed 100% correct. "Thou shalt not kill, is properly translated "Thou shall not Murder"

            Not many people are actually aware of that nor willing to actually use the original hebrew.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              Hebrew prior to that Aramaic prior to that some local tribal dialect no doubt.

              Hebrew after that Greek Classical, Latin and the main root languages which make up English - Germanic, Latin, and several others.

              One of my Uncles a retired Dentist and Missionary did a study and determined he was shocked the different books stayed as intact in meaning as they seem to have done even when watered down with the 'missing books which are not missing' but watered down more so by the development of English as the worlds major sponge language along with it's companion loss of purity in what little exactness it did have.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 6 months ago
        Claims are not facts...Hitler can claim all he wants that did not make it fact. So you have Atheists, killing far more people than Christians, I am referring to your Lenin reference and the deaths brought about by Socialists and Communists all of which are conveniently devoid of religion and promote the absence thereof.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
          Nazi or Communist same thing with very slight differences. Both Fascist Socialist and both left wing despite the false definitions of the left to the contrary. And that includes religious fascists.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
            Well it's a FACT that Islam is for killing anyone that doesn't do their bidding. It's a FACT That they kill in massive numbers their own people It's a FACT that they kill without mercy and in horribly barbaric ways women and children. Christians have done the same thing I would suggest all but one possibly two have done the same thing of the monothestic religions so excuse me if I don't get all weepy eyed for Islam because it fails to have a religious religion with a God and all that as the what is the prerequisite for slaughtering and feel no compunctions at providing the fly swatter technique to control what is nothing more than flys bothering my picnic.

            I prescribe the same treatment for any brand of fly and give them zero excuse be they secular or religious or whatever and do not excuse in the present the actions of the past. The past is not my responsibility. The present is my responsibility.

            Should they wish to slaughter each other no problem but I would move to remove those not of a lemming religion that find themselves in their way.

            Immigrants from Islam? When their are any number of non islamics being denied sanctuary? You got to be kidding me. Allow the importation of flies to my picnic when their human beings who should be sitting at my table? Physician heal thyself.

            This administration has a lot to answer for and they are not invited to my picnic nor are their pestilent friends.

            My prescription is solve the problem at home and swat our own flies. Religious or Secular.

            And while we're at it get rid of the draft laws. They are in place precisely to assist our own flies.

            The ante to counter that is 24 plus as cannon fodder and not in the GD pentagon.

            For those who have gone through this before I apologize for having to swat a few flies it's an ongoing operation. If you got a bit lost the genesis is in the discussion on capital punishment. One does not execute expecting change. One executes to remove a serious enough threat to society that is prone to continue being a threat or shown to have a predilection or penchant for such activity. One does not excuse them nor try to retrain, etc etc etc.nor bother with caging them or even remove some physical characteristic such as by spraying although that does work where population control of flies is concerned. One simply decides that society having decided flies are worthy of execution for the crime of bothering picnics and other antisocial behavior to swat them.

            I don't care about flies in Afghanistan or Syria. But I do feel compassion for humans being likewise bothered and would spend the time and money to secure for them a fly free picnic and disease free safe spot somewhere in the world more hospitable with a good supply of Black Flag or H24. I'm not so sure the USA is a safe spot these days what with it's heavily overtaxed entry fee and not much to offer these days in exchange.

            As for the rest I and I wager you cannot recall the name of the last fly I executed at the behest of social convention and my own good common sense. Nor could I imagine stopping to let that bit of information or lack thereof become a concern.

            The Bahai's, Christians, Druze, and others in Syria for example being denied entry to sanctuary (USA) while flies (Islamics) are being allowed in and not vetted properly goes beyond the pale.Include any other beleaguered category religious or secular except those who are other forms of flies. National or International in their socialist fly suits. Who gets in? The flies the picknickers are denied entry and left to an Islamic slaughter house.

            Whose worse? Islamics or those that support them Why here's a group of the latter ...running for office again.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 6 months ago
    i hope the gay community learns the same lesson the worldwide jewish community learned in WWII...you must arm and defend yourself...
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
      I personally think that UNLESS a muslim who accepts their bible's (KURAN??) tenet to kill all infidels renounces that passage, they should not be allowed to come to the USA. Why allow killers to live next to you? Particularly refugees.
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      • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 6 months ago
        i guess neither you or i are politically correct...
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
          politcal correctness is DEAD. One thing Trump did was show us that the truth winds out over political correctness. And if you happen to be wrong in your thinking, speaking it out and discussing it is the best way to expose errors anyway. Now I speak whats on my mind (doesnt mean I have to act on everything I might think), but its refreshing to just be ME and not censor myself...
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
      Yes, but in a sane way.
      One of the problems with the LGBT crowd is certain flamers making fools of themselves in gay pride parades and other venues. Personally, when I see such antics, I don't feel that a person such as that should have a gun. They might treat it like a toy.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
    I think he makes a false distinction between so called "radical islamists" and "other islamists who keep quiet". The only real distinction is that the "radical" ones go out and actually kill infidels, while the "other islamists" stand on the sidelines and let the radical ones do the killing for them.

