Recommended Reading: Merchants of Despair, by Robert Zubrin

Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago to Books
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Bob Zubrin covers the march from Malthus to modern Climate Change proponents brilliantly, with extensive references.
SOURCE URL: http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/merchants-of-despair-robert-zubrin/1102507586?ean=9781594037375


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    "Antihumanism." Great world for people being a "cancer" of the earth or what Mr. Smith in The Matrix called "parasites." (Psst, Matrix 3 sucks).
    This subjective notion that humanity does not have the right to exist on their own planet is at the core of a lefty econazi's oppressive control freak motivations. .
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
      You know they are wacked when they value a "Rock" more than they value Conscious Human Life.
      If the mirror the look at every morning actually reflected the truth they would realize that they are the problem and somewhere in the past missed the boat entirely.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
    I read his book Entering Space ten years ago. One thing he said stands out to me. There are many dim stars in the sky whose distance we haven't measured. Low-brightness stars are more common. So maybe one of those stars in the sky is actually a dim star much closer than the nearest known star outside our solar system, Alpha Centauri. Maybe there's a star system we could reach in a practical amount of time. I love the notion.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 8 years, 8 months ago
      I read his book - The Case for Mars, loved it, and very much common sense-oriented. He criticized the NASA method of going to Mars as Battle Star Galactica to pick up some rocks, plant a flag, and come home after a couple of days. He calls for sending small supply ships in advance, manufacturing rocket fuel on the surface of Mars with a refinery sent in advance (we know the raw materials are there), send habitats in advance with supplies to cultivate crops and extract water from the soil & atmosphere, then 'live off the land' until the orbital window returns for a low-energy return flight. His argument is pretty sound - when we went to the new world, when we went west, when we went to Alaska, we lived off the land and we didn't come back. Many starved, many died, but we persevered and that pioneering spirit still exists.

      Don't dink around with cultivating ridiculous levels of organic engineering degrees mixed with flight physics, send greater numbers of people that are entrepreneurial problem solvers - the same ones that mined for silver and gold. Yes, it's a hostile environment, but was the Yukon any less so? How about the first person to reach the North Pole or the first person to cross Antarctica. Now we have people that live in Antarctic habs year-round, in greater numbers than you might think - 1000s actually, and they range from climate scientists to the power generation technicians and engineers to the people running the snack bars. You can't leave the hab in Antarctica either about 9 months out of the year.

      Eventually, we will build enough infrastructure on Mars that we won't need to come back or send more supplies, but you have to take the first step forward and 'begin'.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
        I agree with all of this except the suggestion that Antarctica is an environment as hostile as Mars.
        -The near vacuum, with no O2 in its thin atmosphere
        -No protection against radiation
        -Those sands of iron "fines" that can blow around and cause problems with equipment,
        -The gravity well

        I see Mars a muchmore hostile environment than even the waters under the polar ice cap on Earth.

        I still agree with your notions of hard-working entrepreneurial people living off the land. I'm just saying it will be very difficult.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 8 months ago
      Bob was my "frienemy" when he was the team leader of Pioneer Rocketplane, and we were both competing to establish suborbital space tourism. Brilliant guy, dreamed up the "Mars First" concept of delivering the infrastructure for a Mars colony before sending people. He's also a proponent of methanol as an alternative fuel, and has well-founded technical and economic analysis to back it.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
        So you're a rocket scientist? Cool.

        I remember him calling it Mars Direct, and Mars First was the nationalist political party on Mars in KSR's Mars triology. I remember thinking I'm not knowledgeable about whether we should skip putting a base on the Moon or in orbit first, but it rings true because I think space itself is harsher than Earth's gravity well.
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