What If the FBI Delays Its Announcement Until January 21?

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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It's not about Clinton any more. It's about (1) a faceless crew of FBI investigators, and (2) Comey's timing.
[And who she picks for vice pres] if she picks joey ( a know psychotic) or Hya Watha...(a known idiot) we're toast.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    Anyone but Hillary is elected. Business as usual If indicted she's arrested shows up with lawyers in tow. If not the nothing.

    2. Hillary is elected.

    At 12:01 PM Obama has no power unless he signed a pardon and failed to mention it.

    If indicted it's up to the House to use or not use impeachment and the Senate to convict or not convict. She can't pardon herself and Presidential Pardons may not be used in impeachment proceedings in any case.

    However she's still the President UNLESS Sufficient people sign that bitty bit piece of paper saying they have found her unable to perform her duties then the act of succession takes over. That applies to her successor if he or she is also 'unable to perform' That's mostly subjective but in some cases (Medical opinion ) objective.

    If she resigns (no longer President) her successor may issue a pardon ...or not.

    The segment bore that is Election Day to Inauguration Day

    And before that where we are right now.

    The only thing I don't like about it is the Act of Succession. No one who did not receive votes should be on the list. I'm thinking of cabinet members. Their job is to keep things running and they received zero votes. I would put Senators first , Governors second, and Representatives third based on the likely number of votes it takes to get elected. I would require the list to exclude anyone not of the same party or otherwise not meeting Constitutional requirements. Otherwise it's a palace coup but that part wants some more thinking.
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    • Posted by gcarl615 8 years, 5 months ago
      I am certainly not expert, but our friend Judge Napolitano said she could pardon herself in the absence of impeachment proceedings
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
        Itsn't that what you just read above? Presidents are exempted from that privilege by the Consitution that was a special exemption made that applies just to them. Your friend is doubtless correct but a. State and local law is one thing and b. than federal law and c. even federal law has special exemptions for example Congress is exempt from insider trading restrictions. With one exception - inso far as we know - they all seem to be retiring comfortably.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      I think it needs to be done before election day because of whom she might pick for VP...the VP thing scares me most...
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
        Exactly no telling what kind of Adolphian we might get. I'm sure the head weasel has some plan in mind for a last minute surprise. One of which is a resignation of the follow on (Hillary) in exchange for a full pardon.They could sneak in Kerry The Snake that way. Country would be so happy to have escaped The Bitch they wouldn't think any further. As for Trump who knows what the deal is. He's one of the 'at the top' people ask them?
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  • Posted by livefree-NH 8 years, 5 months ago
    The irony did not escape me today when Hillary said that 'if someone is being investigated by the FBI, then they shouldn't be allowed to buy guns!"

    I guess you don't need to buy guns if you have enough money to hire people who do.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 5 months ago
    Hillary's supporters want her to continue even if she is indicted. Maybe she figures she could run the country from behind bars, sort of like some Mafia or cartel bosses have done, while the Senate goes into meltdown trying to convict on impeachment charges.

    Maybe she's planning on making Slick Willie her VP? Nothing in the Constitution says a former Prez can't be a VP, and nostalgia counts in some people's eyes. Then if she gets jailed, the Clintons are still in charge.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 5 months ago
    The people were little interested in Watergate ahead of Nixon's re-election, but afterward the nation went nuts on it. I'm sensing a repeat here. Fauxcahontas could well be waiting in the wings.

    As to a presidential pardon, consider that Hillary's private server received at least 2 official emails from Obama himself, so could he pardon her without impugning himself?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
    one of the sections dealt with impeachment after the office holder had held office but included a limit on the punishment of no return to that office. Something most Presidents are barred from anyway.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 5 months ago
      If you read the Constitution, impeachment carries a lifetime ban from "any office of trust or profit under the United States."

      But I don't think presidents are actually barred from holding the office again even if term-limited out. After two terms they are ineligible for re-election as president; but it would be completely legal for Hillary to make her husband vice-president, and for him to then succeed her as president should she die, resign, or be impeached during her term, or for him to become "Acting President" should she be declared incapacitated under the 25th Amendment.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 8 years, 5 months ago
    Maybe I'm being a bit naïve (or hopeful) but I think the announcement will be made long before November.

