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Ted Cruz: "By Far the Best Viable Candidate"

Posted by $ bigjim 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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This is an excellent analysis of Ted Cruz's positions.
SOURCE URL: https://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2016/04/ted-cruz-for-president/


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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    To reiterate what I've said before: Cruz is not the perfect candidate by Objectivist standards. There is no one who has a chance of being elected who is However, I estimate he is approximately 65% congruent with Objectivist standards and that is far and away better than either Trump or Kasich.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      He is a southern preacher, thumping the bible and constitution while he does his share of sneakiness (the pictures of Trumps wife to make trump look bad and then not even apologizing after the fact). He is a career politician who just whines on and on. Its tiring. He would make a terrible communicator- people will just turn him off
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    Thanks for posting...I am aware of Teds thoughts and accomplishments, I have observed him for a couple of years now, among others and I do agree, he is the only "Viable"! candidate.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 8 months ago
    The man is a bit of a religious nut to be frank. The only candidate speaking overall sense is Gary Johnson among the libertarians in this crazy season.

    I have limited respect for that publication. The author banned em form commenting for intelligent careful questioning of premises evident in some of the articles.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Is he religious? Yes. He admits that. But he is not a nut about it. A religious nut would never make the comments, or display the behavior that Cruz has of putting the Constitution first when it comes to politics.

      And the most important word in the quote that I included in the title is "viable." Which Johnson definitely is not.
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      • Posted by $ sjatkins 8 years, 8 months ago
        He attends events by very extreme religious folks. He has said some things about Christ overruling the Constitution that are problematic. He is a social conservative on religious grounds. He believes in using the power of the government to force those views on others.

        Johnson is way more across the board sensible. Whether he or any 3rd party candidate can get elected is another question and perhaps what you in part mean by "viable".
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          I'm not aware of Cruz saying that his Christianity would overrule the Constitution in any way or that he would force his religious views on anyone politically. As a matter fact, he's said exactly the opposite. If you can provide some examples of that I would like to see it.

          And, umm yes. Electability, 3rd party or otherwise, is what I meant by viable.
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          • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
            Example: Abortion. There is not a word in the Constitution about it. I suspect the origin of Cruz' views is religion. Am I wrong about that?
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
              But your "example" is an issue. Not Cruz's views or policies on it. Has he said that he is going to try to force his views on abortion on everyone? Please let me know where and I will objectively consider it.

              My guess would be that he would like to see Roe v Wade overturned, as would I because it is bad law, and the issue returned to the states. That's generally the conservative view.

              Since you didn't give any examples of Cruz's views on abortion I'm not sure what you're asking me that you are wrong about.
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              • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
                Sorry I was too unspecific. I thought that Cruz wants to make abortion illegal based upon his religious belief that abortion is immoral and that it is the role of government to forcibly intercede in the woman's decision and prohibit abortion in most cases. Am I wrong about that?
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
                  Why are you asking me if you're wrong? Go find out if you are wrong or right. You're making accusations with no evidence or references.

                  I haven't specifically looked at his views on abortion. I will do that also.
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                  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
                    I thought you might know because you have explicitly taken the affirmative position that Cruz would not "force his religious views on anyone politically" and then asked for an example to the contrary. I gave one. You now claim ignorance and improperly attempt to shift the burden to me.
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                    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
                      I'm sorry. I missed the example. I saw you mention a subject but not provide any evidence to back it up. And said you think that's what he wants. You should make the effort to inform yourself on your opinions about someone. I didn't bring up abortion and gays. You did. I said I would inform myself.

                      I provided an article by a credible author that outlined detailed analysis of Cruz's positions. I'm not sure that you read it.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
                      As for me I don't care. All you are arguing about is to choose or not choose the lesser of four evils. Since that IS the case the rest is bull shit. Quibbling about that which matters had it's place and neither recognized nor supported. It was ignored. So shut up and get with the program. Nobody gives a good damn about your finely tuned feelings on this or that anymore. You choose to shit can all of that crap when you chose to vote for a Republican AKA the right wing of the left wing.

                      So here's what you do. Form ranks and anti TrumpClintonSanders front. In the end if you are brave enough which I suspect you are not...in the end you may get Cruz in office. IF Cruz gets his head out of his ass and moves to gain a ton of votes from the disenfranchised 46% He won't get it picking another RINO for VP etc. Somehow I don't think 'Cruz will get his head out of his ass.

                      Anything less means the LEFT wins with either Trump, Clinton or Sanders. Try not to fuck it up again.
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                      • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
                        I find your remarks and choice of language offensive. And I don't know where you got the idea that I ever "chose to vote for a Republican." Don't bother to apologize.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
              Of course his view is religiously-originated. And you are free to disagree. You are free to vote for the candidate of your choice and base your decisions on whatever topics your choose in whatever order and priority you choose.

              For me, Cruz is the only one (still left) who is doing what I want in my President: acknowledging that his authority to act comes from the specific powers enumerated in the Constitution of the United States. I note specifically that he always says he will act with Congress to get things done - he never uses an excuse to pull out his "pen and phone". Every other candidate sees Executive Orders as the way for the President to get around a Constitutional separation of powers which are there to prevent the Executive from becoming a Monarchy.

              Cruz is also the only candidate to have argued cases before the Supreme Court - and won - in defense of both the First and Second Amendments. This is what I want from my President - to be someone so steeped in the Constitution that they know, understand, and most of all appreciate the Constitution and its original intent. It's been a very long time since our nation has enjoyed the leadership of such an one as that.
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        • Posted by IamTheBeav 8 years, 8 months ago
          Like bigjim, I'd like to see documented examples of Ted Cruz saying that his faith supercedes the Constitution. I doubt you'll find any.

          Frankly, I have always imagine Cruz as being personally very conservative as it relates to social issues and very liberal (Constitutionally minded) as it relates to enforcing governmental policy onto others.

