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No, I Don’t Care if Cliven Bundy Is a Racist

Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 10 months ago to Politics
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 10 months ago
    "No, I Don’t Care if Cliven Bundy Is a Racist"

    I do. His comments have totally muddied up the issue and given priceless intellectual ammunition to his opponents, and you can bet they will use it with great success to smear all of his supporters regardless of their individual philosophical positions.

    How can one effectively defend the fundamental rights of a man who, according to newspaper accounts, questions whether members of an entire race might be "better off as slaves" (i.e., persons without any protected fundamental rights)?

    I think a lot of people who might have taken Bundy's side will now be turned off by his remarks. The depth of public support for a cause depends to a great extent on the overall views of its leading proponents. How effective would Ayn Rand's novels have been if her heroes' private views had been inconsistent with the philosophy she was espousing?
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    • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago
      CBJ, with respect, even if he is a die hard klansman, even if he is dead nuts guilty of what the Feds assert, is this the standard we want?

      If you owe back taxes, and we can paint you as a racists, then expect SWAT teams and gunships rather than a warrant?

      Of course the Left played the race card, it's all they have.

      And of course, Bundy muddled it up with his words, the Left expected as much.

      Is the standard now to entrap the elderly and poorly spoken?

      If so, that's not the place I grew up thinking America was.
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 10 years, 10 months ago
        As far as I can tell, no one "entrapped" Bundy. He's not all that elderly (he's 67), and appears reasonably articulate when expressing his views.

        My previous comment did not relate to the standard I want, they relate to the damage his remarks did to his own cause. Former supporters are now having to distance themselves from him and are playing defense, rather than being able to keep the public focus on government overreach.

        I probably grew up in a different America than you did - Georgia in the 1950's. Bundy's remarks reminded me of that era. No way would I want to go back.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 10 months ago
          We have no "media" in America any longer.
          We have Pravda and Izvestia.
          We have state-controlled mouth pieces.
          We have ideologues with talking points, templates, and narratives.
          Such people see a man like Cliven Bundy and are not interested in truth, they are interested in playing gotcha.

          We have no journalists, we have entrapment artists for the state.

          The take away from this is - *never again* should anyone in the Liberty movement *ever* speak to the press.
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        • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
          " Former supporters are now having to distance themselves from him"
          In the words of Yoda, "THAT is why you fail"

          WHY do they have to distance themselves from him? Just what would really happen if they instead said, "damned right!"?

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 10 months ago
    I'm unclear... is he racist because he said the word "negro" while being white, or is he racist because he hyperbolized an analogy between modern government infringements of property rights and black slavery?

    Perhaps a better analogy might have been made with the Jews fleeing Egypt, but few moderns would have the intellectual energy to try comprehending it. And forget completely an accurate and relevant comparison to Soviet slavery (which managed to kill 200 million in 70 years and I'll happily compare any excess of black slavery to what took place in the Gulag Archipelago....)

    Maybe if he'd just shouted "I'm Spartacus!" the press would have been more sympathetic. Assuming, again, that the sin was in the word "negro" and not the comparison between collectivist slavery in the 21st century to black slavery in the 19th century.
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