Romney might vote Libertarian, and that’s a good thing
Mitt Romney is considering voting for the Libertarian ticket in November:
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20...
This is good news, because if Romney is taking a closer look at the LP, many others in the “mainstream” wing of the Republican Party are probably looking also. Despite substantial policy differences between the two parties, the LP's political positions and principles may have more appeal to many Republican voters than those of a Trump-led GOP.
As the most viable alternative to both Hillary and Trump, the LP can expect to attract rising interest and support this year from across the political spectrum. Without changing who we are and what we stand for, those of us who are LP members should welcome these new supporters and strive to give them good reasons to vote for us through many elections to come.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/20...
This is good news, because if Romney is taking a closer look at the LP, many others in the “mainstream” wing of the Republican Party are probably looking also. Despite substantial policy differences between the two parties, the LP's political positions and principles may have more appeal to many Republican voters than those of a Trump-led GOP.
As the most viable alternative to both Hillary and Trump, the LP can expect to attract rising interest and support this year from across the political spectrum. Without changing who we are and what we stand for, those of us who are LP members should welcome these new supporters and strive to give them good reasons to vote for us through many elections to come.
On a positive note, there were several people at the outdoor concert I attended on Saturday evening getting people to sign a petition to get Johnson on the ballot here.
The negative side was they were advertising him as an Independent. I challenged the fellow who got me to sign as to why they weren't calling him a Libertarian. He said they feared that many conservatives hear only "Liberal" when they hear Libertarian. We have a huge hill to climb in educating the masses.
I do wish Johnson came off as less of a goofball. He's not the best messenger, but he is the best choice we have this year.
Gaining prominent open minded conservatives is key to changing the course of the ship of state.
It’s worth noting that neither Johnson nor Weld is “in control” of the LP – they are simply the party’s nominees for the top of the ticket this time around. The LP can deal with a threat from outside forces if and when it arrives. In the meantime LP members and non-members alike can enjoy the extraordinary opportunity that this year’s election has opened up.
Who knows, the last time MA went anywhere but socialist was Reagan in '84 (my first vote), and before that was Eisenhauer in '56.
Secondly, the basically did the massachusetts equivalent of Obamacare, and then came out against Obamacare when it was politically expedient.
Thirdly, when he came out so vehemently against Trump, and got involved in that whole smear campaign against Trump's wife (probably because of his religious beliefs).
And then he is wildly into the never trump thing. I want to know what the candidate is about, not why "never trump- or anyone else for that matter".
All that leaves me with a pretty negative opinion of Romney (a far less emotional response than just calling him an idiot).
Living in Las Vegas, I have had some additional experiences with Mormons in government here, and I have seen them use their government powers to further religious ends.
I want in government people who are rational and will run the country efficiently and in accordance with the constitutional protections. I didnt like Cruz for his religiosity either. I just find it hard to accept that they wont at least subconsciously use their faith to further some religion agenda on me.
I think Romney would vote Libertarian not so show acceptance of the libertarian principles, but because he wants to keep Trump from winning. I think that is a bad reason, and therefore I was upset at the idea he would vote Libertarian.
The LP is responsible to some extent for the positions taken by its candidates, but not those of its voters. People vote for or against a candidate for all sorts of reasons. Many Republicans and conservatives besides Romney are supporting Gary Johnson (or considering doing so) because they can’t stand Trump. It’s one of the main reasons that the Johnson-Weld ticket is approaching the debate threshold of 15% in the polls. Most of these people would not vote for Trump anyway, so the LP is not “taking votes” from him, it is providing the #NeverTrump voters an alternative to staying home on election day. It is also exposing these voters to freedom-oriented principles, giving libertarians an unprecedented opportunity for outreach to voters who have never given us serious consideration in the past.
If we only welcome votes from those who are in near-total agreement with our principles, we will not ever cross the 5% threshold within our lifetimes, let alone 15%. As a serious political party, the LP’s best strategy is to encourage voters to support our candidates now, and persuade them to adopt our principles over time.