          An example of this is how Ted Cruz speaks about the issue of gay marriage. It's obvious from his tone that he is personally opposed to the idea, but every word he has ever said about it is rooted in the 10th Amendment. When the Supreme Court decided to legalize gay marriage across the board, Cruz never said that gay marriage was wrong in his opposition to that SCOTUS decision. What he said is that 5 unelected/unaccountable judges just acted against the individual states' rights to decide on the issue. The 10th Amendment basically says that those rights/powers/etc. not specifically spelled out in the Constitution for the federal government are reserved specifically for the states and the citizens. Gay marriage as an issue has failed every single time at the ballot box regardless of whether you're talking liberal California or socially conservative Utah. Not once, ever in any state has legalizing gay marriage won the majority of the popular vote, yet the Supreme Court acted directly against the wishes of the people to govern themselves, If you ever listen to Ted speak on this particular issue and listen to the exact words that he uses, his opposition to the SCOTUS decision is always based on the 10th Amendment and never his own moral compass.

          Personally, I could care less about that particular issue, as I believe government should have no business is sanctioning the relationships between consenting adults, straight, gay or whatever. I simply use this example to illustrate how Ted Cruz thinks as it relates to governance. He may have a personal opinion on a subject, but he would govern with the Constitution in the forefront of his mind, not his Bible.

          Like Ted, I will use my Bible for guidance in my own life, and I would use the Constitution for guidance in governmental policy.

          Anyway, if you have examples showing the opposite, I'd like to see them, but for now, I am pretty skeptical when you say, "He is a social conservative on religious grounds. He believes in using the power of the government to force those views on others."
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          • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago
            How does the 10th Amendment supercede the 14th? States' rights do not override individual rights. Cruz appears to be selective regarding which portions of the Constitution he defends.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      Cruz is a religious zealot. Only god knows what he will be told in the middle of the night in some communication with his version of god
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
        Again, can you please provide some examples of his "zealotry?" I understand that you don't care for his religious views. I have not seen evidence that he has or has said he will be guided by that in his duties as president.

        Just tossing out the cliche doesn't prove anything.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
          He wanted gays out of the military, and is pro life an against same sex marriage, for religious reasons not based on individual rights.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
            References please! Evidence. Your opinion, which is all this is until it is backed up, doesn't add anything to the conversation.

            Is he pro life to the extent that he will use his power as president to use the federal government to force people to conform to his views? That I would be against. But I have not heard him say that.
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
              To be honest, they say so many things that its hard to actually pin them down. I heard the issue of the gays in the military and the same sex marriage in one of the debates. He is pro life, but I cant say whether he would use the office of president to affect that much. I do think that if the idea of preventing abortion gained traction, he would be right there pushing it and his push would be for religious reasons, not human rights reasons.
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
                I've never understood where a "right" to an abortion comes from. Thin air apparently in the Roe v Wade decision. He thinks that abortion should be a decision left to the states, and not the federal government. It remains to be seen if he bases that on religion.

                Not sure about his stance on gays in the military. That's such a stupid issue anyway.
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                • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
                  I believe abortion fell under the right of privacy, but I'm sure attny's here in the gulch could clarify better than I. But even Ginsberg is apparently on record (as are many legal scholars) that Roe v. Wade was a terrible decision from a legal perspective and is widely considered judicial activism. Many feel it should be, and remain, a state's issue to decide.

                  As to gays in the military, I would suggest that it is not a stupid issue - if you are in the military. Unit cohesion is not a "stupid issue" and gays and females in active combat roles have a significant impact on that cohesion, as I'm told by those who have walked in combat boots, so I take them at their word.
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                • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
                  A right to an abortion does seem a bit odd. I am not sure its a 'right" at all. One could argue I suppose that once a fetus becomes a self sustaining baby, IT has a right to exist and not be killed. I am not a woman, and really am not the one to weigh in on this one. Cruz is definitely a bit heavy on the religion stuff, so I would expect he would lean towards the religious view of this and other things.