    Its built into islam to kill the non-believers, and UNTIL muslims disavow this tenet of their religion, I really dont see a big difference between any of them intellectually.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
      "The makes a false distinction between so called "radical islamists" and "other islamists who keep quiet".
      Islamists by definition do not keep quiet. The very word means believing that a literal interpretation of religion should be the basis for everyone's life and gov't. That's a radical claim. So radical Islam is the same thing as Islamism.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
        I agree. I wish our "leaders" would say that. Perhaps they cant read the islamist "bible", or maybe they have other agendas
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
          "Perhaps they cant read the islamist "bible",
          I don't think there is an Islamist Bible. Sometimes I think a Pope-like figure (a Caliph?) would force Isalmists to admit they're not following Islam, but I think what they admit doesn't matter. I think they'll fail under the weight of their own bad ideas.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 6 months ago
            they are still in the "might makes right" world of the
            seventh century, it seems to me. . the only defense
            would appear to be stronger might in the interval
            before rationality sets in. . like the patriot missile
            system or the shotgun next to your bed, peace through
            strength makes sense. . so, we need to do some
            serious defensive force invention -- especially for
            our citizens abroad. . and our allies. . like israel. -- j
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
              "they are still in the "might makes right" world"
              I hear what you're saying, but I don't think displays of force and new weapons are necessary. Shotguns and handguns are mature technologies and good things to have handy in any situation.
              People generally don't risk their lives to get into a seventh-century world. Medieval life sucks. So I don't see extremists as a huge complicated problem.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
            I think they call it something like the Kuran (spellng?) In there it says to kill infidels. Right out there in black and white.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 6 months ago
              This is what extremists and their allies focus on. It almost feels like extremists contact their allies in the West and say, "We can't have people wanting to learn science, make iPhones and medical devices, and live examined lives. So here's the message: Religions are about the medieval stuff in ancient texts. Please say that in your language and accent. Say that you want people to throw out that sacred religious book their grandmother gave them as a child b/c it talks about weird stuff like hearing voices telling them to kill their kids. What was wrong with your filicidal grandmother, anyway!? We'll translate it into our languages."
              I don't really imagine extremists coaching you, but if they want to stay in charge and the basis of their authority is obstructing Enlightenment values, this is the exact line of crap they should use. It's transparent manipulation, but it probably seems like serious information to someone educated mostly in a non-secular madrasa.
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              • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
                I am not saying they HAVE to get rid of their bible, or sections of it. BUT if they want to come over here and live next to me, I would require that. They can stay in their own lands and I will agree never to soil their homeland by visiting.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
    I am tired of hearing politicians use tragedy to take away rights.
    I am tired of hearing politicians talk about their empathy for victims of crime while making it impossible for individuals to defend themselves against criminals.
    I am tired of hearing politicians use criminal acts to excuse invasion of countries and war crimes on innocent civilians.
    Netanyahu's remarks are politically motivated.
    Some are valid, but giving more power to the state is not the answer.
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    • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 6 months ago
      I agree with you first 3 sentences. I think politically
      Motivated as a description of his remarks are open- ended and suggests a negative connotation.
      I also didn't take away any loss of freedom from his remarks. Should he have commented? I would say yes. Has his country been under constant attack from radical Islam? Yes. Should Israel exist in former British Palestine? ask the Rothschilds
      The worst evil scum in the history of the world.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
        Netanyahu wants more support for Israel and he is using the killings in Orlando to try to get it. His comments support the neocons' attack on individual liberty and privacy and they will send more US$ to Israel.
        The loss of freedom comes when laws are passed here that take away our constitutional rights in order to wage undeclared war on the middle east (and elsewhere) mostly peaceful Muslim population which coincidentally was the purpose of Netanyahu's comments.
        We have seen it many times before. Whipping up public support for unforgivable acts of war by governments who are supposed to be peaceful..
        Its politics. War is waged instead of pursuing more effective solutions. Our liberty is destroyed and the productive middle class are converted to serfs while fortunes are made from war.
        Worst evil scum in the history of the world.
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        • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 6 months ago
          I agree that the scenario you laid out re: loss of freedom and so forth from terror incidents. Our public servants have no trouble throwing more and more restrictions on us.