    If Obummer's DOJ sits on its collective hands much past late July and Cleveland and doesn't announce something, I think their hand will be forced.

    I think someone within the FBI (or a small group within the FBI) who has access to the files will come forward, regardless of consequences.

    The information shared in that press conference will be so conclusive that Lynch will have to recommend an indictment.

    With homage to Dennis Miller: Of course, that's just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      That already happened . His name is Director of the FBI..They have indicated they have enough to prosecute without fear of losing. Got keep up with you reading.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 5 months ago
    Does anyone actually expect ANYTHING with criminal consequences to happen before the election?

    Clinton, even if found guilty, will get a pardon. She knows where all the skeletons are buried and there is no way ANYONE in DC is going to allow the dominoes to fall.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
    Does it matter? It looks as if those who support Mrs. Clinkton are deaf, dumb, and blind to her damning past and those who oppose her have understood her foibles all along. It is up to the Mugwumps in the middle to make the difference.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      What middle Democrats to the left of me Republicans to the right here i am stuck in the middle of socialism. Now if you meant the real middle not the secuilar progressive middle you would find zero mugwumps.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
        I dunno.
        I'm not thinking of the right lefties or the left righties, but the uncommitted middle roaders who eschew party affiliation when voting. Many of them claim to be Dems or Reps, but they have never voted a straight ticket.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
          Ah yes they could be the real center if it's the Constitution but could be the center of the left. It helps to let us know which center you are referring to. For me the center of the left is just their version and meaningless outside liberal socialist circles. those aimless circling mugwumps are one's that don't want to find a home.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
            Michael, you see through the fogginess caused by irrational rhetoric, you delineate the problem, you recognize the step needed for a cure -- but you, and most of us, are voices shouting in the wilderness. When we hear the shouts return, we realize they are only the echo of ourselves. Ayn Rand held a view of mankind filled with the admiration that it is basically a noble creature. After reading her writings, one comes away believing that greatness is possible. They want to emulate the heroes and there are plenty to go around. My favorites were Roark and Rearden, others may be D'Anconia, or Dagny. Then we have to pinch ourselves and remind ourselves that they are fiction invented by a brilliant mind. They are the avatars that we strive to be, and at the same time fail to find anyone in reality who can live up to any of them, except a few people that we may know. As I grow older I have become more cynical and less idealistic, and every time I encounter a shiny objectivist, I think will this be a harbinger or another voice in the wilderness.
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            • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 5 months ago
              Herb7734, your words are the reality that I often feel.
              Indeed Ayn Rand in my mind was a brilliant talent, writing captivating stories that are described with amazing clarity. She brought the reader on an emotional journey providing an educational balance loaded with thought provoking ideas and lessons.
              Her enlightened objectivism, her experience in Russia and it's death and destruction.
              The beauty of life and the way her Characters (the gulchers) lived it, should also be strived for. In the gulch the outside world didn't own their mood or attitude.
              Happy, that as long as we are breathing and we can reason we will adapt and seek that which fulfills us.
              One of the "scenes" that particularly struck me as totally incongruous with my reality, was in Fountainhead when Roark was at the temple he had created for a customer that was thoughtless and manipulated by Ellsworth Monkton Toohey who had been discrediting and swaying public opinion against Roark. As they met on a chance encounter Toohey asked Roark "what do you think of me" Roark's reply was "I don't .

              I want to be more like that.

              Have a great day and live it as you desire.
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              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 5 months ago
                As I have mentioned several times over the years, that is my favorite scene in all of her books. "But I don't think of you, Mr. Toohey." It was the best moment in the movie as well. Actually, when I saw and read that line when I was 14 (?) it literally changed my life. I realized in a flash that it didn't matter what people I didn't respect thought of me. They are too inconsequential to clutter up my brain with.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 5 months ago
    the powers that be (the self-proclaimed elite/rulers) have had years to work this out...we (those who serve the oligarchy) will be told what they want us to know and think...the govt-educated good citizen will forget and move on...the rest of us independent thinkers must learn how to live free in an unfree world...
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 5 months ago
    "he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." This doesn't mean that a pardon can take place only after conviction. So yes, A president can pardon himself.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 5 months ago
      So where in the Constitution does it say that the pres can pardon himself from prosecution?...Oh...sorry, I forgot...they don't follow the constitution.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 5 months ago
        Constitution only indicates in the case of "impeachment" is the president helpless.

