The Mark: Scientist Claims Human Microchip Implants Will Become "Not Optional"

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They will have to physically force this on me. Hell, I won't even use a GPS and my cell phone is older than dirt.
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  • Posted by $ DriveTrain 10 years, 6 months ago
    Something I'd thought about on and around a recent surgery, is that given the fact that any surgery requiring general anesthesia is an opportunity to embed a device into your body in a way that only a second surgery could remove, or a similar opportunity even a fully-conscious acquisition of dental fillings provides (I had a couple a few years back that required casting, out-of-office manufacturing, then installation a week or so later,) and given the fact of what the voyeur-pervs at the NSA have been doing, extra-Constitutionally and with impunity, with the rest of our privacy...

    At risk of the accusation of paranoia, there is really nothing standing in the way of the current U.S. Administration's implanting devices into anyone it wants to monitor, without their knowledge or consent, right now.

    Under Obamacare, doubly so.

    The doctor in charge of your chart would certainly be an obstacle, but the government can bring an incredible amount of coercive pressure to bear, particularly on someone who's an upstanding professional with a well-established life, career and family.

    So yes, as JLC said, unless there's a catastrophic collapse of technology (virtually impossible,) the only choice we have in this matter is to reclaim the people intellectually, and end Gangster Government via an intellectual sea change.

    Given decades of the Republican "leadership" conceding to militant collectivists the education of generations of Americans, and given that educational corruption's metastasizing under Communist Core, the outlook looks pretty grim, at least for the better part of this coming century.

    On that note, some cathartic rock 'n' roll from Mr. Rundgren and the boys:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOymRNFrP...
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 6 months ago
    I think it would be easy to remove the RFID from your body and then just band-aid it to the surface of your body somewhere. That way, you will appear to be normal but be able to disappear whenever you want to by popping it in a band-aid box. Neat.

    Jan
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    • Posted by Ranter 10 years, 6 months ago
      I would prefer to be invisible all the time. If wearing a microchip is normal, I'll remain abnormal.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 6 months ago
        Barring catastrophe, I do not think we are going to return to a world where we are untraceable and anonymous, though it is both plausible and heartening that we might find a way to put a lid on continual official scrutiny. If this theory is true, it is still not a cause for panic: what humans can do, we can undo, subvert, or avoid.

        Let us say, Ranter, that you avoid being microchipped (as would I). The next level of urban scrutiny may well be 'sniffers' that sample the DNA imprint of those passing by and trace their movements accordingly. We would then have to come up with some other method of preserving anonymity to fool that system. This cycle of surveillance and avoidance could continue indefinitely.

        I think that a better answer is to change our culture such that this level of scrutiny is considered unacceptable...but this requires that a preponderance of the people actually do not want to be traced. It is the security/freedom dichotomy again. Failing this, we who value freedom will have to come up with a technical solution to each problem. This is not a case of a sudden 'apocalypse', it is an endurance race by those people who will not give up valuing freedom.

        Jan
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    • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 6 months ago
      You're presuming things are going to stay the size they currently are.

      As technology progresses (and is kinda already here), they could very easily implant a nano-sized device that is next to impossible to find physically without using a combination of sensors to triangulate its location.

      Or they could install multiple in different locations so if one is removed, the others take over and alert the government that one was removed.

      Tech is at a point that a lot of things can be done autonomously in an instant.

      Honestly, there's a lot that could be done, and I believe that the ones who are going to come out on top are going to be the ones who can react to technology the fastest (read: not the feds in their current instantiation). The losers can either react with overwhelming force, or realize they're lagging behind and change. The way the media responds will determine if they react with overwhelming force or not.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 6 months ago
        I do not disagree with what you say, barwick. There is the additional possibility of genetic 'sniffers' that do not require anything to be implanted at all - they just sample some of the 30K skin cells that you shed (per minute) as you walk down the street and ID your DNA from that.

        I am aware of this possibility as a result of having worked a bit with (a) search and rescue dogs and (b) clinical laboratory. In the latter, serious work is going into confirming a patient ID by genetic markers...one of the major problems with lab work is that specimens get mixed up and the wrong results can be reported on a patient. If your automated analyzers all check DNA tags on their samples you can catch most of these discrepancies.

        Jan
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
      unless, this is my sci-fi writers mind talking, the device is designed to be powered off voltage taken from the human body via some type of chemical reaction)
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      • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 6 months ago
        That makes it even easier: use an external plug and a skin-colored patch over the RFID and when you do not want to be tracked any more - unplug it. Or you could just trade the RFID you have with someone else and really confuse the trackers.