          They don't need Netanyahu to prompt them.
          In fact my take is Obama hates Isreal he hates their productivity and as we know from his stand point
          all success is credited to someone else not the achiever.

          I would think he Benjamin N was ineffective as a leader if he didn't want support for his nation.

          We have spent the last 7+ years shunning our allies.

          During Netanyahu's comments I did not get the sense that he was doing anything but describing Islamic radicalism and their hate of all that is not them. Something our commander in chief refuses to do.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
          Then, you don't believe in self-defense? Because if you think that ISIS and others are merely local Middle East monsters, you are being delusional. Of course Netanyahu wants to gin up forces of war against the jihadists. With Israel, it's not a theoretical problem, but life or death on a daily basis. Islam has been a force for evil from its inception. It preys upon the ignorance of their people with promises or paradise in the afterlife. They suppress their women to the status of slaves. Women in general, if free to express themselves are the innately greatest force for peace because of their very nature. Islam was invented as a war philosophy disguised as a religion.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
            No, Herb, of course I believe in self defense. Going to war is not the same thing as self defense. Defense is the action of defending from or resisting attack. I agree with one prominent (otherwise repugnant) presidential candidate on restricting immigration, and that is a most important step. That door has been left open for far too long and NATO should do the same thing. Slam the door shut. We should also lower the probability of success for an attacker who gets past immigration. Repealing restrictive gun laws be a good start toward that. Put a real embargo on countries that don't make progress against the terrorist factions. Stop trading with the enemy. Starve them. Stop wasting money and lives in Afghanistan unless a rational plan for VICTORY is employed. If its really war then declare war and end it as quickly as possible.
            Ending the war is not the goal of the statists, so they will not do what is needed.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
              Defending from or even attacking some is, as Tom Clancy wrote a matter of degrees. War is armed robbery writ large. Mugging is a mini war writ small.

              The only difference, sometimes, is enemies domestic and enemies foreign began their criminal careers in different segments of the world with a different out look than the rest of us AND are treated in two different ways. As bona fide citizens and as bona fide foreigners is the first instance of differences. The second instance is wearing a uniform of a recognized foreign power or not.

              Wearing a uniform such as gang banger clothes burkas does not impart any special treatment it is the bona fide membership and allegiance to the recognized foreign power AND the uniform which allows possible treatment under certain conventions and rules of warfare and the lack of such membership regardless of apparel that requires treatment in a different legal manner. Cartel or mafia 'soldiers' for example. Weathermen such as Ayers is another.

              Clear and present dangers such as the Jihadists, the cartel dopers, internal traitors, and violators of the Constitution may be able to trade on their special status and often do. A professorship at a university or as an elected official are two examples,

              Introducing or seeking to introduce a Weapon of Mass Destruction such as...heroin - the act and the intent - can be a civil crime regardless of citizen status or an international crime the act of a uniformed employee of a recognized foreign government.

              US military are subjected to intensive training in Geneva Convention, Laws of Land Warfare, Status of Forces Agreements, Rules of Engagement and other training. Then find out some are wink and grin and disregard laws. The laws on human traffic one clear and blatant example.The behind the scenes training given by dedicated officers, non-commissioned is which can and should be ignored (some), which cannot be ignored (some), to what extent our country will back it's troops in given situations if participating comes to light (no extent.)

              The junior enlisted and lower ranks of officers, non-commission and commissioned can expect to be abandoned. The senior grades swept under a rug. Better than most we are not perfect. A recent movie detailed on instance of that which is not uncommon. An instance all too familiar to among others police officers find themselves. The answer is protect each other because the senior people and the government and the people do NOT care.

              Are there extenuating circumstances? Certainly. As an uneducated semi literate in the home county language but fluent in Nahuatl seeking a better condition in life and one whose sole concern is their family I might look upon them more favorably than a soldier but both are members of an invasion force. Even though both are often coerced.

              But at the same time not look favorably on members of our own government who aid and abet that invasion or transport of weaons of mass destruction.

              Whose more the criminal? The indio from Yucatan or the immigration official and justice department official who routinely put both of the offenders back on the street? Or the senior officials who set that policy? Or the citizens that elect those senior officials?

