To P or not to P

Posted by Kulord 10 years, 7 months ago to Government
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I have a job.

I work, they pay me.

I pay my taxes & the government
Distributes my taxes as it sees fit.

In order to get that paycheck, in my case,
I am required to pass a random urine test
(with which I have no problem).

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes
To people who don't have to pass a urine test.

So, here is my question:
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check
Because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet.
I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sitting on their BUTT----doing drugs while I work..

Can you imagine how much money each state would save
If people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?
I guess we could call the program “URINE OR YOU'RE OUT"!

P.S. Just a thought, all politicians should have to pass a urine test too!....
They should also have to pass an intelligence test, a common sense test and an understanding the constitution test, as well!!!

Remember November is coming


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 7 months ago
    How about we just eliminate welfare and settle the issue that way?
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    • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 7 months ago
      I used to think that we should gradually phase out welfare, but I changed my mind.

      Get rid of it. Eliminate welfare support entirely. "After September 2nd there will be no welfare."

      What will happen? Well, if we can avoid riots by those who "own" their welfare payment, the churches and other charitable people will step in. They'll be able to afford to do that if they're not having to pay for the Welfare Machine.
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  • Posted by jimslag 10 years, 7 months ago
    Wow, someone with the same outlook as me. I agree totally with the sentiment. As for politicians, we give the Wunderlick test to prospective NFL players to test their intelligence and ability to understand basic instructions. Why cannot we give something similar to politicians. I guess not because most Democrats would fail miserably and some of the Republicans also. As for welfare, my wake up was when I shopping at a local store in 2005. I was behind a young lady with a full basket that used an EBT card for her groceries. I only had a few items, so I was out the door right behind her. She put her groceries into a brand new Chevy Silverado. I meanwhile, hopped into my 10 year old Ford pickup. I help pay for those benefits and they drive nicer vehicles than I do. I don't want to lower myself to their levels to drive a nicer vehicle, but it is hard to fathom that as a society, we have stooped to this level of wealth redistribution. I have since paid off a lot of my debt and now drive a newer truck, but it took effort on my part to accomplish this, no welfare, just hard work. Everything I have is due to my own efforts, despite the fact the the government takes more and more of my earnings to distribute to others who decided that they did not want to participate in that type of effort.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 7 months ago
    Well...you're the livestock. There are looters, moochers and producers. You are a producer and, therefore, must play by more rules in order to secure your right to work for a few extra pennies in the hopes that your kids might be able to go to college someday. Those others, the moochers and looters...well, it's important to them that you keep working. They are on the other team now. So, pee in that cup like a good cow.
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    • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago
      it's like conservatives, isn't it? they voluntarily seek to live by a moral code (well, at least some of them), and include more producers than the liberals (well, some are Democrats, some Progressives, some Alinskyites, some Marxists, some fascists, etc.) who include more looters and moochers. good thing that the odds aren't stacked in the 2-to-1 ratio of monikers, here! -- j
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  • Posted by iroseland 10 years, 7 months ago
    I work in IT. Drug testing is pretty much the norm for companies over a certain size and any of them that do any government work. Most of the time the grub testing is insurance mandated more than anything else. After all, were I to make a mistake because I am lit up it would not cost any lives.
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    • Posted by jimjamesjames 10 years, 7 months ago
      It might. I drove tankers in the gas fields for a few years. When our company instituted random drug testing, six drivers quit, all chronic users of pot. Hauling hazmat and being stoned, driving on ice roads in Wyoming in January is not a good combination.
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  • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 7 months ago
    I agree with you.

    Drug addicts, the next protected class.

    Personally I don't care you someone wants to fumble through life stoned out of their lack of mind, but I do object to having to pay for it. The grubment likes it because they are easy to control.
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    • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 7 months ago
      I might not have been very clear that I don't agree with the mandatory drug testing either, I just agree that those that do shouldn't have to support those who won't. You have to take responsibility for your own choices.

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      • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
        I am not all that pro drug testing either. On the other hand there are professions that I would not want them to be stoned, high, etc. were I to hire them.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago
          wouldn't it be good if those with whom you interact to be clean & sober -- like judges and those at McD's and the pharmacy and the government and the college where your daughter goes to school? how about those who aim their 3,000 lb metal missiles (er, cars) at you on the road? lots of professions and some others, too!!! -- j
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    • Posted by evlwhtguy 10 years, 7 months ago
      You are right on there! Drug and alcohol addiction is being positioned as the next type of "disability". Who knows what sort of "reasonable accommodation" will be required of businesses for these new disabled.
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      • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years, 7 months ago
        Alcoholism is already classified as a disease.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 7 months ago
          Alcoholism is a legitimate hereditary condition. The thing that most want to avoid is that there is a very simply self-administered treatment: to avoid alcohol entirely.

