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A year ago I forced a long term employee because I just got sick and tired of her attitude.
to "invest" fourteen thousand dollars in a currency
exchange-rate thing with a supposedly-reputable
company. . slick brochure;;; "proven history" of doubling
or quintupling everyone's money -- and it had worked
for my friend. . a week later, I had a balance of zero dollars
and dropped out of it. . sometimes you just have to
bow to the absurd. -- j
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to move from gold and silver to platinum and palladium,
about 2 years ago ... with a thirteen percent handling fee.
stupid me said yes. . Pt/Pd went up briefly, and then settled back
into their stable zone like gold and silver. . had I stayed with Au/Ag,
I would have been many dollars ahead. . did it to myself,
and I would love to say the name of the bunch who suckered
me into it ... but ....... -- j
p.s. the value of the Pt/Pd is now only 60 percent of the
original account balance.
.
do that with the Pt/Pd. -- j
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that he wanted to go, too. . we met again about 4 years
later, and he had himself retired. . moving to a better deal
is something which we should always keep alive. -- j
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"small vocal PC groups"
I think the PC thing was from the 90s, saying "callenged" instead of "disabled" and things like that. Now it's just because the way people blame their failures on others instead of on their own rudeness and disregard for the facts. Most likely I would not be interested in any media outlet that claimed to be non-PC. At best it non-PC has no meaning, and it worst it's code for blaming other people for individuals' problems.
Employers have no obligation to behave any differently.
Personally I think it is equally bad for people to request others boycott any organization. To me that is an individual choice. There are places that I choose not to do business with and if I was treated poorly, I will share those experiences with people but will never ask them to boycott. That is their own choice to make and asking for a boycott is vindictive.
I did just read the Facebook post that you shared. I agree that the event was horrific. I do not understand how anyone could do such a thing.
Chances say that the person who wrote the post will find a much better place to work really soon.
I hope someone digs down deep enough to uncover those kinds of vital facts.
Without them, we're all just flapping our gums about the possible 'unfairness of it all' and that's a waste of oxygen.
I say, personal page is off limits...unless your page/posts are public and your commenting as an employee.
If it's the business page, it's theirs and they set the rules.
When I took the retirement buyout offer from my last employer, it included a clause that I promised to "never publicly say anything negative about the Company after that."
I'd just LOVE the ACLU or some similar organization's lawyers to sink their fangs into That Level of Bullshit.
:)
Such is Life in The US Today.
Sad.
Americans, both individuals and businesses, for decades now, have been seeking Perfect Safety From Everything, and this is but another page in the handbook.
I personally would weigh the content in context and the degree of potential physical harm inferred by the comment.
Does anyone have a link we can view the commentary on this particular case?
Next to “If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times,” I remember my mom most often saying to my sister and me when we were young and constantly fighting, “If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.” I've really had nothing nice to say these past 11 days and so this page has been quiet. There's no nice words to write when a coward holding an AK-47 hoses down a family and their friends sharing laughs and a mild evening on a back porch in Wilkinsburg. There's no kind words when 6 people are murdered. When their children have to hide for cover and then emerge from the frightened shadows to find their mother's face blown off or their father's twisted body leaking blood into the dirt from all the bullet holes. There's just been nothing nice to say. And I've been dragging around this feeling like a cold I can't shake that rattles in my chest each time I breathe and makes my temples throb. I don't want to hurt anymore. I'm tired of hurting.
You needn't be a criminal profiler to draw a mental sketch of the killers who broke so many hearts two weeks ago Wednesday. I will tell you they live within 5 miles of Franklin Avenue and Ardmore Boulevard and have been hiding out since in a home likely much closer to that backyard patio than anyone thinks. They are young black men, likely teens or in their early 20s. They have multiple siblings from multiple fathers and their mothers work multiple jobs. These boys have been in the system before. They've grown up there. They know the police. They've been arrested. They've made the circuit and nothing has scared them enough. Now they are lost. Once you kill a neighbor's three children, two nieces and her unborn grandson, there's no coming back. There's nothing nice to say about that.
But there is HOPE. And Joe and I caught a glimpse of it Saturday night. A young, African American teen hustling like nobody's business at a restaurant we took the boys to over at the Southside Works. This child stacked heavy glass glasses 10 high and carried three teetering towers of them in one hand with plates piled high in the other. He wiped off the tables. Tended to the chairs. Got down on his hands and knees to pick up the scraps that had fallen to the floor. And he did all this with a rhythm and a step that gushed positivity. He moved like a dancer with a satisfied smile on his face. And I couldn't take my eyes off him. He's going to Make It.
When Joe paid the bill, I asked to see the manager. He came over to our table apprehensively and I told him that that young man was the best thing his restaurant had going. The manager beamed and agreed that his young employee was special. As the boys and we put on our coats and started walking out -- I saw the manager put his arm around that child's shoulder and pat him on the back in congratulation. It will be some time before I forget the smile that beamed across that young worker's face -- or the look in his eyes as we caught each other's gaze. I wonder how long it had been since someone told him he was special.
There's someone in your life today -- a stranger you're going to come across -- who could really use that. A hand up. A warm word. Encouragement. Direction. Kindness. A Chance. We can't change what's already happened, but we can be a part of what's on the way. Speak up. Reach out. Dare to Care. Give part of You to someone else. That, my friends, can change someone's course. And then -- just maybe THEN -- I'll start feeling again like there's something nice to say.
As an employer, I feel it is my right to fire anyone for any reason. I believe as you do that all employment should be at will. That said: I also feel this was a poor decision and viewers/the market place, should inform the station of the fact.