              I submit that those at senior levels who sanction or demand certain actions are just as guilty as the cartel, the jihad, the home grown terrorist including the street corner banger as the actual doer. I care not that their criminal act was misprision or 'under color of office.' Such as the former and present Attorney Generals and especially those who act perform these acts in a racist, sexist, or bigoted manner.

              Are neophytes such as Trump going to grant blanket amnesty and pardons for those that carry out their popular and in demand orders? Perhaps the Donald will do a Obeyme tap dance and excuse all participants in some action deemed necessary. if we expect citizens to back executive actions we should be willing to support them in that expectation and not turn progressive when the NY Times and Washington Post start the inevitable witch hunt.

              Think about it;. Huffington isn't after Bush she's after you. To her it's a chance to retrain your thinking and weaken your resolve. She doesn't care the hue and cry about WMD in Iraq was specious she only cares to destroy those who are expected, at a critical moment, to look the other way.

              Think about it.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 6 months ago
                Michael thanks for your summation of the clear and present danger groups and those complicite of the evil criminal acts. Included with are the media , education, AG and neophyte elected officials. They seem to weave in and out of these acts. What seems to be a well orchestrated attack
                on the individual, the producer, the innovator, the protectors ,the true capitalists.

                I ask you this. How can this not be a conspiracy?
                Is all of this madness just happenstance, just a coincidence ( all of these groups working in concert to eliminate freedom)?
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
                  it cannot not be a group effort. You will notice how many corporates spend time as academics and both spend time in government appointed offices. "Althouogh the founding fathers of modern day socialism refer to the three branches ad business leaders, government leaders and labor leaders I refer to them as corporate statists or statis corpororatists primarily. Think of them as a penny farthing bicycle. The large wheel is statist/corporatist/labor. The smaller wheel is corporatist /statist/labor. The kick stand are the major labor leaders. Rarely seen in business circles and business circles at least openly they sometimes act in academic circles. Robert Reich is one example.

                  The former Secretary of Treasury from Goldman Sachs not only engineered the Mexican Tesorobono bailout by raiding Railroad Retirement Funds and Social Security funds he did so full well knowing behind his blind trust fund managers knew about his connection with Goldman Sachs as a still paid employ, as a stock holder, and 'Goldman Sachs major position in the Mexican funds collapse. They basically refused to pay since the previous leaders had stolen all the funds. The sick part this bailout was done openly in full view of an uncaring media and uncaring public. The dude made millions at taxpayer expense.His personal wealth and thast of GS made millions and multi millions.

                  This latest scam was very patrotic thinking of three corner or tricorn hats. One corner was Senator Dodds, Rep. Francks and others and the US Appointed managers of Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac. All millionaires and unlike Wrangel paid their taxes and went on with life happy. The third corner leaving housing bubble scams behind was/is agricorps/powercorps and the ethanol scam. with some auto industry in their reaping the lions share of benefits. the third corner was banking as big big banks got rid of seemingly hundreds of very small banks thorugh government edict changes in their retired operting procedures.
                  Conspiracy? Only in that it was the largest theft of taxpayer funds ever engineered and did not included military production for once. Conspiracy.? It was right out in the open and cast as patriotic.

                  Conspiracy? Hillary made hay while the sun shined brightly her opponent Donny Boy the same using the rules available to big business while his employees especially in the trades unions paid through the nose in devalued money.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
          This is absolute drivel! Nowhere in Netanyahu's speech did he even suggest support for Israel. Frankly I'm amazed that the ties between Israel and the U.S. remain strong, given our relative at arms length "even handed" stance regards Israel and its enemies.

          Truman recognized Israel, but then provided no aid in their desperate struggle to survive in the first days of their nation's existence. The only American President to actually provide real aid in time of need to Israel was Nixon. We've sold aircraft to Israel, but only when we were providing the same support to their enemies (Saudi Arabia).
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 6 months ago
            Fine, you take him at face value and I read between the lines. Israel survives partly because of support from the fedgov and from American Jews. Netanyahu is a politician. You say its drivel. I think you are naive to accept it at face value. We disagree.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
            When the UN Vote was taken there were two forms of Yes.One with recognition and one without but both favoring partition or maybe the other way around. I"m trying to track that down. Which ever I recall the US took the easy way out. Stand byi....
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 6 months ago
      I agree with you, but he didn't ask for power. He asked for people to stand together.
      Taken at face value, this is exactly what we need to do to eliminate the fear this threat feeds on as its lifeblood. This by the actions of people, not governments.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
      Very true. But Israel is sensitive to the point of paranoia. Every day they are sprayed with rockets or attacked. Our recent tragedy is almost commonplace with them. I really think that if they were left to themselves without the fear of dissolution, government power would fade away like an often washed cheap bedsheet.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      On the other hand those who eschew his remarks seem to have based comments on the debate phenomena known as ' on mans baloney is another mans sausage is another mans hot dog.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 6 months ago
    For some reason I dont understand, Jews were totally hated in Europe, culminating in their partial extinction . After the war, they were basically told to leave all parts of Eurpope and they wound up taking refuge under English rule in the 'holy lands". They were just installed in what were Arab lands, and hated there for that too. The jews basically took root and refused to leave those 'holy lands' because they had no where else to go. That was like 50 years ago or more now. But they are still persecuted by the Arabs. I am sure he knows how the LGBT community feels.

