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Castrated, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 8 years, 8 months ago to Government
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The proper US response to the Saudi’s threat would have been the middle finger. Ever-happy-to-monetize central banks and the world’s capital markets can handle a $750 billion sale of US debt. There would be a price concession as markets soaked the Saudis, but after the sale prices would rally and there would be no permanent damage. That the US would allow itself to be threatened illustrates what happens when a confederated empire runs on borrowed money. How long can an empire last that succumbs to its creditors’ threats? (China has a lot more US government debt than Saudi Arabia.)

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  • Posted by $ HeroWorship 8 years, 8 months ago
    Entangling alliances.

    Geopolitics is an ugly game. As soon as we entered WW1 (then divvied up the Ottoman), and especially WW2, then took on the role of defending against communism, we lost our innocence. Now it is enemies of enemies and stability/overthrows. Such a sad poltical symbiosis , complete with a history that we don't want exposed. My beautiful American experiment - a Republic dedicated to liberty - too bad we couldn't keep it.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      We didn't divvy up the Middle East that was the Brits unless you are one of them referring to them. But we did much the same after in the 1990s and 2000s so I suppose it's a fair comparison.
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      • Posted by $ HeroWorship 8 years, 8 months ago
        Mostly true.

        We (USA) just helped form, legitimize, and manage the governing body that did the divvying, and authorized/voted for it. That's all. This participation multiplied after WW2, making us beloved throughout the region.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago
    Although the 28 pages might well reveal the involvement of Saudis in 9/11, it will not answer the major questions of what happened on that day or the days and months leading up to it or the probable involvement of Americans instigating and cooperating in the planned, execution deaths of some 3,000+ and the continued deaths of New Yorkers exposed to toxins of what-ever nature.

    DoD announcement on 9/10 that they couldn't account for $2.3 trillion
    Micro Nukes
    Nano-thermite
    Free falling collapse
    Bldg 7 collapse from office material fires
    Thousands of tons of concrete that magically turns to dust
    Pyroclastic flows singing parts of autos hundreds of feet from the buildings and others burned to the bare metal
    Aircraft maneuvers and speeds that far exceeded aeronautics and not repeatable by professional pilots
    No plane residue at Pentagon or Pennsylvania
    On and on, that we'll never know the truth of or will never accept. All in order to continue a belief in a country and government that we all know doesn't exist as we are raised to believe, maybe never did.
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
      From what I understand explosives were planted into the building because they knew someday it had to come down because of structural problems inherent in its design. The Charges were set to go off automatically if there was a problem.

      Building 7...same story but the Money...ah the money...was taken before they blew that building which had already been targeted for destruction...the owner should have been charged with insurance fraud...he was a political zionist or what we call a Fake Jew or Jew in name only.

      So now you know Why each building came down the way they did.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
        In other words, another possible explanation that makes at least as much sense as the horse shit the Bush administration fed the public.
        The feds have been feeding it to us since 1963 and they don't deserve to remain in the gene pool.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
          The ins gag wasn't bull crap and Bush had nothin to do with that...just splainen why the buildings came down the way they did...the evil of it was that there was still people in there.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
            Any time I mention the Bush Admin, I am not specifically saying Bush had knowledge in advance of all the actions taken. However, I do think all the statists act specifically to provide plausible deniability to those in power. I don't care how they dress it up in weasle wording. Bush's administration is culpable and the guy at the top was Bush. He is responsible.
            I have no idea what you are referring to as "ins gag". Please explain?
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            • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
              The owner of those buildings...towers and building 7 made out like a bandit...I've been searching for that article...he's the one that gave to go ahead to blow the charges in the towers and later building 7.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
      Suppose elements in the Saudi and US gov't were aware of 9/11 plan and purposely failed to act and even conspired to help the perpetrators. I've seen no evidence of that, BUT I can easily imagine it. I would not be completely shocked to learn that. It makes sense.