Expressing approval for Johnson to get him on the debate stage I think is good- and it will allow for libertarian ideas to be spread more widely. But in November, not voting for Trump is going to get Hillary the presidency, which I think would be a disaster for the country as Obama was already.
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-l...
And Gary Johnson is further undermining Hillary by actively seeking votes from Bernie Sanders’ supporters.
If you live in a “swing” state, voting for Trump to stop Hillary may make sense. If you live in a solid Red or Blue state, where your vote can’t possibly affect the outcome, then voting for Gary Johnson is a costless way to express your real preference and add to his vote totals.
It's a website that pairs a disgruntled voter from one major party to match with a similarly disgruntled voter from the opposing major party: http://www.burnmyvote.org.
Probably 80% of the people I personally know supported Sanders. I was for Hillary, and almost never engaged them in Hillary/Sanders debate. Now that Johnson has a real shot, I'm gentling pointing discouraged Sanders' supports to links about Johnson.
Hard to see how Johnson would take votes directly away from Hillary. Sanders should really go third party and continue to build up his "revolution", rather than abaondon it and ask his supporters to vote for Hillary. There is a lot of breakdown of the party heirarchy that needs to be done with both the GOP and Dems and the election in general (get rid of electoral college once and for all) before ANY third party candidate could ever win here.
Trump is much less vulnerable to a third-party challenge. On average, Trump’s supporters are much more enthusiastic and committed than Hillary’s. His negative popularity ratings, already higher than Hillary’s, are unlikely to rise much further. For these and other reasons, Gary Johnson will have a more difficult time winning over Trump supporters than winning over Hillary supporters.
The net result: Gary Johnson takes more votes from Hillary than from Trump. According to the polls it’s happening now, and I expect this trend to continue through election day.
"There is a substantial group of voters who dislike Hillary but dislike Trump even more."
Most people (just over 50%) who I know well enough for them to mention politics to me fall into this description.
"Hillary’s unpopularity will rise under Trump’s withering attacks"
I think attacks on her help her. It's like when Lazio approached her podium 15 years ago. She's able to look at her critics like a misbehaving child. That tends to make them go ape and do something stupid. I think attacks, esp Trump-like attacks, will help her.
"her tepid response to terrorism"
I don't see this at all, but I have possibly an unusual view. I see "hate crimes" and "terrorism" as just crime. "Terrorism" just means the motivations are political. The crime is generally a ploy to goad people into over-reacting. So in my view, the response cannot be tepid enough.
"her continuing email scandal"
This is a tempest in a teapot, unless something new (e.g. she used it to take bribes) comes out. It's fuel for people who don't like her for other reasons and ignored by her supporters and undecideds.
"Libertarian Party’s visibility and respectability will continue rising"
I think so. I really hope so!
"His negative popularity ratings, already higher than Hillary’s, are unlikely to rise much further. "
I don't know. He strikes me as a flash in the pan, like people could get tired of his antics. I may be wrong, though, b/c I never thought he'd get this far.
"Gary Johnson takes more votes from Hillary than from Trump"
I don't have any feel either way. You're likely right. I only know I would have voted for Hillary if Johnson were not viable. I supported her because she was not a socialist and not a Republican, and there was no other viable choice. I'm not sure if I'm a rare case or if millions are thinking the same thing.
What’s going to hurt Hillary big time is that voters have very different reactions to ordinary crime and terrorism. They do not fear ordinary crime nearly as much as terrorism-inspired crime. Ordinary crime is a known danger, typically committed by semi-rational individuals motivated by what they perceive as their personal gain. There are known effective ways to reduce the danger of becoming a victim of ordinary crime. With terrorism the primary motive is to destroy others, not to enrich oneself. There is no effective way to avoid the danger, short of living like a hermit.
People (meaning voters) dislike uncertainty when it comes to protecting themselves and their families. A higher level of uncertainty is associated with terrorism than with ordinary crime – uncertainty as to where and when a terrorist is likely to strike. Voters will gravitate to someone who promises to take concrete steps to reduce the risk of terrorist attacks. Hence, the Trump phenomenon. This issue will continue to haunt Hillary and may cost her the election.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...
