Edward Snowden's Galt-like Interview
Posted by jneilschulman 10 years, 10 months ago to News
J. Neil Schulman @jneilschulman 37s
The poltroons at Fox News -- excepting @Judgenap -- are betrayers of the Bill of Rights incapable of judging a patriot like Edward Snowden.
J. Neil Schulman @jneilschulman 3m
Watching Brian Williams' interview with Edward Snowden was like watching a real-life John Galt -- and John Kerry is Wesley Mouch.
J. Neil Schulman @jneilschulman 6m
Brian Williams' interview shows Edward Snowden more of a real patriot -- more guts, more considered humility -- than any Fox News poltroon.
The poltroons at Fox News -- excepting @Judgenap -- are betrayers of the Bill of Rights incapable of judging a patriot like Edward Snowden.
J. Neil Schulman @jneilschulman 3m
Watching Brian Williams' interview with Edward Snowden was like watching a real-life John Galt -- and John Kerry is Wesley Mouch.
J. Neil Schulman @jneilschulman 6m
Brian Williams' interview shows Edward Snowden more of a real patriot -- more guts, more considered humility -- than any Fox News poltroon.
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Here is a critical excerpt:
"... we've been subjected to all sorts of NSA word games. And the word 'collect' has a very special definition, according to the Department of Defense (DoD). A 1982 procedures manual (page 15) says: 'information shall be considered as 'collected' only when it has been received for use by an employee of a DoD intelligence component in the course of his official duties.' And 'data acquired by electronic means is 'collected' only when it has been processed into intelligible form.'"
"Director of National Intelligence James Clapper likened the NSA's accumulation of data to a library. All those books are stored on the shelves, but very few are actually read. 'So the task for us in the interest of preserving security and preserving civil liberties and privacy,' says Clapper, 'is to be as precise as we possibly can be when we go in that library and look for the books that we need to open up and actually read.' Only when an individual book is read does it count as 'collection,' in government parlance."
"So, think of that friend of yours who has thousands of books in his house. According to the NSA, he's not actually 'collecting' books. He's doing something else with them, and the only books he can claim to have 'collected' are the ones he's actually read."
"This is why Clapper claims -- to this day -- that he didn't lie in a Senate hearing when he replied 'no' to this question: 'Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?'"
"If the NSA collects -- I'm using the everyday definition of the word here -- all of the contents of everyone's e-mail, it doesn't count it as being collected in NSA terms until someone reads it. And if it collects -- I'm sorry, but that's really the correct word -- everyone's phone records or location information and stores it in an enormous database, that doesn't count as being collected -- NSA definition -- until someone looks at it. If the agency uses computers to search those emails for keywords, or correlates that location information for relationships between people, it doesn't count as collection, either. Only when those computers spit out a particular person has the data -- in NSA terms -- actually been collected."
"...we've been repeatedly assured by government officials that it's 'only metadata.' This might fool the average person, but it shouldn't fool those of us in the security field. Metadata equals surveillance data, and collecting metadata on people means putting them under surveillance."
"... Imagine that you hired a private detective to eavesdrop on a subject. That detective would plant a bug in that subject's home, office, and car. He would eavesdrop on his computer. He would listen in on that subject's conversations, both face to face and remotely, and you would get a report on what was said in those conversations. (This is what President Obama repeatedly reassures us isn't happening with our phone calls. But am I the only one who finds it suspicious that he always uses very specific words? 'The NSA is not listening in on your phone calls.' This leaves open the possibility that the NSA is recording, transcribing, and analyzing your phone calls -- and very occasionally reading them. This is far more likely to be true, and something a pedantically minded president could claim he wasn't lying about.)"
"Now imagine that you asked that same private detective to put a subject under constant surveillance. You would get a different report, one that included things like where he went, what he did, who he spoke to -- and for how long -- who he wrote to, what he read, and what he purchased. This is all metadata, data we know the NSA is collecting. So when the president says that it's only metadata, what you should really hear is that we're all under constant and ubiquitous surveillance."
"What's missing from much of the discussion about the NSA's activities is what they're doing with all of this surveillance data. The newspapers focus on what's being collected, not on how it's being analyzed -- with the singular exception of the Washington Post story on cell phone location collection. By their nature, cell phones are tracking devices. For a network to connect calls, it needs to know which cell the phone is located in. In an urban area, this narrows a phone's location to a few blocks. GPS data, transmitted across the network by far too many apps, locates a phone even more precisely. Collecting this data in bulk, which is what the NSA does, effectively puts everyone under physical surveillance."
"This is new. Police could always tail a suspect, but now they can tail everyone -- suspect or not. And once they're able to do that, they can perform analyses that weren't otherwise possible...."
In other words, they are trying to dance around the fact that "metadata" is collection of a _kind_ of surveillance data, not non-data or "not collected".
Scheier's blogs, articles and lectures on this topic are invaluable. He can explain what is happening because he is a true expert (and author of the classic technical tomb Applied Crytography). Whatever his personal politics and whether or not you agree with all his recommendations, he has extreme intelligence, insights, objectivity, honesty and integrity. He also has a very good basic approach in recognizing the kinds of things that NSA _should_ be doing as well as what it should not. He's not just going after the agency by 'making a case' through any means possible the way you expect lawyers and politicians to demagog it.