    He is also right that its "infidels" who are the target of islam, not just jews or gay people.

    I dont know what to think about the motivation behind his statements. I always wonder about politicans' agendas though.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
      His motivation is simple. He knows that under Obama Israel will get as little as possible that BHO can get away with. His speech was directly to USA people. His motive was to get the general populace of the USA on his side so that they remain allies. Israel cannot afford to play war games. It's life or death and they must be strong enough to have Iran and others know they are capable of taking everyone down with them. With the USA as an ally, hopefully, that can be avoided. Not, however with Obama, and likely Mrs. Clinkton as president.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 6 months ago
      Historically, the hatred of Jews in Europe stemmed from the fact that Jews in the middle ages insisted on segregating themselves in ghettos where only Jewish law applied. In other words, they were unwilling to assimilate and be citizens of any of the countries that they lived in, because of their self-image as a nation in exile who would someday recapture Israel. (They were exiled after the Romans defeated the Zealots of Masada in AD 79.)

      Modern hatred toward Jews appears to me to be nothing more than envy of their success at capitalism.

      The so-called Palestinian point of view is only possible for someone who doesn't know history or religion at all. Arabs have been trying to "ethnically cleanse" the countries they occupy (and any others they can conquer) since Islam was founded in the 7th Century. The Crusades were defensive in nature. It was Muslims, not Communists, who invented the idea that "peace is defined as the condition that will exist after we own the world", and Islam encourages them to lie to, cheat, and murder non-Muslims whenever expedient. Islam is not so much a religion as a political movement of and for total barbarians, and it and its proclaimed followers deserve zero respect. Indeed, they will probably force their opponents to exterminate them before there can ever be peace in the Middle East.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 6 months ago
    I admire Netanyahu as much as I do NOT admire Obama.Obama has said he is Muslim, has said he will always stand with Islam, has filled his cabinet with Muslims, even Muslim Brotherhood members!
    I have sat in class with Muslim men in college, the only woman. Why, because they discriminate against women and will not share classes with them. , They don't allow them to drive, require them to cover their heads, abuse them with no reprisal. If they can treat family like this, then their acts toward the LGBT community are just part of their game. Netanyaho understands and speaks out against what our president will never speak out against.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 6 months ago
    I also appreciate his words. I put on the rainbow face on my FaceBook page because it was a way to show my support to the victims of this awful tragedy. I cannot believe Obummer is not doing more against the terrorist attacks in our own country.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 8 years, 6 months ago
    This is what a leader sounds like. God I wish that America had a leader such as this. Instead we have a Muslim panty waste, that inspires less respect than the worms on the ocean floor feeding on whale feces
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 6 months ago
    It is ironic that our President tells us we should be letting even more Muslim "refugees" come to our country, while at the same time his own CIA director tells us that ISIS will be sending their terrorist plants hidden in the mass of refugees. This administration is completely incoherent regarding effective response to terrorism, other than to admonish Americans and demand more gun control.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 6 months ago
    "Whoever kills a person [unjustly]…it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qur’an, 5:32)