It's ironic that Romney would oppose Trump when Romney personally scuppered the GOP's chances in 2012 by being the only Republican who couldn't plausibly run against Obamacare.
Nevertheless, any publicity at all for the LP will force everyone to take a good, hard look. I think an instrument like the LP can become very valuable, if enough people join it who have a grasp of the reality of the world outside the borders of the United States.
I'd strongly recommend you go look at the original bill Romney championed and not what it has since been amended by the liberal Massachusetts Assembly to say. The Heritage Foundation was a big supporter of the original bill because it didn't mandate anything. Those provisions were ushered in as amendments after Romney left office. That was the huge mistake Romney made when debating with Obama in the 2012 elections - he failed to distinguish between the bill he had originally championed and what it had since morphed into.
Of course a little ballot stuffing never hurt Obama's choices either and you can bet the same thing is going to happen with Hillary this fall.
Romney is part of the same craven GOP "establishment" who would not mind the evil hag winning at all.
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rush-...
IMO, Mitt is slime of a different odor and slimy texture.
He wants to dump Trump more than anything.
"patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"
(1) Great Grandpa Romney ran to Mexico to dodge American laws
(2) Grandpa Romney FLIP-FLOPPED back to America when Mexico got dangerous.
(3) Daddy Romney NEVER SERVED through WWII and Korea.
(4) MITTENS Romney used "missionary" deferments to DODGE the Viet Nam draft.
(5) FIVE sons, and NOT ONE ever wore an AMERICAN UNIFORM.
FIVE GENERATIONS, NINE "males", and NOT ONE actually LOVED America enough to SERVE this Nation. The only thing "conservative" about the Romney Family is conserving THEIR OWN BEHINDS.
They hide their money OUTSIDE this country ....so they are always ready for a quick get-away just like Grandpaw did when he ran to Mexico..
No Romney ever comes back missing a limb, in a box, or with PTSD ........ because no Romney ever SERVES.
The Romneys LOVE WAR ...... because they get RICH but THEY never ever .bleed.
Mitt Romney is sabotaging conservatives just like his father George Romney sabotaged Barry Goldwater.
Not sure if the Romney's are in this category or not, but I'd argue serving in the military is not a prerequisite or definition of patriotism.
1. Because the law was an unconstitutional abrogation of First Amendment rights.
2. See #1. He never should have been forced to leave in the first place.
3. So what? You're saying that only someone who has served in the armed forces can love this nation? BS.
4. So you're saying that his First Amendment rights and a legal deferment are trumped by your definition of "patriotism"? BS.
5. See #3 above. I have tremendous respect for and many friends who serve or did serve in the US military. I also know some soldiers who disrespect the uniform they wear. See Nidal Hasan. Your blanket statements are pure logical fallacy. Patriotism is judged case by case - and not by you.
Take your hate and empty accusations elsewhere.
But the sad fact is we stiull have that GD law on the books and it's still operating and the young folks at 18 still don't know what it means when they sign up for college money and government jobs and it's still a fact when the anti draft law movement was inches from winning they quit or were bought off.
What Michael said about the quality of draftees as soldiers resonates too. If a.) the purpose of government as identified clearly in the Declaration is "to secure rights" as its sole function, and b.) the armed forces are the #1 first-line defense of rights, then soldiers should be among the highest-paid government employees rather than the lowest, and there should be no shortage of people signing up, for the lucrative pay if nothing else.
I've long believed that America's armed forces are analogous to a fist in the martial arts, with the President - as CinC - analogous to the brain, and the entire chain of command beneath him representing the synapses and nerve array that translate the brain's command into the muscular activation of a punch. A fist in sync with a wise, competent brain is effective; a fist comprised of what amounts to a random bystander compelled to do the job of one's own, is a pale, ineffectual imitation, giving predictable results. See the entire outcome of the Vietnam war for details. A military draft is an open admission that a government's conceptualization of the military as the government's primary rights-protector is hopelessly muddled, and that its leadership - still analogous to its brain - is addled and erratic in its grasp of purpose, not to mention of ethics.