                  Gays, women, straights, blacks, orientals, etc in the military seems to be a military decision to fight the wars best. If the president says anything at all on this, it should be that the purpose of the military is to defend and the best defense is what they should be looking it. Weighing in on gays seems to be beside the point, although again, I think his religious leanings are coming into play
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
    Cruz started turning me off, about the same time my pick, Rubio, started doing likewise.Kasick is the handmaiden of the establishment, and took about $700,000 in funding from Soros. My real issue with Cruz is wife Heidi! If she is for the North American Unions, and okay with making Mexico, US and Canada one without borders, how can Cruz actually be for all he says he is for?They all seem to be going too much Bush/Romney, and that is bad for us.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
      My wife doesn't love guns and is quite philanthropic. She could easily be found quoting that we should support the less needy, or that we should limit the 2nd Ammendment. However, I do not. I understand seeing ones spouse as an indication of ones views, but not as "the" measure of them.
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      • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
        Heidi Cruz would have a national stage as First Lady, remember Mrs. Roosevelt, or Hillary stirring up race wars on her own? Besides that, Cruz has not been exactly transparent about what he believes when, whose to say he does not hold similar, yet unexpressed views not made public? I did not expect him to gall to the nasty in the mud remarks either. If Mrs. Cruz sits on committees and has friends who are one worlders, enough for CFR nomination by a World Bank official, those are the people with whom the couple will associate. If they were a private couple, okay, but she will have the spotlight and influence if he becomes president. What would Rand say?
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
          Which potential first lady do you like?
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          • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
            Frankly, I have not found a candidate I feel is straight with us. I would prefer his wife had true pro-capitalism and loyalty to the US as traits. I have had enough of Michelle and her spend our money for vacations while bad-mouthing the US. If she had a passion for something that supported our economy (not one world), stood for dismantling the Dept. of Ed., or promoted bringing people together to be producers. Not too much to ask for the position! We do not elect First Ladies (not always a fitting title), but we do have to put up with them and the damage they can do via influence. My favorites of the past: Jackie Kennedy (intelligent, cultured, promoted history. Also, Nancy Reagan, also a lady, supportive of her husband and the USA.
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
              Ok, I go back to "Cruz is the best, potentially viable candidate".
              Just saying "they all suck" is not a vote and abstinence is irresponsible, unless we really have a Gulch.
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              • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
                Absolutely, we all have to vote, but we have until the general election to thoroughly continue to watch and research the candidates. As you recall, no was was doing that during either Obama election. The information was there, if you put forth the energy to find it, the history of Marxism, the ties to domestic terrorists, the connections to Alinsky and Soros. Now that a lot of us have had our primaries, we must continue to be sure all the campaign rhetoric has a basis in reality. As I recall, Obama promised the most "transparent" presidency ever - how'd that turn out! I worked in a Congressional office for a time, I tend to be less trusting and know the games. All we can do is try to find the man who most likely will keep his promises. I have already ruled Kasich as a player and one funded in part by Soros.Who knows who the convention will throw at us, but Jeb is a deal breaker with his one-world, pro-Common Core beliefs. Cruz is in the running, Trump still somewhat risky, but the convention could throw us someone else altogether.We'd better anticipate and research.
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                • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
                  First, I thought we were talking about the primary. You still have to pick someone.
                  You really believe the convention put up a new candidate? C'mon. Romney? Gary Johnson? Those mainstream clowns would probably all go for Jeb.
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                  • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
                    We already had our primary here, we went for Cruz after my first choice of Rubio was already out. Yes, I can see the clowns going for Jeb, or Romney, maybe Ryan. The CFR had long ago declared they wanted Jeb.I really think they would rather lose to Hillary than risk anyone shaking the boat and their power deals.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      How does her opinion ....let me back up. She says therefore he is to be faulted? She can't have an opinion without him paying a price? Strange....
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      • Posted by $ Stormi 8 years, 8 months ago
        Ted Cruz has not exactly stuck to one thing, nor has he been consistently Objectivist. If he were, then he might be less apt to waffle to his wife's side. We cannot dismiss who a person associates with completely when we are giving them a national platform, including the wife. If people had paid more attention to Obama's closeness with Ayers, nor his wife's American-hating comment, we might have avoided a lot of damage to our economy. If you notice, he really does not want let anyone talk about his wife, maybe for fear of them seeing into that relationship and any damaging unstated loyalties.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    I have to say that I have grown increasingly uninterested in Cruz for the following reasons:
    1) He preaches to me, which I dont appreciate
    2) He seems to be reading from a script from his handlers with talking points. After he delivers one that gets applause, he has this strange smile- as if he was really in it for the power. Creepy.
    3) He is heavy duty into this "Destroy Trump" thing. I dont like the attempts to destroy another candidate instead of sticking to what HE can do. Its as if Trump threatens his potential power grab, and I dont like that.
    4) Maybe he doesnt like Trump, but he shows no respect for him. I mean, Trump is a legitimate candidate spending his OWN money. Cruz spends other peoples' money and has no right to denigrate another candidate like that.
    5) I dont believe Cruz didnt know about the pictures of Trump's wife being put out there to make Trump's candidacy look bad. I never heard any disavowing of them later either, or apology that they were put up there on his behalf. That makes me think of Cruz as a sneaky bastard who then lies about it. Do we really want another Nixon?
    6) I just cant see Cruz getting any respect from other countries as our president. Something about him just has no class. Even though people seem to hate Trump, he has the class and attitude when it comes to dealing with foreign countries.
    7) Cruz has no appreciation for other candidates spending their OWN money and time to run for an office like President. Cruz is just another career politician who is spending OUR money as senator to run for president- and he spends that time dumping on other candidates??
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    • Posted by jpellone 8 years, 8 months ago
      Trump started the mud slinging way before Sen. Cruz responded. If you go to Trumps website you will find a donate button so he is not self funding his campain.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
        Cruz is a religious zealot who is arrogant and sneaky. I dont make those charges lightly. I have watched him on debates and interviews. He was 99% behind the pictures of Trump's wife being distributed. I dont buy the idea it was someone else and he didnt know. If that was true, why didnt he disavow and disapprove of the pictures after they came out. He wanted to disparage Trump by using his wife as the tool.

        That is sneaky. Trump should have just stuck to this argument and not posted the picture of Cruz's wife. But, I can understand his upset with dragging the wife into the campaign (she is not being elected for anything).

        Cruz also had something to do with leaking out Carson was dropping out of the race, conveniently n the night before a big primary battle. Another sneaky move.

        Candidates have to disclose the "gifts" they get. I see nothing for Trump disclosed, so I conclude its a trivial amount, and certainly not anywhere to the extent Cruz has made back door deals.

        I would NEVER vote for Cruz, Rubio, or Hillary under any circumstances at all. I wouldnt be upset if Kasich got nominated, but I wouldnt pick him as my president. I dont think I would ever vote for Romney after seeing how sneaky he is, and I am not sure about Paul Ryan after he rammed through that last big spending bill.

        My interest in Trump for 4 years (only) is that he is anti establishment and will bring to light anything he sees- without political correctness. That is a good thing that we need. He speaks out and antagonizes the establishment, but in the quiet of the oval office I think he will consider the governmental issues as carefully as he considers his business issues. He is not an idiot and he wont let people tell him what to think.

