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"I would like to restore your right to drink raw milk anytime you like." - Ron Paul

Posted by GaltsGulch 8 years, 8 months ago to The Gulch: General
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"I would like to restore your right to drink raw milk anytime you like." - Ron Paul


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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
    Let me explain that remark. The federal government won't even let States let their residents drink raw milk from wherever they please to get it, or let most stores sell it. Different States have different philosophies. Of course you're allowed to keep a cow, milk it, and enjoy the product. This has led to the formation of "cow cooperatives," whose members technically jointly own the cow(s) and get the milk from them, in return for paying up-front for the roughage, the pasturing, and all the other expenses.

    The only reason most milk sold in stores must be heat-treated ("pasteurized") is that large dairy farms typically are not sanitary in their milking operations. They leave the milking-machine intakes drag the ground, for instance--and you can imagine the contamination that can then result. And all the milk goes into the same truck. Nobody enforces anything remotely like a standard of cleanliness.

    The problem: milk has good germs in it, and when you heat-treat it, you kill off the good with the bad. This is a classic baby-and-bathwater toss.

    So what Rep. Paul is saying is that people everywhere should be able to get their milk, heat-treated or not, as they wish, and rely on the reputation of the store for cleanliness and avoidance of contamination. In short, Rep. Paul wants to restore freedom to the milk market, so that small-scale dairy farmers can deliver a clearly superior product and compete effectively with the Big Boys who always seem better able, in terms of unit cost, to comply with "regulations."
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
      "The only reason most milk sold in stores must be heat-treated ("pasteurized") is that large dairy farms typically are not sanitary in their milking operations."

      You must live in a different area than I do. Dairy farmers wherever I have lived have taken great pains to clean their equipment before, during, and after use. Standard procedure is to clean the udders thoroughly before every milking - which can be three times a day. The truckers who haul the milk also clean out their trailers as part of unloading - both inside and out. I'm sorry your neck of the woods has different standards.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 8 months ago
        My fathers best friend ran a dairy farm all his life. The milking barn was one of the cleanest places I have ever been, every time I was in it.

        They cleaned the barn before and after every milking.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 8 months ago
      Since raw milk contains many more bacteria than does heat treated milk, do not expect to not have it cost more overall. It spoils much quicker than treated milk so there is more disposal of milk and the requirement of purchasing it more often.
      Look into the deaths due to raw milk, especially in the first part of the 1900s in Ireland and England where over 60000 died from TB from raw milk. Raw milk causes the most food born illnesses and a couple hundred hospitalizations a year with some deaths.
      Of course that does not mean that government should stop anyone from drinking it or producing it or suing the producer who claims it was good to drink when it was not.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    If you live long enough, I guess you have all kind of experiences that strangely become appropriate in different situations. When I was 19, I had a brand new Ford Mainline 4door (their cheapest model) whose down payment I made with $400 in quarters and half dollars. I decided to travel the USA that summer. The damn thing broke down in South Dakota right outside a privately owned dairy farm. The owner hauled my car into his barn in which he had just about every tool needed to fix anything with a gasoline engine. Long story short, I visited his milking barn. It was 3/4 machine and 1/4 hand milking. And it was Clean. I mean really clean. Excessively clean. By the way,he and one other man and his teen age son ran the whole place, milking, delivering, growing feed and food and livestock for the family. Talk about your work ethic. And by the way, he fixed my car after he finished his 6 am breakfast. (Loose distributor cap).
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
    How about let's add to it:

    - The right to drive your car and pickup whomever you would like for whatever price you agree on without getting a taxi license?
    - The right to use your home to board any random person who needs a place to stay without getting a hotel license and paying the exhorbitant fees?
    - The right to be in business without an annual license? )If a business wants to pay for certifications or associations to improve their brand, that's free, but not mandatory.)
    - The right to do what I want with my own money and not have it confiscated and given to other people!
    - The right to give to my children the fruits of my labors - whatever they may be - without inheritance taxes!

    Should I keep going? There is too much money-grubbing in government today...
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 8 months ago
      Are you talking about Uber, AirBnB, etc.?
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      • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
        Among other things. I go back and look at census records and it was only around WW II that people were prohibited from being "boarders" - meaning that you paid someone to stay in their home. Non-coincidentally, that was about the same time that the hotel industry sprung up and government started taxing and regulating the crap out of it. You can look at just about any line of business and find all kinds of regulations and laws designed just to make it hard for people to start their own businesses or to conduct business between two willing parties without a lot of red tape.
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      • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 8 months ago
        One major problem is that too many already have their lips firmly locked on the government tit, and don't want to play in the wild and wooly world of free enterprise.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      I agree totally. In Las Vegas (Clark county) one can't do ANY business unless it fits into one of the prescribed categories and your business license is approved BEFORE you can open and passes an inspection of your already improved facilities. How about that for restricting new things. Airbnb was illegal here until very recently as was uber and Lyft
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    I agree, but is this really what Paul wants to spend his effort on? It might be used as part of a broader example of government over reach and a need for say the REINS Act or my improved version entitled the Regulatory Bill of Rights, but as a stand alone issue it is nonsense.
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    • Posted by tkstone 8 years, 8 months ago
      I am sure it is intended to point to a broader principle, but I disagree that as a stand alone issue it is nonsense. There are many reasons that raw milk supporters lobby for their right to be left alone, Whether you agree with the practice or not does not negate the principle of deregulation as being in our interest.
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