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Today, someone asked me, "What's the point of having a Bill of Rights if it just gets trampled on, ignored, and violated?" This was my response...

Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 7 months ago to Philosophy
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If we build a wall to protect ourselves from assailants, our enemies will bash and pound against it; they will punch the wall with their fists and kick it with their feet; they will smash rocks against it; they will whack at it with hammers, axes, and chisels; they will use shovels to dig holes under it, and ropes and ladders to climb over it; the wall may crack, and it may crumble, especially if it is built from weak material, or rests on an unsure foundation. But we build the wall anyway, for it is better to prepare for battle, than to sit defenseless against the inevitable onslaught of the enemy. Yet even if our wall is firmly built, wrought of steel and iron, and forged in the fires of adversity, it will still be utterly useless without guardians to stand watch over it, and protect it from our adversaries. Even the strongest wall can be easily toppled, if it is left undefended. Only by the vigilance of patriots, who are willing to stand guard and defend the wall at all costs, can we ever have any hope of security and freedom. Do not be the cold-hearted cynic who says the wall is useless because it cracks, but rather be the patriot who takes up arms, and drives the sword against those who do the cracking.


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  • Posted by $ johnrobert2 10 years, 7 months ago
    X L C OR. On a more somber note, we may all soon be quoting the speech from Henry V as a rallying cry, for we will be at the Rubicon.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 7 months ago
      o.O

      Mixed historical metaphor.
      The reference to the Rubicon is when Julius Caesar made the irrefutable decision to violate Roman law by bringing his army into Rome proper, by crossing the Rubicon.

      Do you refer to Henry V's speech at Halfleur, or Agincourt?

      I find this rather appropriate for today's circumstances....

      http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/horatius/...

      "But when the face of Sextus
      Was seen among the foes,
      A yell that rent the firmament
      From all the town arose.
      On the house-tops was no woman
      But spat towards him and hissed,
      No child but screamed out curses,
      And shook its little fist."

      (The modern English translation of the name "Sextus" is "Bill Clinton"; Sextus was the son of the king, and when he wanted to have an affair with a Roman matron, she refused. He had her murdered, and the Romans rose up and threw the kings out; they ran to their powerful relative, Lars Porsena, who raised an 80+ thousand man army to come chastise the Romans.)

      "XXVI

      But the Consul's brow was sad,
      And the Consul's speech was low,
      And darkly looked he at the wall,
      And darkly at the foe.
      'Their van will be upon us
      Before the bridge goes down;
      And if they once may win the bridge,
      What hope to save the town?'

      XXVII

      Then out spake brave Horatius,
      The Captain of the Gate:
      'To every man upon this earth
      Death cometh soon or late.
      And how can man die better
      Than facing fearful odds,
      For the ashes of his fathers,
      And the temples of his gods,

      XXVIII

      'And for the tender mother
      Who dandled him to rest,
      And for the wife who nurses
      His baby at her breast,
      And for the holy maidens
      Who feed the eternal flame,
      To save them from false Sextus
      That wrought the deed of shame?"

      (that's my favorite part. )

      "XXXI

      'Horatius,' quoth the Consul,
      'As thou sayest, so let it be.'
      And straight against that great array
      Forth went the dauntless Three.
      For Romans in Rome's quarrel
      Spared neither land nor gold,
      Nor son nor wife, nor limb nor life,
      In the brave days of old.

      XXXII

      Then none was for a party;
      Then all were for the state;
      Then the great man helped the poor,
      And the poor man loved the great:
      Then lands were fairly portioned;
      Then spoils were fairly sold:
      The Romans were like brothers
      In the brave days of old.

      XXXIII

      Now Roman is to Roman
      More hateful than a foe,
      And the Tribunes beard the high,
      And the Fathers grind the low.
      As we wax hot in faction,
      In battle we wax cold:
      Wherefore men fight not as they fought
      In the brave days of old."

      Note that this is not entirely incompatible with Objectivism. After all, what Objectivist is going to divide socially between "haves" and "have-not"s? (between the "do"s and the "do-not"s, yes...)