        My point is that this is merely technology. I am not too concerned about it being put into use because any where that can sponsor a maker-lab, abortion clinic, or illicit drug lab can also provide for inactivation, exchange, or optional use of these devices.

        The battle is not to outwit an implanted RFID; the battle is for there to be someone left who would want to.

        Jan
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        • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 6 months ago
          Jan; "The battle is not to outwit an implanted RFID; the battle is for there to be someone left who would want to." That's a +1

          Parents are already doing this to their children out of fear of child kidnapping. They think of it like a human 'Lotrack' for safety.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 10 years, 6 months ago
    I cannot imagine this ever coming to pass. With biometrics/facial recognition improving on a daily basis, along with the proliferation of "security" cameras everywhere, it is not and never will be necessary to implant a chip in anyone. Your face, the slope of your ears, your stance or gait....those are already used to "track" significant numbers of people (casinos use facial recognition equipment to recognize cheaters and card-counters, to use one example).

    As one poster noted below, it would be all too easy to remove an implanted chip. But you can't change the distance between your pupils. Granted, most cameras are above eye level now, so broad-brimmed hats most likely provide some protection. But that is bound to change. I can just imagine the rationale....terrorists are buying groceries, so the new cameras are FOR YOUR PROTECTION....
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  • Posted by amagi 10 years, 6 months ago
    Side Issue ?: Chipping has been tied to bone cancer in dogs, said an article a while back. I sent it to friends in Texas who own, breed and show
    Akitas. They do not chip their dogs, but one
    which they bought directly from Japan had been
    chipped prior to departure; she was also the
    only one who died of bone cancer a few years
    later. Co-incidence ?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 6 months ago
    Years ago (before Kurtzweil) I wrote a paper on "self initiated evolution", predicting that technology would eventually (and inevitably) lead to a very different human family. We will eventually have the genetically engineered, made up of the "perfect", with long life, near absolute immunity from disease, etc.; the bionics, enhanced by a marriage of technology and biology; the "autonics", who are nothing but robots that have reached the level of emotion and intelligence that we would consider sentient; and the "statics", who resist technology "help". The process is seductive - witness how many have become slaves to a device as seemingly harmless as the cell phone.
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  • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
    Wow, this is such conspiracy theorist garbage. The scientist who said this was Mark Gasson, and he NEVER said that the microchips would be forcefully implanted into anyone. All he said is that having a microchip would be such a huge advantage, that it would become incredibly difficult to operate in society without one, sort of like having a credit card or debit card. Sure, you CAN insist on only paying for everything exclusively with cash, but if you do, you lock yourself out of online stores like Amazon and eBay. Having the ability to engage in electronic purchases online has become such a big part of our modern daily life that those who refuse to use electronic forms of payment are effectively cutoff from a huge sector of the market. The government didn't do it to them. They did it to themselves.

    The fact that this website is claiming that cell phones are a form of enslavement should be a huge tipoff that the entire site is nonsense. Disregard.

    If you want to know what Mark Gasson ACTUALLY said on this matter, you can watch his full TEDx speech here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvheQ9lf...
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 6 months ago
      It 's an error to blame the technology. Governments have always used whatever methods to control you. They require you to carry papers, register arms, take pics of you on the street corner, read your emails. Not technology but tyranny. Don 't run from tech stand up to tyrants is my view.
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      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
        Totally agree. Technology has been a huge benefit to people, and has given citizens just as much power to fight back against government as it has given government to control them. Tyrants didn't suddenly arise with the discovery of electricity.

        In ancient times, tyrannical governments would often require people to get special tattoos before they were permitted to buy or sell in the public market. THAT'S what the Biblical "Mark of the Beast" refers to. People need to stop thinking these ancient texts predict the future. They don't. They're not about our day and age, they're about about the day and age in which they were written.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 6 months ago
      There's a helluva difference between a credit/debit card and an implant. If society has evolved to the point where a person cannot function without a credit card, and all the possible cheating and control that represents, can you not imagine the greater control an implant represents. If this is even a possibility for the future, I fear for the freedom of humanity.
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      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
        The difference is merely one of physical location. One is in your wallet, the other is in your skin. Other than that, they're essentially the same.