        Hillary on the other hand is bought and paid for by her supporters. She is a chameleon who flaps in the wind according to the political winds of the moment. Sanders is a nice old man who has VERY messed up ideas and would not get anywhere as president at this time in our history (give him maybe 4-8 years from now, and socialism will be rampant and he might get somewhere)
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 8 months ago
    Hello bigjim,
    It is good to hear from you. The implications of "viability" are most distressing and always inescapable.. Setting aside his particular shortcomings, which no candidate is without, he is the least objectionable among those that have fair odds at being elected. If one is to vote adhering strictly to objectivist principles there is no one with clean hands. If your objective is to vote for the least pain (lesser of two evils) and for a candidate with a chance to win. Then Ted is probably the one for you.
    I respect any vote based on reason and self interest, even if only short term, far more than one based purely on emotion and envy. It may not be objective, but it is the world we live in. A is A.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Thanks for your reply, OA. My objective at this point is to vote for the person who has exhibited that he will uphold the constitution and the principles of freedom, liberty and limited government.
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
    I think the issue that everyone is missing, including the professional pundits, and why I am in such a muddle over who to vote for in the primary is that we live in a Kardashian-esque Twitterverse. It is why Trump's campaign has been so successful so far, because he's been running his campaign to cater to the micro-attention spans people have. And why I fear that any D candidate will likely beat Cruz in a general -- because he is SO DIS-LIKEABLE ! Regardless that I'm in agreement with most of his positions, I can't even stand the guy ! So if I, as a political ally feel this way, how on earth will political opponents feel about voting for him ?! I'm very torn about voting for who I think will be most likely to win a general election or most likely to be a good, lawful president. And unfortunately I don't think they are one in the same.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
      Polling, however, (if you believe it) has Cruz beating either Sanders or Hillary in a popular election. While Trump still defeats Bernie, he loses badly to Hillary. I don't place a lot of stock in the polls, but I do view them as a better indicator of performance than personal opinion in general.

      In either case, until the Primary nominee is selected, the General election is a moot point. I will wait until then to worry about it.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
        I think that polls are tilted to fit who is taking the poll. I say "in the quiet of the voting booth", voters will make their final choice. Probably going to be Trump vs the establishment career politicians.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    It is interesting that while the media hammers Trump for stating he would bomb the s__t out of ISIS, they let Cruz "carpet bomb" statements pass. When Trump wouldn't respond to a leading question about whether he would use nuclear weapons in the Middle East, the interviewers said "See, he's going to use nukes!" Yet Cruz can talk about "making the sand glow," which is an obvious inference about using nukes, and again gets a pass.

    Once a candidate starts getting positive media strokes, even when they make outrageous statements, I get suspicious. It appears that the GOP establishment is holding its gorge, reluctantly, holding out the hope Cruz can stop Trump.

    The issue of "natural born" is not a dead issue regarding Cruz, and you can bet the DNC is going to leap on it like a demon if he's the GOP candidate. His wife's connection to Goldman Sachs is a rich target for Bernie Sanders, if he's the Democrat candidate, and even if Hillary is the one, super-Pacs will unload on that subject.

    Ted Cruz has a delivery style of an evangelical Baptist minister delivering a hellfire and brimstone sermon. Maybe my disgust with pious hypocrites and my rejection of the Baptist church as a young teen clouds my judgement, but I think he would make many less conservative voters uncomfortable.

    Cruz may look better than the Trump circus, or the "undead" Kasich campaign, but it's hard for me to picture him as the only viable candidate.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    I voted for Cruz in the Alabama primary. Since then he's been turning me off.
    First he blames Trump for creating trouble that was plain as a sunny day created, bought and paid for by George Soros and MoveOn,OrganizedCommies.
    Then Cruz throws mud after (at least) his own people started the put down the wife distraction.
    I just may write in John Galt during the general election or vote for that libertarian what's-his-name.
    Won't really matter due to where I live. The Birmingham area of red state Alabama votes blue.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
      Gary Johnson. By the way, USA Today states in today's issue that a recent Monmouth poll of general election voters gives Johnson 11% of the vote agains Clinton and Trump despite the fact that 75% do not yet know him well enough to express and opinion!
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 8 months ago
    I'm half-expecting that the whole election process will collapse this year. And maybe that's the best thing that could happen.

    Trump is beginning to lose support, so Cruz may catch up in delegates before the convention, but neither will have the required 1237. Then the Repuglican establishment will step in and start pulling strings at the convention to take the nomination away from Trump and Cruz, then substitute some RINO. Then the 65% of Republican voters that voted anti-establishment will take a walk, and either not vote, or vote Libertarian.

    On the Dimocrat side, Bernie will keep beating Shrillary, just because she's such a total liar and drips insincerity from every pore. But the Dimocrat establishment will keep Shrillary pumped up by awarding her super-delegates so she gets the nomination. Then when the FBI makes a criminal referral to the inJustice Department over her mishandling of classified data, her candidacy may be over. (Just maybe. The Dimocrats may try to figure out a way to run a federal criminal for president.)

    Then what happens when neither the Repuglicans nor the Dimocraps can field a decent, honest, viable candidate with a clearly stated program of reform and the work history to actually put it into practice? Maybe We The People should petition for "NONE OF THE ABOVE" to be added to every ballot. If "NONE OF THE ABOVE" wins, it's time for a Constitutional Convention.
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  • Posted by gsaunder 8 years, 8 months ago
    Mr. Cruz is a fine man and an excellent debater. Unfortunately, "The Great Communicator", he is not. I understand that this shouldn't matter, but it does: Ted comes across as a mix between a 1980's televangelist and some who was voted as "most likely to wear wingtips shoes at the beach". The art of persuasion requires a little salesmanship. I am not sold.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      Neither am I. For all the hate that surrounds Trump, he IS a good communicator and actually did something with his life. People are so concerned that he just tells it like he sees it, but whats wrong with that for a change? I am 100% positive that when it comes to actual business transactions, he is VERY thoughtful and decisive after getting all the facts. I think he would do far better than our other alternatives.