      The above is a fair metaphor for what happened to America in AS.
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  • Posted by whiskysmuggler 10 years, 7 months ago
    Truth...Your point is well taken, but let us not forget how this all has been forming for years. Even in recent memory we have the destroyers in the form of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid,, Elijah Cummings and the rest of the patriot deficient politicians.
    United we Stand. Words to live by. One Nation Under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All.
    May God bless us all.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 10 years, 7 months ago
    That is, indeed, the meaning of "eternal vigilance". We should not, however, accept having enemies as a permanent condition. A world of traders, collaborating for mutual benefit by mutual consent, is not an impossible goal for mankind. It is, in fact, in our strongest long-range self-interest. Walls not only keep the bad guys out; they also keep us trapped inside. More Pink Floyd: "Tear down the Wall".
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago
    shouldn't we remember that the bill of rights was devised to protect the people from government? we would like to have it serve to protect us from all assailants, and tend to squeegee it in that direction. yet, in the process, we de-emphaze the primary purpose. then, the successful assailant becomes the government from which we would like to be protected! -- j
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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 7 months ago
    The point is, that "We The People" have such rights, and the right to protest or defend ourselves against those who would violate them in any way.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 7 months ago
    unfortunately those who have been elected by the voters of the country are SUPPOSED to be the protectors and they aren't. so much for the bill of rights as well as the constitution.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
    We now have more than half the population that are perfectly happy being in a comfortable slavery (I would estimate as much more than half). Let them be slaves. If the slave doesn't want to be freed, why should others risk their lives freeing someone who does ask for it?
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    • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 7 months ago
      Because if we allow those content to be slaves to be slaves then their children will be born into slavery and the sickness spreads.

      I myself have 3 children and my oldest is one of those content to be a slave. Yes I completely failed her to my regret. But this means that her children will be content to be slaves and that is a much worse travesty.

      We MUST stand to that metaphorical wall and defend it to the last!

      Sorry but I voted your down.
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      • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 7 months ago
        I think you're right. The problem is that with our structure of government, the slaves get a few crumbs from our masters/politicians for their support and compliance, and are content. Meanwhile the "powers that be" milk the producers for more than half their value, give a few crumbs to the slaves, and pocket the rest. If we don't wake up at least some of the slaves, I don't see how we'll ever change the system.
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        • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
          We now have an almost exactly the same system as the Soviet Union had in the 1980's. Sure, there are technology differences, which allow for plenty of food, and some other differences as well, but the basic socialist structure is the same. It is, predictably, leading to the same results. Only a complete crash of the system can possibly save the future of this country. Fighting piecemeal will only give ammunition to the regime, which must have enemies to justify it's actions and existence.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 7 months ago
      My answer may differ from the norm: There is nothing wrong with their wanting to be slaves. I think that there is a good chunk o'humankind that of their free and intelligent volition would choose a socialist lifestyle. No problem. But. In an objectivist, rational culture those people could be free to make that choice (eg communes) without encumbering people who wish to make other choices (freedom with its concomitant risk). In a socialist/communist culture, I do not see that the options are made available for individual freedom and excellence.

      So yes, it is as much their prerogative to choose to live in a commune as it is my prerogative to choose freedom. It is easier for me to imagine their system contained within my system than the other way around.

      Jan
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      • Posted by Solver 10 years, 7 months ago
        As long as all the socialists respected the individual rights of others, I'm fine with that. I would also be fine with parasites that did not need any hosts to feed on.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
        Jan, your premise is unrealistic. Socialism, by it's nature, is an act of stealing from one and acquiring by another. Thus, socialism cannot exist within itself. It needs external sources of resources and, above all, enemies. Look at the last 100 years and show me a thriving socialist country that is not raping either another country or a class of slaves internally (if it has no access to external slaves). Your premise of coexistence can be boiled down to allow one (or many) to be a thieve from others and excusing it with "free choice."
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        • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 7 months ago
          I cannot show you examples with a country, but monasteries have worked on socialist principles for a millennium or more. The clue, I hypothesize, is in that monasteries represent a voluntary, self-selecting population. I do not have any problem with the idea of sectarian 'monasteries' existing imbedded in a free-marked culture. You would treat the monastery as an 'entity' and expect it to be productive with respect to the larger culture.

          Jan
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          • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
            Correct me if I'm wrong (as I'm sure the data on the subject is sketchy and unreliable), but I believe the monasteries, even though many produced some products, relied on money flowing in from the piety. As to the "voluntary" nature of the monasteries, that can be debated at another time. My point is that socialism is an oppressive, totalitarian system that is necessarily categorized by low production, high rhetoric and a constant search for enemies, internal and external (Marx's perversion of dielectic). It cannot peacefully coexist with anyone else.
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    • Posted by Solver 10 years, 7 months ago
      There is philosophical point in the democratic process where if a majority of individuals demand others to be slaves, in one way another another, then government will morally “progress” to enforce this demand.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 10 years, 7 months ago
        That is precisely why the US Constitution was NOT set up as a democratic system, but a Republic that first and foremost had an obligation to protect any and all from the expected usurpations of power if they went against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The desires of the masses would only be allowed if they were not in conflict with the above. Those premises, unfortunately, are no longer true.
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