      All of this other stuff, though, about faking the nature of the attack does not make sense to me. The goal of the conspiracy would be to cause deaths that appear to be caused by extremists in order to get the US to respond. If they have the ability to make planes appear to crash into buildings, they don't need the high-tech bombs. Using high-tech bombs and planes makes the plan harder to execute and more likely to be found out.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago
        When the appearance of an event can only happen as it appears to, if the underlying principles of physics, chemistry, and science are contradicted--something in what one assumes from the appearance is wrong.
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        • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
          Do you have any speculation on possible motivations for a conspiracy that goes beyond looking the other way or helping the perpetrators crash planes into buildings?
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          • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 8 months ago
            False Flag
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
              "False Flag"
              Yes. That's what I meant when I said I can see elements in the Saudi and/or US gov'ts looking the other way or helping the perpetrators.

              I still do not understand the reason for multiple attack modalities. It increases the chance of the conspiracy being discovered and doesn't add much to the effect the conspirators are going for.
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          • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago
            I don't care to speculate on something like that. I simply look at the facts as we know them, compared to the nonsense fed to us by the media and government.
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            • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
              Cmon, Zen, where's your sense of adventure?
              History is replete with events like this, including recent US history. Based on that, its more likely that some in the Bush admin and in the US military knew in advance and helped it happen, if not being the origintors. Eventually the public will react violently to these pirates.
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              • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago
                free; You're right of course--but the vast majority of the population is just so ignorant of basic physics and basic propaganda tools to make it anything but a fool's errand to ever expect a significant portion, if any at all, to begin to question.

                As to speculation, that's something the manipulators and propagandists count on. We don't need to grow more weeds and bushes for facts to become more hidden in. There are enough real, factual results glaring in plain sight for me to have satisfied myself.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
                " its more likely that some in the Bush admin and in the US military knew in advance and helped it happen."
                In your and Zen's discussion, it's seems like you're conflating two independent propositions:
                1) Someone in the US gov't either new in advance or helped a plan to fly planes into buildings.
                2) The attacks weren't simply flying planes into buildings. Missiles, planted bombs, nucelar weapons, etc were also used in the attack.
                They could both be false, true, or one true and the other false.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
      Zen:
      It is tempting to believe you. But, old guys like myself want to cling to the America we were brought up to respect and love. It's not easy to let go of the Reagan vision of the shining city on the hill. We loved and had so much to love. The bravery, the patriotism, the history.
      It's hard when the child finds out his chocolate swirl in a cone is just a bunch of powdered chemicals.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 8 months ago
        Herb; I understand. The show on stage is always better if you don't look behind the curtain, and the frozen steak sandwich patty always looks and tastes better if you haven't watched and seen what they grind up to make it or add to it to make it stick together so well.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    The important thing to remember is that the biggest holder of U.S. debt is its own citizens. Through investment, we hold more than the Saudis, Chinese, and Japanese combined. We should be reminding our five and dime potentate just who he and his cronies should be most afraid of, and accommodating to.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago
      I don't see that this gives the citizens any power -- especially since the Fed has already demonstrated willingness to buy any Treasury debt that the market won't, by just pulling money out of its ass.

      "Borrow $1 and the bank owns you. Borrow $1 million and you own the bank."
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
      On all the myriad of money shows, that simple, most important fact is never http://mentioned. It makes you want to throw ice-cold water in the faces of the populace.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 8 months ago
    Let's do it and promulgate the constant war that we are in (meant facetiously). The Middle East is a cesspool, I spent numerous months there and it is not worth saving. Islam has polluted what could have been a so-so place without it. The rich British and European holiday in some places like Dubai and other places on the Gulf and other bodies of water. So, they are complicit in the farce known as the House of Saud. They are more than happy to take our dollars and pounds but would be more than happy to cut off our heads and put them on a pike. Let them lose their petro dollars as oil prices tank and keep pumping here and in Canada, let saudi rot with the rest of the Middle east as Shiite kill Sunni and vice-versa.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
    "The proper US response to the Saudi’s threat would have been the middle finger."
    I agree completely, regardless of the merits of what they're trying to push us to do.