        Indictment, conviction, makes no difference President can pardon themselves.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
          Yes it was written that way on purpose. Go do your homework and due diligence, get all red in the face and come back and 'fess up. No big deal it's like a rite of passage.
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          • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 5 months ago
            Please see an article from 1998 regarding Billy boy Clinton.

            "President Clinton promised this month not to pardon himself. It's surprising to see Clinton voluntarily relinquish a legal weapon, but even more surprising that he had his hands on it in the first place. Can the president really pardon himself?

            No one knows the answer. The Constitution says that the president "shall have the power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment." This sentence, like many in the Constitution, can reasonably be interpreted in several ways. And since no court has ruled on this issue--because no president has ever tried to pardon himself--it remains an open question.

            The simplest interpretation is that the president can pardon any federal criminal offense, including his own, but cannot pardon an impeachment. In other words, Clinton is free to immunize himself from criminal prosecution, but has no power over Congress."

            http://www.slate.com/articles/news_an...

            Should I be red faced now?
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
              No you are the first one to use the KISS principle and state the problem succinctly. The caveat is who is going to indict and without and indictment there is nothing to pardon. One of the denied uses is blanket amnesty on unspecified charges.

              So there's your next step.

              Also why the Nixon Method was used.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 5 months ago
    Well, then Hillary can just Pardon herself. Before January 21st. Obama will grant her a pardon.

    Only if someone other than Hillary is elected will she possibly face accountability.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
      She can't pardon herself. That's disallowed specifically and pardons are not legal for any impeachment proceedings. Gotta read the Citizens Handbook! The Constitution. Lot of history there. Course that may not work for an IRS arrest or BLM arrest or....


      However here is the exact wording of the pardoning ability of the President.

      "Section 2 - The Text

      The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

      He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein other- wise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments. The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session."

      http://www.annenbergclassroom.org/pag...

      Section 2 - The Meaning and Discussion

      The president serves not only as the head of the executive branch of government, but also as the commander in chief of the armed forces (including state national guards when they are called on to serve with the federal armed forces).

      As chief executive, the president runs the different executive agencies, such as the Department of the Treasury or the Department of Health and Human Services.

      The president has the power to pardon (let free) any person who has committed a federal crime, except in cases of impeachment.

      With permission from two-thirds of the senators present, the president can make treaties (agreements) with other countries. With the approval of a majority of senators, the president makes a number of key appointments. These include U.S. ambassadors and foreign consuls, Supreme Court justices and federal judges, U.S. attorneys, U.S. marshals, Cabinet officers, independent agency heads, and members of regulatory commissions. To ensure that the president can fill vacancies when the Senate is not in session, the president can make any of these appointments without Senate approval, but these “recess appointments” end at the end of the next Senate session.

      Congress may choose to require Senate approval of other presidential appointments or let the president, courts or department heads appoint staff and agency employees without approval by the Senate.
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      • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 5 months ago
        The president has the power to pardon (let free) any person who has committed a federal crime, except in cases of impeachment.

        Please show me where she could not pardon herself again?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 5 months ago
          Because as President the must be impeached before they are tried. Ergo sum pardon does not apply. They can however a la Nixon resign and then be pardoned review that for the particulars. That would be by the former VP. She is sworn ind, indicted by the Justice department (remember the topic heading said 'a report made by the FBI' a report is not an arrest and Justice does the indictment portion.) Having been sworn in she can immediately resign and do a Nixon. Which means the sole qualification her running mate must have is some club she holds over their head to ensure the pardon is granted. Sworn at noon. Resigns at 12:05. VP Sworn at 12:10. New President signs pardon at 12:15 She walks.The question is the indictment but it can be issued and then the pardon dated. Do you think Pinky Promise Kerry would go for that deal?

          Or just to prolong the agony the new Prez pardons her and nominates her for VP and then he or she resigns. There is something about holding the same office but that's if an impeachment was used.
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          • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 5 months ago
            This seems to me a non-sequitur. There is no requirement that a pardon take place after trial -- it is perfectly legal for a president to pardon someone before that person is tried or even charged. Therefore a president may pardon himself. He could still be impeached, but there it would end.
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