    The "unjustly" part is critical. Few kill unjustly. The Jewish Bible and Christian Bible urges death for homosexuals. So does the Koran. To those who "go by the book" such killings are just. While I agree with Bibi here, he misses that his own book of faith demands he should kill gays. To not do so is to go against the holy book. Therein lies the problem with those who claim to follow their holy books, they cannot follow them 100% because virtually all people realize these books are seriously flawed, so they pick and choose what to read and believe.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 6 months ago
      Bibi knows, as do most Jews that the bible was written by relative primitives thousands of years ago. If one were to follow it with specificity, there'd be a lot of oxen roasting on front lawns. Religious people who are even moderately intelligent realize that the bible, old, new, and in between are not to be followed to a T. That is one of the differences Jews and Christians have from Muslims. To them, death and destruction are more important than life and construction.
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      • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 6 months ago
        In general, I think you are correct. Christians have the evangelicals and others (Jehovah’s Witnesses, for one example) who do believe in the inerrancy of the bible and the Jews have their share of Torah inerrancy folks. As to them, their loyalty seems to be god, country, family — in that order. They would kill homosexuals, etc, as biblical commandments in the sincere belief the killings were “just.” The same as the jihadists. They are no doubt of moderate intelligence, but unable to overcome the psychological issue of cognative dissonance.

        Take a look at these short videos.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y807I...
        and Pastor Kevin Swanson
        November 6, 2015
        National Religious Liberties Conference, Des Moines, IA
        Where Cruz was also a speaker.

        Swanson called for murder for homosexuals, citing the Bible, Lev. 20:13 and suggested ways to killing them under the law. Here is a video of him doing so
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgZU6...
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 6 months ago
    I agree with him. Crazy, hypocritical, coward = terrorists.

    Perhaps motivated to increase sympathy for Israel by identifying a common enemy.

    On the other hand, the media makes the death of 50 people by a crazy person into a tragedy more present in people's minds than real issues, and worse causes people to be afraid, rather than angry. If we behaved with the simple wisdom of social animals, acts like this would be resolved by dismemberment 20 minutes before the police arrived...e.g. the train car in France. Rather we behave like lemmings, die like lemmings and support the strategy of our enemies with our fear.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 6 months ago
      What, pray tell, are "real issues" if the death of 50 people doesn't count as one? I wonder about your set of priorities.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 6 months ago
        In the US on average over 7,000 people die every day, about 100 people die in car accidents every day. These 50 people are important and to be respected, but they represent 0.7% of a single day's deaths, 0.002% of a years' deaths, or 0.15% of the deaths in cars in a year.

        The actions of the media whip people into a fear frenzy, akin to fear of flying, when one's chances of dying this way is very low. Scared people make poor, subjective decisions, like trying to take away the freedoms of others, however irrelevant it is to the fear.

        My priorities are clear and objective. The death of 50 people my a madman does not prompt me to immediate action other than some sadness anger and a renewed interest in an LtC (which I will obtain when I get to NH), because it is statistically trivial, and no one has proposed a reasonable action remotely capable of controlling the event.

        Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

        My set of priorities? For the place I live:
        My family and children
        Freedom
        Correcting the deficit
        Limiting government powers
        Reinvigorating industry and the economy
        ...
        Keeping Hillary out of power
        ...
        Maintaining military strength
        ...
        Continuing to play soccer
        Having a fast car
        ...x10
        doing something about this event

        Where does action in this "issue" show up in your priorities, and what do you plan to do about it?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
    Mayans the other side of the world ... The one on the east side was due to the Tower of Babel. When the resulting fall produced a lot of curiously rap like sound Someone said That's a lot of sxxt and someone else said. You can't say that some might be offended. They allythought a moment and said 'crap!' and those afflicted were enduring a form of talking in tongues known as the crapture. Sounded a lot better but but wiser heads prevaiilded and said, babble then it will also mean political speech.

    The city cheered and scattered to the four winds and spread the word. From now on it's PC for political crap.

    But how will we tell it from any other form of speech?

    Simple it's a three part dis harmony be the happening of boring bass runs, even more boring drum licks and straight up fesces but use the four letter version.

    OK runs, licks and frijoles.

    Whcih makes iperfect sense to Tejanos.

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    It was a whole lot of nothing! Hit it Jerry Lee!
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 6 months ago
    all he is doing is basically letting the rest of the western developed world know that they are welcoming the way of life that Israel has been living for the past 6000 years. the answer is to carpet bomb the middle east with a-bombs and then round up all of the muslims and deposit them back in the desert. eliminate the problem once and for all.
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  • Posted by Trevoraki 8 years, 6 months ago
    More fear-mongering in the hope of persuading you to follow his tribe and their baloney
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    • Posted by Esceptico 8 years, 6 months ago
      The Establishment is good at fear-mongering. Also in spending taxpayers money on what will pay the contribitors to their re-election so they can continue the eternal cycle of war for profit and power.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 6 months ago
      If you shoot properly there are a. no names left to take nor b. anyone in a position to refute your version of events. It's hard very hard to to challenge an eye witness whose eyes have ceased to function.
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