    This case of distant people born to wealth pushing us around reminds me of the American Revolution. The colonies weren't rich and powerful. I would rather not be rich and powerful and do our own thing than be pushed around. As you suggest, not borrowing large amounts of money would make us richer and less susceptible to foreign economic pressure.

    But we'll pull up with these annoyances. Once it becomes a crisis we'll cry "hoocoodanode" and then fix it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
    We don;t need no ejukayshun is a an example with a double negative and one cry for help. Must hot have worked if they needed Obama to explain how to vote.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago
    In practical terms, the Saudis could make a similar arms deal with either Russia or China and sell their oil there instead. Neither of those regimes would put up with Saudi royalty's actions, but they make a deal to get in the door, and then break it when the time was right.
    Obama does these things because he is a traitor and Obama should be executed for it. The CIA could have that done in a couple of months and blame it on the Saudis. Of course, there might be other casualties and the truth would never be released until after the revolution, if then.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    Suffering succotash!
    How could our Eunuch-In-Chief ever bring himself to give the Saudis the middle finger?
    He has already bowed to their king!

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=o...

    I think I like this one of the above bunch best. It possesses a certain pseudo-science or something~

    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=o...
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    • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
      All those pictures show only someone's backside. It's not clear that it's Obama. I want better evidence. Some of them also reek of Photoshop. And the photo at the top of the article is not bowing, he's leaning towards the much shorter guy, probably to be better heard. And Obama has his hands held protectively in front of his balls...
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
        You saw Obama's better side, but this video is way more clear about who bowed.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd425...
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        • Posted by $ puzzlelady 8 years, 8 months ago
          Thanks, Dino. Maybe he was just bending over to see how big a diamond the King had in his ring? Otherwise it is an atrocious error in protocol, and his diplomatic advisors should be flogged. Miss Manners should have something to say about this. Many years ago she reprimanded one of our diplomats (female) for curtseying to the Queen.
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          • Posted by H2ungar123 8 years, 8 months ago
            Not to mention Mickey's wife Minnie wearing a
            sweater when greeting Queen Elizabeth and
            actually touching the Queen! An absolute
            no-no. But this is low-class, no-class behav-
            iour from our WH squatters. No surprise there!
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
            You're pretty sharp not to accept what Obama likes to show when you could not see his face. That news story must have gotten by you.
            On the other hand, the video was the first thing I saw when Fox News and only Fox News reported the bowing just to have White House spin lies about it.
            Anyway, that's why I did not even think to look for Obama's photoed face on the photo page. and paid little attention to the comic doctored stuff.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 8 months ago
    excellent background article...one of the first lessons i learned in econ was ...always follow the money...money talks...people walk to the tune of the debt holder...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
    While the vast majority of your article is true, particularly the history up until the last decade or so, Saudi Arabia is changing considerably in ways that we would like to see, albeit more slowly than we would like. Having taught a few hundred Saudi students, there are quite a lot of them who embrace engineering and entrepeneurship. They have expanded their business beyond refineries and petrochemicals in recent years as well. The wisdom in doing so has mitigated what could have been a much more financially unstable situation there this year. If you treat Saudis as the individuals that they are, you will be surprised how much like us that many of them are. While we will never have Objectivism in common with them, the Saudis are developing into respectable trading partners with whom value-for-value exchange is possible.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      My criticism was directed at the Saudi Arabian government and the House of Saud.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago
        While I share your views about the Saudi Arabian government and the House of Saud, Saudi Arabia is advancing culturally about as much as the House of Saud can permit without collapsing their power. I am not saying they should be able to wield such power, but as with Syria and several other Muslim countries, too quick an upheaval may result in a worse situation for us and the Muslim people than allowing unlimited freedom to a society not ready yet for it.
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