      I have to give Trump credit for spending his own money to run for president , and stand up for us citizens who are tired of the standard career politicians who lie and manipulate and take money from companies in exchange for favors. The job of president of the USA is a shit job, where people are always after you to make you look bad. Just look at the people who exit the job- they look very aged !!! If Trump is willing to do this, I have to applaud him.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
    Just one problem: he's not eligible to the office. He doesn't meet Emmerich de Vattel's definition, which he gave in The Law of Nations, of a "natural born citizen." To be that, one must be born in-country (or on-station in the case of a parent in the military or diplomatic service) to two citizen parents. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary, Alberta, Canada, to a Cuban national and an American mother--and his birth place was not the American consulate in Alberta, and his mother was not the consul or any other diplomatic officer.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      I think its important to have a president who is part of the American culture, not Cuba's or Canada's. We deviated from that with Obama and now with Cruz. Are these the ONLY people who have the administrative abilities to be president????
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      • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago
        No, we can also choose a natural born citizen and former Secretary of State who is part of the American culture . . . of corruption.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
          There is Trump, who at least is honest and tells it like it is and isnt a career politician. He would be good for us for the next 4 years. The establishment hates him, and thats a plus for me. I am tired of lying and manipulative career politicians beholden to their contributors.
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          • Posted by jpellone 8 years, 8 months ago
            Is Trump really honest??? I don't know. Will he return to his liberal ways if elected? I don't know. Is it worth taking a chance?
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            • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
              The options are somewhat limited with our election rules. Of the available choices, he has the best shot at beating Hillary, who is a known evil. If the others cant beat Trump in the primaries, how will they beat hillary in november?
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
      You are welcome to file a lawsuit to challenge his eligibility if you like. Trump threatened to as well, then failed to pull the trigger. Given his litigious past and what he has to gain by eliminating his chief political rival, I have to question why he didn't. I can only conclude that his lawyers had already looked at it and determined they didn't have a case.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
        Am I really so welcome? The courts would likely deny me standing. The courts assiduously and adroitly refuse to recognize any injury-in-fact that occurs to any person as a result of allowing someone to stand for election as President who is ineligible to the office.

        Part of the problem is that Presidential electors, bound as they are to vote for a certain candidate, are little more than walking, talking checkboxes. Back in the George Washington elections, electors were unbound, uncommitted, and free to vote as they pleased--subject to Article II Section 1 Clause 5. That was the enforcement mechanism.

        Technically, a United States Senator could sign off on a written challenge to Cruz' or Rubio's election at the time of the opening of the ballots.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
          You probably would be denied standing if you filed suit in a court other than that of your home state in which you were a registered voter. As to whether or not a Court allows standing, generally, the complaint must be filed with the Secretary of State or other elected official who is charged with certifying the eligibility of the candidates.

          Electors are bound by the rules of their respective States. Some States still allow Electors to vote however they choose, but most don't. A few require that their Electors vote in proportion to the popular vote obtained in those states, but most require the Electors to vote entirely for the candidate who wins the popular vote. Whether or not this is Constitutional is perhaps a subject for another post. Remember, originally, the President was supposed to be elected by the States and the Electors were agents of the State. The Twelfth Amendment is responsible for making the President a popular vote decision, so you would be debating it as well.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
            Yes, I am debating that. I would like to see Presidential Electors run for the office under their own names, and to have the voters judge them by the content of their own character, not their pledge, nor even their inclination, to prefer one candidate for the office of President over another.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
              That would be interesting. I'm still mulling over the logistics and effects, length of term, etc. of such a proposal. As it seems you have already put substantial effort into such, if you feel inclined to share your ideas I'm sure we would both profit.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
      Vattel's definition was not incorporated into the Constitution either expressly or by reference nor even mentioned during the constitutional debates. In fact, the Naturalization law of 1790 expressly contradicts Vattel's definition and many of the signers of the Constitution voted for that bill. Cruz is eligible because his mom was a U.S. citizen living outside the U.S. at the time of his birth. Just like Goldwater, McCain, Romney (George) and Obama (if you believe Trump).
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      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
        I beg to differ. John Jay, future CJOTUS, specifically referenced the phrase "natural born citizen," without hyphens. Furthermore, Benjamin Franklin made sure every one of the Framers had a copy of Vattel's Law of Nations, and placed a copy in the official Convention library.

        A statute cannot change a concept from natural law. "Natural born citizen" is a concept from natural law. It stands for a person who, by the very nature of nation-states, cannot possibly own any loyalty by birth to any place save one.

        Ted Cruz is by definition tri-loyal: USA, Canada, Cuba. (True, it's more Batista's Cuba than Castro's. But still...!)

        I don't question his temperamental loyalty. But I do question whether any statute can possibly override natural law. Statutes are positive law, and positive law always subordinates itself to the natural.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
          So here's the way I look at the matter: If Cruz isn't eligible, neither is Obama. And that is the reason I don't see too many Court cases getting accepted on the matter: can you imagine what chaos would ensue if President Obama's two terms in office were declared null and void as a result of him being ineligible retroactively?
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          • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago
            "Can you imagine what chaos would ensue if President Obama's two terms in office were declared null and void as a result of him being ineligible retroactively?"
            No prob, just reset the calendar to January 2009 and let the Panamanian have his turn. :-)
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            • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
              I can, and you know what, I think at this point I would welcome a little reset and chaos in the political establishment. It would provide all kinds of opportunities for the people to rise up and call on their elected Representatives to change politics as usual!
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
            Obama is popular and skated by the whole issue. I personally think he is a socialist muslim entitled black culturist. He is also VERY inexperienced and makes a fool of himself with foreign countries (grounding the Bolivian presidents plane to look for snowden !!, tapping the phones of various world leaders with the NSA and not stopping it and even apologizing !!)

            But Obama was a black person, and THAT was his qualification. Cruz is a Canadian and skated by the whole citizenship by having one parent a citizen. He thumps the bible and the constitution but I really wonder how deep that concern really is.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
            I am personally acquainted with an activist who sought exactly that--a total Mulligan on every EO, every legislative act, and every appointment by this President. The twists and turns in the judicial system, whereby they systematically denied him standing, would amaze even Judge Narragansett of AS.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
          Jay was not at the Constitutional convention. Franklin had Vattel's book (which is thousands of pages long) as did others. All the framers were familiar with the much more common texts of Blackstone which does cite the much more common definition of "natural born subject" under British law which, of course, allowed for non-UK born subjects of the King to be citizens (think of children born of British officers serving in India). I repeat, nobody at the convention made a single reference to Vattel and his idea. And of the 11 people on the drafting committee at the convention who actually came up with the "natural born citizen" phrase, 8 of them were serving in Congress in 1790 and voted for the Act which expressly allows citizenship of those born outside the US if their mom was a citizen. Why would they do that if they thought Vatel's definition was enshrined in the Constitution they had just voted for???? This is an issue of Constitutional law and interpretation of that document. No Court in the history of this country has ever cited the Vatell definition as controlling. It is fanciful thinking to believe that it will ever be otherwise.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
            John Jay wrote a letter to at least one of the Framers (I forget which), reiterating his stand.

