For religious people: What do you think of this? – Christian prophecy about Russian invasion of America

Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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It's a common theme among many Christian fundamentalists to tell stories about the possible invasion of the United States by foreign countries, usually it's whatever country is currently feared by the general public, but most commonly Russia. Personally, I have to remain skeptical, as I don't think dreams are a reliable source of information. Still, the possibility of foreign invasion is not totally without merit, and it could be argued that our dreams are simply our subconscious minds acting out potential scenarios about things we fear and trying to find solutions to the problems we're dealing with while awake. Even if I can dismiss the dreams, I cannot dismiss the fear on which they're based. War is a very real thing, and the idea that we might not be adequately prepared is very disconcerting.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 9 months ago
    Well you weren’t around when Russia was audibly and unmistakably threatening world domination, so you wouldn’t understand how the lingering conspiracy theories evolved. Putin is a KGB man. Putin served when world domination was the theme.

    *shrugs* Never say never. But as far as what fundamentalist christians belief: I think it’s more insightful to point out these type of conspiracies are put forth by fear-mongering scam artists, who make a living at directing naive fundamentalist christians towards their collection plates. You got to be really stupid to believe this junk, but you have got to be really full of yourself to think nice people don’t occasonally get suckered in,
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 10 years, 9 months ago
    That crap ideology from England; communism invaded the U.S. academia as early as the 1860's. That said, I'm not fooled by anyone (Alex Jones' types) running around yelling the U.S. is going to be invaded. ha ha. Way too late...it happened long ago.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 7 months ago
      According to Saul Alinsky, the American labor movement actually started in Philadelphia in 1827.

      Of course "The Communist Manifesto" was not even written until 1848, so it's difficult to say for certain when the labor movement became infused with Marxist ideology. The first English translation of the Manifesto was produced in 1850, so an approximation of ten to fifteen years to reach American soil sounds reasonable.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 9 months ago
    I hadn't heard anything like this before, but the Bible is full of stories about how once great nations got their comeuppance, particularly the Persian and Babylonian exiles.

    If Obama is not the fulfillment of Khrushchev's "We Will Bury You" speech (complete with rapping of his shoe), then I don't know what is.
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  • Posted by gonzo309 10 years, 9 months ago
    I'm only aware of the Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38-39 that Christians think about but that has to do with Israel, not the USA. Can you provide any references to back up that statement on Russia invading the US.

    In Ezekial 39:6 (KJV) it states: "And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I [am] the LORD." It is thought that "the isles" might be the US. Bringing fire on Magog and the isles is thought to be a nuclear exchange between the US and Russia, not an invasion. Read the rest of Ezekiel 39 to see what happens to those who come against God and Israel (no one else).