        You say that there is possible cheating and control with a credit/debit card, and that's true, but there has always been possible cheating and control with any form of money for as long as money has existed. That's not something new.
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago
          No, I disagree. I can always leave my wallet at home. I am not the sum worth of what I own or owe. I should be free to go about my business in public without a ’tag’ identifying me by the materials in my world.
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
            Well, I guess you COULD leave your wallet at home, but without a driver's license on you, you'd probably have to take the bus or ride your bike. I suppose you COULD drive without your license, but then you risk getting in trouble if you're caught speeding and get pulled over. If you don't have your driver's license on you because you insisted on going out into the world without any identification, how would you deal with that situation?
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            • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 6 months ago
              Maph, driving without a license is a minor moving violation. You get a ticket. I’m not perfect, but I don’t view getting a ticket as ‘getting in trouble.’ I certainly wouldn’t lose sleep over it. Most cops don’t give you a ticket for forgetting your license. Now if you forget the registration for the car, they are a bit more strict about that. Although, I have driven away without a ticket more often than not for both offensives.

              I shouldn’t be able to draw a line for what I consider the sanctity of my personal space? I believe this is an alienable right.
              To me a debit/credit card is like a hat. When I want do business I put it on my hat and wear it in public. But that is NOT who I am.
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
          What can you do when you are suddenly locked out of your 1's and 0's and have to survive while the bureaucracy works out the snafu in the e-commerce banking system? Or you say or do something and they lock you out of all your wealth without leaving their desk or making a phone call? Or some hacker or hacker group or COUNTRY knocks cripples the e-banking system and you have no way to buy food for your family?
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          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
            E-banking already exists. It's here right now. It's not an inherent part of RFID chips. If you have a bank account in the United States, then you're already using e-banking.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
              Again, there is still physical money as an alternative which is in your possession cannot be completely controlled or traced.
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              • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                Physical cash has it's advantages, sure. I'm not denying that. I just think it's kind of silly to assume the introduction of digital currency automatically means the end of physical currency. There's no reason we can't have both.
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                • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
                  I did give you that link to Sweden getting rid of the physical currency, no? Ecurrerncy saves the banks and national treasuries a lot of expense because its nothing. They will use security as the excuse, lessen crime (but they will overlook fraud, hackers, and massive thefts that go unnoticed until too late).
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                  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                    The story you provided said some people in Sweden were pushing for the elimination of physical currency, not that Sweden had ever actually followed through on the idea.

                    There was another story a little while ago about how some Socialist groups in Sweden tried to push for a guaranteed income for all Swedish citizens, but the measure was ultimately rejected by the public.

                    Just because some group petitions an idea, that doesn't automatically mean it's going to be implemented.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
      I didn't post it as factual. I posted it as a precursor to the emerging world we are being forced to live in. Whether you like it or now Maphesdeus an individuals life is continually being encroached upon by government using this type of technology. And yes there was something prophesized centuries ago about a mark of the beast where a person will not be able to buy, sell or trade. There is no "conspiracy theory garbage" when people can not see what you type on your compute as you type it, track your movements by your cellphone, computer use, and your car, where all of your activity on the web is being monitored, and in an environment where a totalitarian leaning government now had the lawful right to dictate your health decisions (enter another embedded chip). So my friend, don't be so quick to dismiss the message just because of the messenger.
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      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
        Actually, the so-called "prophecy" in the Bible was nothing more than a criticism of ancient government leaders who were alive at the time the religious priests were writing their texts. It has nothing to do with modern times. The number 666 actually refers to Nero Caesar, who was greatly disliked by the early Christian writers of the Bible. But because people in that day did not have freedom of speech, criticizing government leaders often meant imprisonment or execution. So to avoid punishment, political critics would cloak their criticisms in allegory, metaphor, and mathematical equations. That way, even if the document fell into the wrong hands, only people who understood the secret code would know what it was actually talking about. Because these ancient people used the same sets of symbols for their numbers and their letters (Greek and Hebrew, the two main languages of the Bible, both work like this), every word and name had a numerical equivalent. When you take the Greek letters of Nero Ceasar's name and add up their mathematical total, it equals 666. The great mistake of religious leaders has been to take these ancient writings and assume that they somehow predicted the future, when in reality they were just criticisms aimed at the government leaders who were ruling at the time the texts were written.

        666: The Number of the Beast - Numberphile:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkZqFtYt...
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
          I know all of what you said..which was only a small part of what I said. Care to go into the rest? The biblical number being used to prevent people from buying, selling, or trading sure aligns itself well with this tech, no? After all, ALL technology is based on numbers at their core, why not 666?
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          • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
            Hypothetically, yes, the exclusive use of electronic or digital currency could potentially allow a government agency to track everyone's purchases, as well as shut off or block an individual's ability to buy and sell in the digital marketplace. However, this potential already exists in the form of credit cards, debit cards, and electronic banking. Frankly, I don't see how taking the technology behind a debit card and implanting directly it into a person's skin changes anything. If it's the digital marketplace you're afraid of, that's already here. It's called the internet.

