Mark Potok of The Southern Poverty Law Center Implicates Reading Ayn Rand for the Jared Loughner Shooting of Gabrielle Giffords

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"There is a thread through the material that really seems pretty clear, and that thread has to do with seeing the government as an enemy. The books you mentioned, there's a theme that runs through all of them, particularly the Ayn Rand book: the idea of the individual against the State..." - Mark Potok, The Southern Poverty Law Center

So, what say you all?
Do you like Mark Potok and The Southern Poverty Law Center implying this?

Is it their view that any one who has read Rand might as well be walking around with a copy of "A Catcher in The Rye"?

Your comments are welcome.

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  • Posted by iroseland 10 years, 10 months ago
    Mark Potok is a few pennies short of a nickle. But, I have to hand it to him for finding his place in life. He is paid to tell people that his fantasy world is real life.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago
    "Whatever else may be open to disagreement, there is one act of evil that may not, the act that no man may commit against others, and no man may sanction or forgive. So long as men desire to live together, no man may * initiate* - do you hear me? No man may *start* -the use of physical force against others." Galt 's Speech
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 10 months ago
    "Anarchism is the most irrational anti -intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete bound, context -dropping, whim worshipping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs." Ayn Rand, The Objectivist, 1971
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    Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago
    Well, it's true. Ayn Rand was really only an ideological sliver away from being an anarchist. But given that she grew up under the oppressive totalitarian regime of the Soviet Union, her anarchist leanings are understandable.
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    • Posted by sdesapio 10 years, 10 months ago
      RE: "Ayn Rand was really only an ideological sliver away from being an anarchist."
      Demonstrably false.

      "Anarchy, as a political concept, is a naive floating abstraction: . . . a society without an organized government would be at the mercy of the first criminal who came along and who would precipitate it into the chaos of gang warfare. But the possibility of human immorality is not the only objection to anarchy: even a society whose every member were fully rational and faultlessly moral, could not function in a state of anarchy; it is the need of objective laws and of an arbiter for honest disagreements among men that necessitates the establishment of a government." - Ayn Rand
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      • Posted by $ Maphesdus 10 years, 10 months ago
        Ayn Rand verbally attacked the label of anarchy, yes, but she nevertheless endorsed most of the philosophical ideas and principles which anarchy represents, and provided no explanations or arguments to clarify how her ideal society was any different from an anarchistic one. Condemnation without explanation does not make a valid intellectual argument, nor does it stand up to logical scrutiny. Ayn Rand's attacks on anarchy are colorful criticisms, but they lack any sense of logical support or rational defense, and instead are buttressed entirely by emotion.

        Excerpt from the book "Without a Prayer - Any Rand and the Close of Her System" by John W. Robbins:
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        Objectivism leads logically to anarchy, because no sovereign individual – and we are all sovereign, aren't we? – may be forced to delegate his rights to government. The sovereign individual has every right to refuse to pay taxes, ignore subpoenas, ignore courts of law, resist arrest, and take all measures necessary to the preservation of his rights, including one supposes, since government is entirely derivative, issuing subpoenas, forming his own army, and establishing his own courts and judicial procedures, and punishing people.

        Rand, however, vociferously maintained that she did not advocate an anarchic society:

        'I disapprove of, disagree with and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called "hippies of the right," who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs.'
        ~ Ayn Rand, "The Objectivist," September 1971, 2.

        What is obviously missing in her attack on anarchism was any intellectual argument concerning the distinction(s) between her version of a free society and anarchy. Rather than explanation, Rand supplied only denunciation.

        As we have already shown, such a distinction between a free society and anarchy would be difficult for her to maintain. Take, for example, her description of Atlantis (Galt's Gulch), the society which the most rational and most moral men on Earth create as a refuge from the "moral cannibalism" of the rest of the world:

        We have no laws in this valley, no rules, no formal organization of any kind.
        ~ Atlas Shrugged, page 714

        We have no rules of any kind.
        ~ Atlas Shrugged, page 747

        We are not a state here, not a society of any kind – we're just a voluntary association of men held together by nothing but every man's self-interest. I own the valley and I sell the land to the others, when they want it. Judge Narragansett is to act as our arbiter, in case of disagreements. He hasn't had to be called upon, as yet.
        ~ Atlas Shrugged, pages 747–748

        If these words are not descriptions of anarchy, a description of anarchy does not exist. It is most interesting to note that in the last quotation Rand contrasted her ideal association with a state or a society by saying that the perfect association is "voluntary" and "held together by nothing but every man's self-interest." The unmistakable implication of these statements is that states, societies, and governments are incompatible with her idea of a free society – that, in fact, her idea of the perfect association is anarchy.
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        "Without a Prayer - Any Rand and the Close of Her System" by John W. Robbins, Chapter 6, Imagining Justice, Peace, and Freedom: Objectivist Politics, pages 198–199
        http://www.trinitylectures.org/without-p...
        http://www.amazon.com/Without-Prayer-Ran...

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        "John Robbins is as stalwart a defender of a free society as I have known. His love of freedom – religious, political, and economic – motivated him to write 'Without a Prayer,' a brilliantly insightful analysis of Ayn Rand's influential philosophy. 'Without a Prayer' deserves to be read by everyone who loves freedom – everyone who wants to advocate freedom with arguments that cannot be refuted. Robbins furnishes the indispensable ideas – the intellectual ammunition – required to defend freedom successfully."
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        ~ Ron Paul (Republican-Texas), 2012 U.S. Presidential Candidate

        Libertarian-Anarchist and political-activist Roy Childs recognized the fundamental contradiction of Objectivism as well in 1969 when he wrote an essay titled "Objectivism and the State An Open Letter to Ayn Rand," in which he points out that the Non-Aggression Principle, if not abandoned by the government which attempted to adhere to it, would inevitable leads to anarchy, stating, "It is my contention that limited government is a floating abstraction which has never been concretized by anyone; that a limited government must either initiate force or cease being a government."

        "Objectivism and the State An Open Letter to Ayn Rand," by Roy Childs:
        https://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/roy-...
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