    The movie "Red Dawn" depicted the Russians invading the US in the first version of the film, with the North Koreans being the invading force in the second version. If you remember, the Chinese were originally the invading force but they squawked and it was changed and re-shot to be the North Koreans. I saw no mention of Christians expecting the invasion.
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  • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 9 months ago
    Hi Maph, I didn't read it. I can tell you that Jesus spoke about false profits. You can find more in the Bible but he said you can tell them by the clothes they wear for one. I recently read something in the Bible saying not to follow dreams. I think that was in John but don't quote me. Check the word dream in the online King Jame version of the Bible it lets you look by book or by Old and New Testament. You will get more answers there. Only God know when Jesus is coming so get ready.and God will help you conquer fear.
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    • Posted by gonzo309 10 years, 9 months ago
      Hey rlewellen, are you getting censored? I've been busy for a bit so I've missed things here. I gave you a point previously and it got zeroed out after I gave you a thumbs up. What's up?
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      • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 8 months ago
        I am censored and banned by the commies here. Don't believe their little point system. They are set up to protect the ones that will walk their party line.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      What kind of clothes does a false prophet wear? And it's not Jesus coming that scares me. It's the Russians coming. :P
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      • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 8 months ago
        When you see people that are supposed to be men of God but live in multi million dollar homes etc you have identified their god. Read about it, it is a very good book you know. It has been read more than any other.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 9 months ago
    Well, I think I know my Christian fundamentalism and I've never even HEARD anyone from that crowd expressing the idea from your first sentence. Russian invasion of Israel - yes. Gog and Magog and all that stuff. Your post links to people that are claiming to be receiving direct revelation from God in visions, and that is very much outside the mainstream of the Christianity I know.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      I didn't say mainstream, I said fundamentalist.
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      • Posted by LionelHutz 10 years, 9 months ago
        Hmm - interesting.
        I'd say "fundamentalist" is a synonym for "mainstream". Its opposite would be "modernist" or "revisionist". If you're the kind of person who believes in the Christianity preached 150 years ago, I'd say you're fundamentalist. This view is pretty much echoed here:
        http://www.victorious.org/chur21.htm
        Not sure how you distinguish the two. As the last paragraph on that link describes, there has been some cultural shift in the meaning of this word. However, you can also see in that last sentence how fundamentalism is equated with orthodoxy (what is mainstream).
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
          When I think of the terms, I think mainstream means moderates, while fundamentalism means hardcore extremists.
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          • Posted by rlewellen 10 years, 9 months ago
            I want you to think about a few other main stream guys. One had the name Hitler. Just because you find a majority of the population to agree on a point does not make it a good thing. The mainstream also burned witches in Salem. So were they moderates?
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  • Posted by mminnick 10 years, 9 months ago
    The United States has already been "invaded" by Russia. California was once settled by Russians. Alaska was owned by Russia. Currently there is an invasion every winter and again in the summer when the Diomedes invade Alaska.
    For those that don't know, the U.S. Russian border separates the two islands (Big and Little Diomede). The families visit each other when they can walk on the ice or paddle a boat (winter and Summer) but not other times.
    So , we are constantly invaded by Russia and we Invade them. Funny thing is, nobody cares. Strange how that works.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      Russian ownership of land in North America back when the United States was only on the east coast doesn't count as invasion because the west coast was not part of the United States back then. When I say invasion of America, I mean invasion of the United States.

      Also, tourism and foreign visitors don't count as invasion, either.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
    I'm not sure why you direct this towards the religious. There's nothing here that comes from religious theology and certainly not from Christianity. Just because someone claims to represent a theology, or is a prophet, does not make them so. Present evidence, then I will evaluate it and come to my own decision.

    That said, is a Russian invasion of the US imminent, no. Is it possible at some point, perhaps, but if it is to happen, it is more likely to be an internal turn to collectivism vs. an external war.
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    • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
      Well, it comes from people who are Christians. I don't know if that necessarily qualifies as coming from Christianity. I assume you're arguing that the only things that can be said to truly come from Christianity are things written in the Bible, and not necessarily things modern Christians say? If that's the case, then I guess I can see where you're coming from, but personally, I think it's a very fine distinction.

      I'm mostly agnostic myself, so I always try to remain objectively skeptical and take everything with a grain of salt. Still, the way Russia has been acting recently has me very worried...
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
        What I'm saying is that just because it comes from a white person, and they say that they are speaking on behalf of white people, doesn't mean that it is anything to do with what I think or believe. To attribute it to me would be a mistake. The analogy holds the same to this.
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        • Posted by $ 10 years, 9 months ago
          I agree that we shouldn't try to say that they're speaking for all Christians. Christianity is so large that it would be very foolish to try and say anyone can speak for all Christians. But that wasn't my point. I simply wanted to discuss whether or not the fears these people have are at all grounded in reality. For example, take this particular passage by Dumitru Duduman:

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          "The Russian spies have discovered where the most powerful nuclear missiles are in America. It will start with the world calling for 'peace, peace.' Then there will be an internal revolution in America, started by the Communists. The government will be busy with internal problems. Then, from the oceans, Russia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Central America, Mexico, and two other countries will attack! The Russians will bombard the nuclear missile silos in America. America will burn."
          ~ Dumitru Duduman, Christian pastor, Romanian-American immigrant, and author of "Through the Fire Without Burning"
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          Maybe Duduman's theories about foreign invasion are totally off base, but his theories about an internal revolution started by the Communists appear to have legitimate evidence to support them:

          Occupy Unmasked trailer:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHcr_8Qg...

          Communist Party U.S.A. in Solidarity with Occupy Chicago:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avG4LgTF...

          Former Soviet Citizen Confronts Communists at NAACP Rally at United Nations:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KluWRiYw...
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