Regards,
O.A.
Well said. We are living in a world gone mad.
Regards,
O.A.
If I were her boss, I would of nominated this piece for some award.
Sure, it's the employer's right to fire someone, just as it's their right to make bad decisions and look foolish and lose customers (and possibly, if enough customers are lost, their business). Wish I knew the backstory; seems like there's something deeper here, and the post was more of an excuse to fire someone than an actual reason.
As fast as I read your reply I imagined someone holding a sign screaming "Black lives matter!" in your face. That not making any sense is beside the point
Now mean ole' dino is thinking of the college campus comfort of a goo-goo safe zone.
But similar reasons mean that other people can protest - peacefully.
Her employer fired her on her second day. Were they wrong???
Honestly, I agree with Mamaemma in that an employer has the right to fire an employee for any reason...Facebook post, or otherwise.
The real question is this: is the employee is acting as an agent of the company or not? If they are, the company has not only a right, but a responsibility to manage their brand - which includes firing employees who disparage the brand and who act as agents. That being said, there is a difference between disagreeing with a particular decision taken by a company and disparaging it. Freedom of expression should cover simple disagreement in all cases. The crux of the matter should be all about whether or not the comments were disparaging and painted the company in a bad light. But as soon as one gets into being able to control the free speech of one's employees, we risk the vary coercion we strictly forbid in government now being applied in the workplace.
The exception comes (as previously mentioned) with employees in an agent position - those who act on behalf of and represent the company. When in their official capacities, such must act on behalf of their employers with all good faith or justifiably risk termination (Association). But when not in one's official capacity, they do not necessarily represent the company and therefore Freedom of Speech should be the standard.
I can't hold to the notion that a company has coercive right of conscience over its employees.
Without a contract, and subject to laws regarding discrimination against people based on the group they are in, you can fire someone for any reason you want -- and they can quit for any reason they want.
For most employees it really shouldn't matter what they do on their time off, but if they are readily identifiable as being associated with your business, they can do damage by public postings that conflict with your business mission -- and facebook is a public post.
And of course, it's a bad idea to post drunken pictures of you at a party on Sunday and then call in with the flu on Monday.
I hold an MBA and as part of the curriculum, we had to study these exact cases and the rationale for them. The questions I raise are the very same questions from our course materials and included lengthy discussions of court decisions regarding the matter. The very employment laws cited are based on First Amendment protections, I can assure you. Whether or not they are "overly broad" is entirely a matter of perspective, which is why I asked the question: would you then turn businesses into religions?
"subject to laws regarding discrimination against people based on the group they are in"
But that is the entire issue at hand: whether or not their freedom to associate with a thought contrary to that of the company takes precedence or must be subordinate to that of the company. According to current legal precedent, the only time the company's interests supercede those of the employee are when an employee is acting as an agent of the company and their actions or statements paint the company specifically in a bad light.
"if they are readily identifiable as being associated with your business, they can do damage by public postings that conflict with your business mission"
But here you are conceding that agent status is important. Does a private Facebook posting constitute a positional statement #1 on behalf of the company and #2 in contravention to its established position (even if it is no position at all)? Both conditions must be met to override freedom of expression.
But I'll repeat the argument I presented to WilliamShipley with you: Would you then make corporations into religions - with the authority to only hire those who strictly identify with the corporation's moral views? Do you then force companies to take sides in each and every moral issue at risk of their workforce?
(As a tertiary argument, I would also point out that the relationship between an employer and employee is significantly different than the relationship between an company and a client. These are different issues entirely.)
Having said that, the legal is not the same as the moral. The employer may be morally wrong for terminating the employee, depending on the reasons.
Or interviews on TV you've done, or blogs you've published or your posts on Linked-In, FaceBook, HuffPost or any other media open to the public.
Welcome to the wider range of "media" of this century!
Sue Al Gore for having invented the Internet, too?
:) Gotta be somebody we can blame, right?
In my mind, it's similar to "arguments" gun-controllers want to make against Automatic Weapons... If you were to play that record backward in time, the evolution of "Weapons" from Fists to Throwing Rocks to Slingshots to Catapults to Spears to Bow-and-Arrow to Blow Darts to pistols to muskets to revolvers to machine guns to Gatling Guns, etc...
The same "it's immoral to be able to do that much MORE destruction and killing with That New Weapon!" mentality gets laughed into the dust by Thinking People.
It's called Technological Progress and it can show up anywhere, from guns to Mass Media.
Hey, who Needed a Telephone when the Telegraph was perfectly Good Enough?
Or Radio?
Or Television?
Or Smart Phones?
Sorry... got carried away, again, as usual.
Cliff Notes available in the Book Store soon... :)
Now imagine the same scenario but with a company in which employees don't have appeal rights, like a private company. I'm still fired except there is no third party to appeal. You're fired for the posting on facebook which reflected poorly on the company.
Facebook is also being looked at by prospective employers. I always tell young people to keep their personal lives out of facebook. Something you post on facebook will come and bite you when you least expect it, at the worst time, in the worst way.
But as to your first half. What does any of that have to do with anything?
Just proof we hire numbskulls and dimwits as our employees in government.
They too are not worth the bother nor the effort of any worry whatsoever.
that the job relationship was "at-will" for both me and the employer.
here's an explanation;;; it's just a free-will association which
is sustained only by continued voluntary agreement....... -- j
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedi...
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However doing this just because of disagreement or being nonplussed over something one finds out that has no direct bearing on the employment efficacy would be stupid and irrational.
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