            Vattel allows for a child born on-station to an officer serving abroad at the time. He specifically said on this point: "A person in the diplomatic or military service of his sovereign, even when serving abroad, cannot be said to have quitted his territory."

            But the elder Mrs. Cruz was not in the armed services or the diplomatic corps.

            I can cite you two cases at least that cite Vattel in particular: the Venus case (1812), and Perkins v. Elg. Consider also Minor v. Happersett, giving the same definition Vattel gives and saying that of such a person, having no alienage, there can be no doubt of his citizenship.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
              Neither case you cite states that Vattel is controlling on this issue, I believe. And why did all those framers vote in favor of the 1790 Act?
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              • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
                Because that act concerned only the granting of the right to vote, and to hold offices of honor, trust or profit under the United States or any State--offices other than the Presidency or Vice-Presidency.

                And you say you believe those cases do not cite Vattel. Why don't you look them up? The Cornell Law Library should have them, I believe--even the text of their opinions. I'm almost positive they do so cite Vattel as controlling.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
                  Citing Vattel is different from holding that the Constitutional Presidential requirement of natural born citizen is identical with Vattel's formulation. That's what I meant by Vattel not being "controlling on this issue."
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
          Cite the portion of the Constitution, which was dealt with by The Congress and the Supreme Court to back your wishful thinking.....

          What is a Vattel and like a Kardashian why should I care if it was only a reference and not included.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
            Because the Framers did not include all their references. They thought--and perhaps unwisely--that everyone would know what they were talking about. Emmerich de Vattel's principles must have seemed obvious to them. The idea was to define a category of person, the circumstances of whose birth would leave no doubt whatsoever of the loyalties he owed--to one country only.

            If your statutory solution were sufficient, Congress could change that 1790 law today, grant citizenship in the United States to anyone they pleased, and redefine the words "natural" and "born" to mean, respectively, "belonging to the physical world" and "having come to life through a human birth process." In other words, Congress might decide to exclude artificial intelligences only from eligibility to the office of President.

            More to the point, the first Arab terrorist who raped an American woman could see his son grow up to be President of the United States, under your, and Ted Cruz', interpretation of the Constitution--as amended by statute, yet.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
              So now you are a mind reader? It's either there or it isn't there. It either has been addressed or it hasn't. It either is or it isn't. It's either fact or it's BS. So far it's all BS
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              • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
                You are citing an attempt to amend the Constitution by statute. That can never be valid, except by a wink and a nod.

                In Minor v. Happersett, the Supreme Court said, "Resort must be had elsewhere [than in the Constitution] to determine" what a "natural born citizen" is. The Court then gave the exact same definition Vattel gave.

                That the Constitution lacks a definition of the phrase "natural born citizen," the Supreme Court, in the case I just cited, has attested. But can anyone truly infer that the Framers did not care what their posterity--meaning we--understand that phrase to mean? One does not require mental telepathy to infer properly the intent of the Framers in writing and using any particular phrase. One uses the most likely go-to references.

                Emmerich de Vattel's Law of Nations is one such reference. Every Framer had a copy. Benjamin Franklin made sure of that.

                Here is the relevant link. Scroll down to "Chapter XIX" and read what it says.

                http://www.constitution.org/vattel/va...
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
                  And you are citing ....nothing that is included in the law then or now. Not only that it's way past time for such antics...The Republicans have chosen their candidate the Republicans in Name Only have chosen their candidate. How very nice for them. What's that got to do with Objectivism or the 46% not represented? Let the Republican branch of the left get on with their business, The Democrat/Socialist party get on with theirs. So far Mr. Cruz has spurned any assistance from the disenfranchised and the disenfranchised have spurned the rest of the left - for the most part. Their are a few unrepresented independents who are followers of Bernie. And a few who are just lazy.

                  Arguing finer points when their is heavy work for them to do getting a candidate elected is counter productive. Nothing was done about it then and it nothing will be done about it now.

                  As for me I'm still concentrating on what can be done and is left to do. Namely increasing the percentage of disenfranchised and wait to see if Mr. Cruz still has some memories of his past or has gone all right wing of the left.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      What part of US law or where in US Law is Law of Nations by Mr. Vattel to be found. You should have studied US LAW on the subject. Are you a foreigner per chance?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      Yet you don't mind violating the Constitution when it suits you. You should have done your due diligence and researched a bit more thoroughly. And you probably know it... which makes you a what?

      The first question is WHAT constitution. You didn't give a damn on December 31st when it got dumped....Why should I believe you care now?

      The rest just follows .....you didn't care enough when something might have been done....too busy arguing what are now meaningless fine points and now it's too late.

      We have an internal war on our hands and do they send troops. Not one. Just the same tired old do nothings....

      Thank God for the infantry at least those that support their oath of office.,
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  • Posted by blegg1 8 years, 8 months ago
    Ineligible!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! From alot of these comments it is obvious the constitution is a deaf letter. We should go back to the articles which were far better than this nightmare created by it.
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  • Posted by blegg1 8 years, 8 months ago
    How is someone who is constitutionally enilgible !!!!!!!!!!!!! uphold the constitution? Would that not be the definition of oxymoronic, or at least hipocritical? Things in life are really quite simple. Jesus hates hipocracy.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
      This assertion has already been tested, and failed. Cruz is eligible, and being born in the US is wholly irrelevant to having good ideas for small government.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
        At best, this so-called test is an informal amendment to the Constitution by writ of the natural judiciary. At worst it is a lie, agreed-upon.
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
          At best it is wholly irrelevant to having good ideas for small government,