NSA is doing things and is capable of doing things that most people couldn't imagine. The extent of this scandal and its Constitutional implications are staggering, far more than what most people seem to realize.
Should Edward Snowden be treated as a whistle-blower? I believe he should, as he was pointing out clearly illegal activity on the part of the US Government.
This has been reported over the last year if you know where to look, but for the latest condensation watch the recent PBS Frontline two-part, three hour documentary "United States of Secrets".
The truth of the matter might not come out until we change the party that has the President. One could file a FOIA request, but they'll just shout "national security" and stop all process.
But the way these agencies try to illegally hide information is legendary, ranging from refusing to return the certified mail return-receipt in order to dodge the fact that they received a request (a Federal agency is allowed to handle the receipt itself rather than have the post office do it), to denials in a response to you accompanied by the agency's rewriting of the FOIA law on their own behalf, to outright denials of documents they (and you) know they have. I have seen it all. In one instance they denied the existence of a document which I already had a part of from a leak and was trying to get the rest of. Sometimes these battles over a single request can go on for years with all kinds of chicanery, as been recently illustrated by Mark Levin's Landmark Legal Foundation and others over the EPA and IRS.
I have some sympathy for Snowden. Imagine the dilemma he must have faced; what law should he abide by? The one some bureaucrats established or the highest law of the land, the Constitution? We need a better system for justice through our Supreme Court. Any law that so flagrantly violates the Constitution should exonerate anyone who violates it in favor of the Constitution. Sure he broke the law. Occasionally laws are found to be unconstitutional and therefore unlawful. Are they not? “The law is a ass.” Dickens. I believe, unfortunately at this time, with this administration, it is doubtful that Snowden could get a fair hearing. For crying out loud, the guy who put out the video that didn't cause the Benghazi attack is still in a halfway house serving out the remainder of his sentence... So far our government has not produced one example of someone being harmed by what he released, though it is clear that the rights of millions of Americans have been violated. The government breaks laws with impunity routinely, yet no one is held to account. Snowden points this out and some want his head. If the government can do what Snowden has shown, and you were in his place, what chance would you expect for justice?
Is it Galt like? I don’t know. Perhaps it is more Ragnar like…
Respectfully,
O.A.
I'll have to see much more, before I'm convinced that he did anything good for this country and consider him anything like J.G.
So the "laws" thatr Edward Snowden admits to "violating" are repugnant to the Constituion, therefore void ab initio -- and the rest of your ranting accusation is apologies for despotism. Whatever you are you have never read Ayn Rand with comprehension.
President Bush should never have signed into law "The Patriot Act" especially since Obama has changed it to really tie the hands of the American people...
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
The people making war on the US are those people in the government who knew this was going on - they should be tried for Treason.
Every soldier who fought under Washington, etc... yes! They were all traitors to the British crown. I don't see where Snowden is looking to start his own country, though. And the last time anyone tried seceding from *this* country, 600,000 men died.
http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/242...
DEPRIVATION OF RIGHTS UNDER COLOR OF LAW
Summary:
Section 242 of Title 18 makes it a crime for a person acting under color of any law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States.
For the purpose of Section 242, acts under "color of law" include acts not only done by federal, state, or local officials within the their lawful authority, but also acts done beyond the bounds of that official's lawful authority, if the acts are done while the official is purporting to or pretending to act in the performance of his/her official duties. Persons acting under color of law within the meaning of this statute include police officers, prisons guards and other law enforcement officials, as well as judges, care providers in public health facilities, and others who are acting as public officials. It is not necessary that the crime be motivated by animus toward the race, color, religion, sex, handicap, familial status or national origin of the victim.
The offense is punishable by a range of imprisonment up to a life term, or the death penalty, depending upon the circumstances of the crime, and the resulting injury, if any.
TITLE 18, U.S.C., SECTION 242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, ... shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnaping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
And the way to determine whether or not Section 242 of Title 18 is by trying Snowden. But, we can't do that, because he ran off to hide among our enemies.
I still don't know what information he had, and now our enemies have, that was not revealed by the media.
Technial correction?
U.S. code doesn't "correct" the Constitution. We are a republic, for God's sake. The only way to "correct" the Constitution (something I regard as impossible, myself) would be to amend it.
Why are you on this site? No Objectivist basis his decisions on "the greater good" of on altruism or high purpose or social redemption.
I think what Snowden did was in his rational self interest, which aligns with my rational self interest in the US government having to follow the 4th amendment. Since you are talking about consequences, why aren't you talking about everyone in the military and intelligence agencies that knew this was going on. They should all be tried for treason. Snowden should not.
In case you hadn't noticed, non-Objectivists other than myself also participate here. Are you looking for an echo chamber?
It is in my rational self-interest to prevent the U.S. government from violating my 4th Amendment rights. It is against my rational self-interest for a fellow citizen to run to my country's enemies with secretive information which could aid *them* in both spying on me, and preventing my government from spying on them.
If we're going to try government employees for treason, I guess we'll have to try Clinton, Bush, Jr, and every U.S. soldier who put on the blue U.N. armband and/or helmet... except for Michael New.
Ragnar is not John Galt.
It was Roark's building to blow up. He wasn't paid for it.
Dangey Taggart is not John Galt.