It's not a great analogy, but in any contest between an army of men self-motivated to be part of that army, and an army of men forced into it, guess which one wins? There is a reason for this.
A second issue: The common argument that "you didn't wear a uniform, therefore your views are null" - generally in the role of an ad hominem - is itself null. One does not have to have attended medical school and run a medical practice to possess valid views on medicine vs. government; one does not have to have become a CPA to possess valid views on taxation; one does not have to have worked as an architect or building contractor to possess valid views on the regulatory straitjacketing of housing construction; one does not have to have worked as a climate scientist to possess valid views on the religion of Chicken Little.
Certainly, if one does have such credentials it adds the weight of further expertise to one's views, but the absence of them is not some kind of magical trump card (pun if you want one,) which nullifies an opponent, thereby saving one the work of debate.
Further, given that there was a significant dearth of major wars between the close of the Vietnam War and Desert Shield, it is a simple demographic fact that huge swaths of the American population came of age during extended peacetime (I'm one of these.) Which means the "chickenhawk" epithet is even more blatantly meaningless.
In retrospect, I wish I had joined up after H.S. - particularly given that my CinC would've been Reagan - but I decided not to, and have never worn a uniform in any branch. (Though like Thoritsu, I too have racked up significant time building state-of-the-art equipment for the military - FLIR pods for USN jets, specifically.)
But there are lots and lots of people across America who hit their 20s between Vietnam and Kuwait/Iraq, and as such devoted their time and energy in pursuing careers in the marketplace rather than joining the military. Are all of those people's views forfeit? And different individuals possess radically different talents. Some people have a military aptitude, some a business aptitude, some a technical aptitude, etc. Assuming every individual is equally fit for every job is a distinctly collectivist view.
Complying with a draft order is a guarantee of absolutely nothing vis-à-vis courage, patriotism or toughness. Enlisting certainly is. But neither is choosing a different career a guarantee of these qualities' absence.
/soapbox
I am confused how Romney, with his strong religious beliefs and statist leanings could be a Libertarian. I am afraid that he is just so repulsed by Trump that he is considering sabotage
for childish reasons. I am sorry to see this because I considered Mitt to be a decent person even though I never thought he was the man for the job but way more preferable than Obama. My previous, biggest disappointment with Romney is that he did not strongly defend Capitalism and this adds to my negative evaluation.
The Libertarians come much closer to matching my beliefs but I do not see that they have any chance as an independent entity and would be better off spread among the Republicans and Democrats providing good ideas and pulling each to more mutual understanding.
I was for Hillary Clinton until Johnson polled 10%-11%. I always would have wanted Johnson, but I consider it pissing in the wind to find the one unknown candidate who best represents me instead of supporting one likely to win. I also think, in the view of some like an abused teenage b/f or g/f, that if I support a candidate early and get to know their staff I can influence them.
But Johnson has a real chance. If either candidate has a serious scandal that everyone can understand, e.g. stealing money, sexual abuse, taking bribes from criminals, an an episode of mental instability, then Johnson will be likely to win.
Then next time we'll be asking if a candidate is taking away Gary Johnson's votes instead of the other way around.
https://alibertarianfuture.com/2016-l...
If Gary Johnson can get into the debates (he's polling 12% now), it will be an interesting contrast between his laid-back style and the other two candidates in full attack mode. That contrast alone could gain Johnson some significant support at the expense of the other two candidates.
This is true if the founding principles of the US are radical today. Maybe they are. Johnson says we don't have to agree on everything, just the important things.
When I (now age 96) was a little hatchling, teachers put a special impressionable and unforgettable oomph on history lessons about the founding fathers and the Constitution.
Every class day started with putting our hands on our hearts, facing the American flag in the room and reciting the Pledge of Allegiance as it was originally written.
Believe I was in the sixth grade when we all had to recite The Gettysburg Address from memory before the class.
It was a far cry from singing any "Um, um um, Barack Hussein Obama" Progressive drivel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ty7W...