          This is a silly issue.
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          • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 8 months ago
            Not quite! A candidate steeped in the statism that, with rare exception, exceeds that in the United States in other parts of the world, would be far less sympathetic to the ideal of government sticking to Rand's Big Three (and Milton Friedman's Big Three). And a bi-, tri-, or otherwise multi-loyal person would be more likely to support a scheme to subsume the United States government, and all other governments in the world, into one over-arching "United Federation of Mankind."
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    • Posted by jpellone 8 years, 8 months ago
      This country has already put an ineligable person in the White House. He was born in a hospital that did not exist under the name on the birth certificate till years later and has a SSN from a state that he never lived in.
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  • Posted by $ TomB666 8 years, 8 months ago
    The Rep leaders are so hell bent on stopping Trump that they are now getting behind Cruz. Doesn't say much for Cruz in MHO. Also says Trump must be doing something right to get the 'establishment' so bent out of shape. This stinks all around.
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  • Posted by a59430802sojourner 8 years, 8 months ago
    I like Ted Cruz and for that which he stands. i have also read the Constitution and the writings of the Founding Fathers. I refuse to violate the Constitution by voting for Ted Cruz because his father was born in Cuba. My first choice was Ben Carson, second choice Rand Paul both of which are no longer candidates. I will vote for Donald Trump if he is nominated, otherwise i will write in Ben Carson or Rand Paul.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
      I will vote for Trump as my number one choice. He spends his own money to run, which I respect a lot. He is a straight shooter (doesnt use teleprompters like the others do), and is politically incorrect. For 4 years of shaking up the establishment, he has my vote.
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    • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Or you could vote for Gary Johnson, who will actually be on the ballot. He is going to receive a lot of votes this year from disaffected D&R's, and the higher his vote totals, the more the media and the public at large are likely to take notice.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 8 months ago
        He , Johnson is likely to get my vote. As for the public at large taking notice maybe for 36 seconds until a kardashian farts and all attention is diverted.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
          What is a Kardasian and why should I care? Sounds like frog farts in a pond full of monkeys.
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          • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 8 months ago
            You are quick today.
            I don't have a clue why you should care.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
              Now as to Mr. Johnson. He is so far the only decent candidate but faces a huge uphill battle. I see one good chance and that is...if.....Cruz plays it smart and goes after the 46% disenfranchised vote and the best way to prove himself to us is Johnson for VP candidate. The way to do that is a Coalition of like minded Constitutionalists but not the petty what's in it for me and my narrow myopic opinion crowd.

              The rest just follows.....Trump aside he'll go back to his Demo roots...like all good socialists. Keeping things above the belt they make the left look like the fools they are....and that's the route that will attract a lot of votes from that hitherto not mined source.

              If nothing else they form a viable replacement for the failed Republicans In Name Only Party... and a place for those who don't want to vote for evil . Now the socialist roaders and Constitutional wreckers can thave their say. Since they already look foolish enough on the eligibility question which we here at GG have already thrashed more than once it should be good for a laugh then back to business
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          • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
            The reason you should care is b/c unfortunately the vast reality-tv-watching public cares ! That's who Trump is structuring his campaign around up to this point which is why he's winning. It's sad, but I believe it to be true.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
              What is the vast reality tv watching public to me and why should 'I care. There the same bastards that kept sending me to war for nothing. Using them as an excuse is far more subjective a fairy tale than the frog elements in this pond. The only thing I care about is my opinion. I'm not a collectivist doing seig heil chants.
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              • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 8 months ago
                They sent you" to war for nothing " nothing that makes sense regarding defending our country , but to the evil warmongers ; you and countless thousands would be just collateral losses and not their losses either but made up for by billions in their filthy disgusting pockets , we should all dance on their graves.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
                  Well not for nothing. There was the paycheck...but as for any 'reason' learning to despise civilians about sums it up especially those of the left wing fascist variety. That was certainly worth something. In the end it was 'for and with the unit' and of course for the oath of office. But the rest was garbage. I often laugh at the silly as thanks for serving your country notion. Can't remember that ever happening. We served the Constitution and still do. That part is never retired.
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              • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
                And burying your head in the sand, not caring what the Kardashian's of the world are doing, with only your own opinion to keep you company, is the way to keep getting sent to war for "nothing" (although that is a whole separate argument). If you don't know what the masses are thinking, you can't either fight against it or be prepared for it. They're not an excuse. They're an unfortunate reality. Trump is making use of them (imo) in his campaign style. If he thought the electorate was smarter or paid attention to more than 140 characters at a time, he would be (imo) running a different kind of campaign. Just think of knowing who the Kardashians are as situational awareness.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
                  I guess you had to have been there.....is Kardashisan some kind of disease? Urban joke? I don't watch TV or any of that meaningless garbage.
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                  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
                    No, I don't watch their show, but they are part of the 'reality tv' culture, like all "The Wives" shows (of Beverly Hills, Atlanta, etc) Kris Kardashian was most recently married to the, ahem, former Bruce Jenner, and one of her daughters is married to a trashy rapper (or something). The overall point I was trying to make about them is that THAT is what "people" watch these days ! If there was an emergency bulletin that N.Korea was sending a nuke our way, and a Tweet that Kim and Kanye just had lunch somewhere, unfortunately way too many people would be following their Twitter feed about the Kardashians. So presidential candidates have to figure out how to compete against that kind of electorate. And that is precisely what I think Trump is purposely doing.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
                      he can afford to run a staff that would saturate that system most can't. He's milking the money is free speech deal for all it's worth. But it shows what he really is and that's 'unacceptable' Soon we'll be getting unwanted popups and all that crap. Tailor made to our own beliefs. what a crock....having been there done that I couldn't imagine fighting for someone like that much less dying for the useless bastards in his National Socialist camp or whatever he's calling it these days. Worse Bernie and Waddle. Thank God for FNA.
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                      • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
                        Last I heard, Trump had spent only a fraction of what Cruz or other campaigns have spent. Just the other night I was watching Fox ( either Bret Baer or Hannity, I can't remember) and they said that they in ite all the campaigns equally to be interviewed but Trump is the only one who says yes. I don't know why the other ones dont appear, but its to their detriment. What's FNA ?
                        (By the way, I'm still very undecided who to vote for, lest you think I'm advocating for Trump.)
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
        BUT, Hillary will destroy the country in the meantime.
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        • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 8 months ago
          Just like (Carter,Bill Clinton,Obama) destroyed the country? Predictable as clockwork, every four years we are told "Vote for a Republican (even one you despise) rather than voting your principles, because the Democrat will destroy the country." Not a particularly effective way to promote the cause of liberty, or feel good about your vote. And if the country is that easily destroyed, we're doomed anyway.
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          • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
            I dont listen to the Rupub establishment either. I think Trump is a bit different in that he is anti-establishment (which is why the establishment hates him so much), and just says it. I think he would run the government in a more open way, which I think would be a refreshing change for 4 years.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    Is he viable? It is getting pretty late in the game.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
      Trump's lead decreases with every Primary State vote, however, so to count Cruz out at this point is premature. Until either Cruz or Trump gets the necessary ~1257 votes, both are still potential/viable candidates for the Republican Nomination.