            You say RFID chips could allow the government to block a person from the marketplace, and I'm just pointing out they can already do that right now. All they need to do is call your bank and tell them to freeze your account. I don't see why the physical location of the microchip, whether it's in your skin or in a credit card, makes any difference.
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            • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
              http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-movin...

              The only reason they aren't now is because cash is readily available in society. Personally, I will go out of my way to pay in cash or pickup a gift card before using my debit or credit cards. Sure they can do it now through a variety of steps but there is still an alternative that they cannot track.
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              • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                So then the real issue here has nothing to do with RFID chips, but rather is simply about physical currency vs. electronic currency. That's a perfectly fine concern to have, as there are certain advantages to traditional physical money. While electronic currency does certainly make many things easier and more convenient, especially when conducting business on a global level, it also comes with its own set of risks and disadvantages. Though at the same time, something that these two articles (SHTF plan and CBS News) both overlook is the emergence of alternative digital currencies like Bitcoin, which could potentially allow an individual to circumvent the traditional "government approved" digital markets and engage in anonymous online trade under the radar. Sure, maybe the government can freeze your bank account and prevent you from buying anything using official digital dollars, but it'll be much harder for them to do anything about your secret Bitcoin account. The black market always creates ways of getting around government interference. These technologies empower the government, yes, but they empower the people, too. That's something that needs to be remembered.
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                • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
                  The larger thing to be remembered is that the consolidation of the currency into electronic units also allows for a smaller group of people to dictate your wealth and well-being without your knowledge or consent. You have no defense against something such as this AND no way to reverse it should you not appreciate it. Mind you the O-care overreach and what will in time become mandatory compliance to a variety of things under the guise of controlling costs for the government (fallacies of vision)
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                  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                    Actually, there is a defense against it, which I pointed out in my previous post above: alternative digital currencies like Bitcoin. You say that electronic currency allows a smaller group of people to dictate your wealth, and while there may certainly be that potential, there is also the potential for wealth to be controlled by individuals on a massively unprecedented scale, because this technology allows virtually anyone to establish their own digital currency, rather than currencies being the exclusive domain of the government and/or the banks. When I sit back and contemplate all the innumerable possibilities which that opens up for individual freedom and personal liberty, the sheer financial leverage which it gives individuals is absolutely astounding.
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                    • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
                      When 1's and 0's are the currency and, as you say, virtually anyone can establish their own currency, there is still the matter of worth. 1's and 0's are nothing, literally - magnetic on and off, setup in combinations to make everything digital we have today. The only value ecurrency has is its baking by something or some entity that can guarantee its worth. And tell me who can back the ecurrency used by millions, hundreds of millions, or billions of people better than a corporation or government? I think what you are thing is a romanticized contemporary barter system which would be akin to the junkbonds of the 80s. There is no presence to 1's and 0's, no weight, you can't touch it, you can't hide it under your mattress or collect it in jars. What happens when the power brokers screw the pooch again or a hacker hit net now entirely virtual monetary system and all the 1's and 0's are erased, disappear, or you are locked out of what you think is your imaginary money? More freedom? I think far less.
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                      • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                        There's always risks regardless of which route you take. And honestly, without the gold standard, there's not much difference between paper currency and electronic currency. Both are literally nothing. But wait, that's the real issue here, isn't it? The lack of a gold standard. If that's all you're concerned about, that's certainly a legitimate issue. But you should state it directly, and not go off on some technophobic tangent about the supposed "evils" of technology.
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                        • Posted by $ 10 years, 6 months ago
                          paper is in hand and does have value, for now. electronic currency is never in your hand and the spigot can be shut off at a moments notice without your consent or control.

                          Please remember I'm a sci-fi author. I'm not technophobic in the least. I'm just extraordinarily distrustful of mankind and their ability to leave me alone to pursue my happiness (as I'm entitled to via the US Constitution).
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                          • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 6 months ago
                            If you get implanted with an RFID chip, you can have electronic currency in your hand. Literally!

                            I kid, I kid. But seriously, paper money can lose its value, too. Granted, that happens for the currency itself, rather than for an individual person, but it's still an inevitability for any currency not backed by gold.

                            And like I said before, you can circumvent your bank account being frozen by utilizing alternative currencies under hidden accounts which exist outside the official banking system. Of course, this limits your purchasing power to retailers which accept the particular currency you happen to be using, but the ability to engage in commerce is still there, albeit severely limited.

                            Plus you could also potentially open new bank accounts in the official "government sanctioned" system under a new name, and convert your alternative currencies back into the official currency, possibly by funneling them through a proxy corporation of some kind.

                            No matter what kind of restrictions the government puts in place, the black market always finds a way around them.
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