          That's my good friend to a T. His natural father was alcoholic, which is why his mother divorced him. My friend knows that if he ever gets into alcohol, his life will go south in a real hurry. So he makes the decision not to drink. Not the smallest bit. Never ever.

          So too with any potentially addictive substance - whether the addiction is physical, mental, or emotional. The most effective treatment is complete abstinence.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 7 months ago
    just imagine how many people who administer the welfare program would be out of work(?) if we do the right thing and eliminate all welfare. where would they go what would the do, oh my gosh it would be jus the worst thing in the world for them. why should I worry the "o" wil take care of them.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 10 years, 7 months ago
    This is another issue that would probably be resolved if politicians had term limits. If once elected they could concentrate on serving in they're positions to the best of their ability instead worrying about their next reelection, politicians wouldn't have to be pandering for votes with stupid policies.

    The argument I get all the time is that if we switch to term limits, we would loose all that experience the life long politician has achieved. Really? Think about it, would that be such a great loss to the country? How many Mooches do we now have Washington?

    Another argument is that you can't really do anything in one or two terms. I believe that if an elected official isn't worth their pay the first term, they don't deserve a second term.

    Term limits would open the field up for the John Galts of America and give them a chance to run for office, make their mark and return to what they do best that made them a John Galt.

    Term limits: Two terms max in a position; no retirement for only one term; no full retirement after serving the max two terms. Then go back to your regular work.

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  • Posted by Kath 10 years, 7 months ago
    I am against mandatory drug testing. I don't care if you have some blood contaminant some people have chosen to focus on as long as you can do your job. Tighten up the welfare and this wouldn't be an issue. If an individual boss wants this to be a policy, that's his choice, but I don't think it makes the workforce better. If they do pass a law to make urine tests mandatory for welfare recipients then they should force Congress and the President to do it as well. That's fair.
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      Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 7 months ago
      We can deal with reality and just admit that testing accomplishes nothing: "Ushered in amid promises that it would save taxpayers money and deter drug users, a Florida law requiring drug tests for people who seek welfare benefits resulted in no direct savings, snared few drug users and had no effect on the number of applications, according to recently released state data"

      That's from: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/us/no-...

      Testing politicians... Gives new meaning to running for office.
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      • Posted by Boborobdos 10 years, 7 months ago
        BTW, for some critical operations like school bus driver, pilot, and others who may endanger lives if they are impaired while working (including lack of sleep or legal drugs) testing should be enough to assure that there aren't problems.

        For the rest of the public we need some common sense guidelines. Folks with sleep apnea are as dangerous as a drunk on the road. Doctors should be held responsible when they allow folks to drive when they know there is an underlying condition that could cause impairment.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago
    on the surface, it seems reasonable, but I think it invites more problems. It's part of the War on Drugs. the original problems are welfare state and immigration issues. Should we also have people on unemployment submit to drug testing? How easy is it to work around those tests? should we just go around the urine test and require blood tests for more accuracy? It's a slope. I am against corporate drug testing as a choice. I would not say a company cannot ask it as a contractual deal. But that's not what the issue is. This was all a push under Reagan and the war on drugs and to be honest large companies do it because laws to fire have become more difficult.
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  • Posted by Notperfect 10 years, 7 months ago
    I cannot tell you how many I have had and passed. I have said other times we are regulated to the extreme. I also agree give them the test, but not by the Feds. They cannot get out of their own way much less pass a Drug Test. Many have said to get involved with the drug crowd gives to much competition to the govment. Would that not be a novel idea. Post the list of people being tested in a Free Press system ie. Brietbart. followed by the results. Can you not hear Pelosi, Reid, Obama, Boehnor etc. etc. etc. Their words "What have We become?
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  • Posted by thowellaz 10 years, 7 months ago
    Oklahoma did it and I want to say that it is saving them over $300,000 per month on welfare checks from people that failed their drug test. I want to say that there are a couple of other states that have adopted the same law. I know AZ has a law in the state house that will require drug testing to get a welfare check.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 10 years, 7 months ago
    The "welfare organizations"(really, there are such things out there) would raise hell if drug testing for welfare benefits were required. It has been attempted in some states and due to the expense of court battles to establish testing as a prerequisite to benefits, those states gave up. No doubt the money funding the fight for the moochers came from the left in power to keep the status quo. Its all about generating votes from the moochers which paying them off with free stuff.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 7 months ago
    I agree with you wholeheartedly, but the part about politicians really struck home. I've been saying those things for many years, mostly to deaf ears. I used to wonder if any politicians, or judges, or for that matter so-called "public servants" really know or understand the founding principles of our country, the Constitution. I no longer wonder. They don't. As to intelligence, a few of them have it. Many who do, apply it in devious ways for their own benefit. Such acts are purely evil. And, as I'm sure many of you know, common sense is not very common.
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