      That being said, if it goes to a contested convention, both Trump and Cruz could get tossed aside.
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      • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
        Is it possible that Cruz could even get 1257 votes at this point?

        It is my impression, but I am not following closely is that all Cruz can do is keep Trump from getting 1257
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        • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
          Prior to the Arizona decision, Trump had need of only about 55% of the remaining votes while Cruz needed like 80%. Cruz has won several contests since then so although Trump's need is still only about 50%, Cruz' has dropped as a percentage. The current trend is that Cruz is closing the gap with each successive race. Current odds: http://www.2016election.com/2016-repu...

          It is going to be much closer than anyone thought after the first month or so, but Cruz' organization is adept at marketing and he hasn't made key missteps like Trump has. The other thing "The Donald" has to face is that unlike Cruz, he already has 100% name recognition and people have already pretty much formed their opinions of him - either positive or negative. That's not necessarily a good thing, however, as Trump has a decidedly negative overall rating which is close to Hillary's overall negative rating. If it comes down to those Hillary v Trump in the Generals, you are going to have a lot of people who just don't vote at all - in general a boon to the Democrat.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
            Start off with 46% who are already fed up with being disenfranchised and that leaves 54% of eligibile voters for the left and 28% neeeded to win. well within reach of any of the lefts three candidates. Trumpet Boy, Clintonite, Bernie Bean Bag. Half the nation is already barred from participating.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
          It would be if the effort was united but it's not.....Cruz maybe viable but Trump and his two left wing buddies Sanders and Clinton are in the drivers seat.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
    I agree. Love flat rate tax, corporate tax and small government stances. Hate his religious views, but even if they affect Congress, they won't stand SCOTUS, once O-dingbat gets done stacking it, the one freedom numb progressives support.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Not sure I understood your comment correctly, Thoritsu. What is the one freedom that progressives support?
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
        First Ammendment. In this case, Freedom of (= "from") religion. The rest of the bill of rights is a weak guideline to those pukes that never fought anyone for any freedom, but have learned that a well-spoken minority can control the hordes of lemmings with a few well-placed cattle-prod words.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          There is a BIG difference! Nowhere in the constitution is there a delineated freedom "from" religion. Unfortunately, it's not just progressives and liberals who believe they should be free from religion.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
            Nope, it is me too. Prepositions are so trying, and being free from the burden of faith is the first step to enlightenment.
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
              But those steps to "enlightenment" are of a personal nature. Not the job of government. And it is certainly not a right for anyone to be guaranteed the freedom from "the burden of faith."
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
                Well, then you support Jon Stewart's argument that atheism is not a religion. Ok. In any case "faith" in anything may not be instituted in government due to the lovely, first Ammendment, since "faith" in anything is religion. The progressive weenies and I agree on this.
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                • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
                  Jon Stuart is a comedian. I don't support comedians. I either laugh or don't laugh at them.

                  You have it backwards. The first amendment constrains the government from establishing a state religion. It does not constrain the people at all! People are free, in this country, to have any religion, or no religion, at all.

                  The constitution and the bill of rights were written to constrain the federal government. Not the citizens!
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                  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
                    In this we completely agree. It constrains the government from enacting legislation that institutionalizes religion, because that eliminates freedom of religion (or non-religion).
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
              You are wasting your time and energy. If you wanted this turned into a Republican only forum then at least cut to the chase and do so. This constant niggling over degrees of how fine is a pont mean nothing. Your only job is elect a memvber of the right wing of the left. The rest is bull shit. Including constitutional references. Tha twhich you abandoned long ago.
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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
                Mike, are you talking to me? Maybe I can't see this correctly on my iPhone, but I agree Cruz is the right candidate for his fiscal positions, even though I don't agree with his religious biases. Why? Because his religious biases cannot really precipitate a change or consequence. If he could stand up the inquisition, I'd support someone else.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      I don't like the flat tax as it's still an income tax and therefore fascist in nature putting government over citizens as opposed to the citizens over government end user consumption tax. But it wouldn't stop me from setting that aside for the moment to support a coalition of return to the Constitutionalists whose main platform plank was the destruction of socialism.

      Stop enabling
      Take Control
      Make changes
      in that order.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
      It's a case of stop arguing over the non essentials and get with the program. IF you support Cruz as the antidote to Trump/Clinton/Sanders the rest of the discussion is bull shit. What counts and the only thing that counts is electing your chosen hero.

      If not then here we go for another four of the left wing socialist fascist flavor.

      Get it? You agreed to support the lesser of... so get out there and do it. As for the rest of it ...shut up and start digging trenches.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 8 months ago
    Am I alone is thinking Cruz could never beat Hillary? Ever?
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago
      In politics you can never say never. And HRC still might be on trial instead of campaigning. But...it would be a tough one, imo. HRC has an entrenched group who feel she was robbed 8 years ago and many D's will vote for anyone with a D by their name. Cruz has no derply established base, even evangelicals ( who I think he thought were a 'gimme' and then Trump came along and stole them away) and many Republicans don't like him, and he's made no friends among hispanics. So I just don't see it. But who the hell knows in this year's race !
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