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A new political party.

Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago to Politics
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I just found this and thought it looked interesting. This is what a party should stand for.
SOURCE URL: http://theamericancapitalistparty.com/platform.html

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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago
    We need several more party's. With 320 million people there is no way in hell that all our ideas are being represented. As a free market sets the price and quality so to would a wider field of party options keep the reprehensible bastards faithful to what they are saying and delivering on what they are promising. With so many people, no election cycle should go without a runoff.

    Missouri's Constitution Party is one that appeals to me somewhat.
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago
      I might add, in addition to more Political Party's we need a NONE OF THESE option on every ballot. Let see how much money they spend when it all could all be wasted because no one can stomach their rhetoric, lies, or campaign tactics.

      (I once wrote an article about this which was published by Human Event Online - http://humanevents.com/author/allan-j... ).
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      • Posted by DavidT 8 years, 8 months ago
        The only way this could work is if everybody that lost to None Of The Above (NOTA, from the Probability Broach series by L. Neil Smith) were barred from the next election and an entirely new field ran.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
          Nice but you are putting the cart a long way ahead of the horse.

          Cease Enabling
          Take Power
          Make changes

          in that order. until the frist step is accomplished the rest is just theory with out a chance. i see too many sell outs who don't give a dam about anything except there narrowly focused immediate needs.

          For one year I've said this ...the next president will get 95% of the vote. either by direct ballot or by winner take all or by the weaklings selling out. the country again.
          Note: A vote for a right wing of the left wing insider is still a vote for the socialist party A vote for the left wing of the left the same. A vote obtained by trickery such as winner take all is still a vote for left wing fascism. a lesser of is a vote by some big time weaklings attempting to justify their support of left wing fascist socialism.

          i'd rather go to step two and encourage the military to honor their oath of office. Odds are far better.

          You got one outside chance. Anyone that doesn't take it is from two camps.

          a. left wing activists such as Buchanan othere such worms and snakes trying to play pretend conservative....

          b. left wing of the left openly anti-constitution pro national or international sociaists.

          I dont give a damn about socialist defintions. The only one that couonts is

          Left = Government over citizens
          Center - the constitution
          Right citizens over government

          it works for me in all situations.

          What possibility?

          Only one left standing. I don't care for him but he is the only none left wing fascist socialist left stranding. Cruz. I'd rather vote for a Constitutionalist but the splinter groups of the right are more bout their narrow definition than accomplishing anything... thus they qualify as enablers
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      • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
        The Libertarian Party also endorses "none of the above" as a ballot choice. In fact, at the Libertarian National Convention "none of the above" is always a choice in all elections for presidential nominees and party posts.
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        • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
          When I went to vote yesterday, there was a man with a clipboard standing outside.
          I wound up signing a petition asking for the Libertarian Party to appear on the Alabama ballot of the general election.
          This surprised me. I've voted for a libertarian before in the same building.
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          • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
            I don't know why you were surprised. The Republicrats have rigged the state election laws to keep third parties off the ballot. These laws vary widely from state to state, but a common tactic is to grant automatic ballot status to the two old parties and make any other party get signatures to appear on the ballot every election. These signature efforts are expensive, time consuming and frustrating but if they are not undertaken then the party loses the ballot spot. The Green and Constitution parties (and some years ago the Reform Party) also have to get on the ballot this way but they have been much less successful than the Libertarians. I'm glad you signed the petition.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
      We need to repeal the Twelfth and Seventeenth Amendments before this will be feasible.

      I am a in favor of multiple political parties. I think one of the problems with the current Republican Party is that they are trying to be too much to too many, resulting in fracturing and internal division. They'd be much better off focusing on a set ideology of government and campaigning on it. Let Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Tea Parties, Blue Dogs, Greens, et al fill in the gaps.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    Interesting Rich...I'd rather a non political, non party...Just go by the constitution...protect our rights, our borders and our way of life.

    I've always liked Mark Hamilton's Prime Law©
    It's premise actually underlays the constitution only very direct...simple stupid.
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  • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 8 months ago
    Looks VERY interesting to me! I think there's nothing in the writeups that I could/would not be able to support 'wholeheartedly', as I put it... unlike the platforms of the "Two Major Political Parties today."

    I do have two nits to pick... First is the symbol at the top of the pages... the helix is cute, but doesn't convey any inherent 'good symbolism' I could recognize... as well as looking a lot like a "screw" which would be fodder for antagonists.

    Second, there's no "feedback" or 'contact us' link, so when I got to this line,...
    "We understand that American health care, by physicians around the globe, is acknowledged as the world's finest. As but one example, vastly more English, French, and German men die of prostate cancer than do American men. But American medical care has become prodigiously expensive." , there was no place for me to suggest rewriting that so it would look/sound a LOT better...

    Basically, I like it and will be sharing the link with my email lists.
    Thanks!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    It will be interesting to see if this goes anywhere. There is a bubble of revolution growing among voters and a party such as this might gain some credence. Unfortunately, Trump is the beneficiary of the voter discontent. The fact that he is a bloviating self promoter works both for and against him. His populist rants are striking a chord among the discontented and the politically frustrated. The attitudes that are buoying up Trump can be the same ones that can get a free market party rolling. We certainly live in interesting times.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
      Excellent analysis Herb. The biggest positive take away of Trumps popularity is what you say---it shows there is a lot of voter discontent. Hope it gets redirected soon.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
        What we have to hope for is that if Trump becomes president, he won't turn into another Mussolini.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
          Unfortunately I think Benito Trump is already there. You can hope as much as you want, but this guy is a power mad authoritarian with no principles or ideology.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
            Perhaps so.
            But, he does have one thing going for him. He is Really pissing the GOP establishment off. He is making them crazy over the possibility that they will no longer have the corrupt power over the people that they now exploit. I believe that they have elevated Rubio to Dauphin and promised him -- probably big bucks for his campaign to go after Trump with sharp knives and the soul of a butcher. The difference in his speeches of late compared to just a couple of weeks ago is startling. I'm just jaded enough to believe that it's not only because he wants to win, but some additional motive.
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        • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
          If he at least gets the economy growing and cuts some waste we may have a chance.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
            I don't have any inside info. on the man. But, I think I can say without a doubt that he doesn't hate America as Obama does. I think he believes he can fix everything so long as we allow him to become a benevolent dictator. But of course, we know that a powerful rich man wants not more money, but more power. So, your characterizing of him is very likely correct.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 8 years, 8 months ago
    No good. It does not promise to give away any sort of free stuff. People want free stuff. "Where's my Obama Money?"

    Reason is boring. BORING. Mystics and social reformers with vast plans are EXCITING. "Watch closely! My fingers never leave my hand." (Other hand removes money from pocket.)

    Additional problem. Capitalism is already well established as intrinsically evil. "Only right-wing nut cases like Ann Rand and the Kock Brothers support it." 120 years of progressive education paved the way for our current demise.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
    This nascent party's Platform looks a lot like the Libertarian party Statement of Principles and Platform. http://www.lp.org. The key distinction, however, is that the Libertarian Party will have ballot status in 49 or 50 states this fall and will have a worthwhile candidate, Gary Johnson, I hope, in all those states. This party will not be on the ballot anywhere. In light of that, I think peoples' time would be better spent at this time supporting the LP rather than this group. It is the LP which is the "starting point." This group seems duplicative to me.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
      Hopefully they both reach out to younger voters. The success of Sanders among young voters was surprising. It was stronger than I expected. Votes for Trump seem to be more angry votes against the same old same old.
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      • Posted by TheRealBill 8 years, 8 months ago
        I'm not sure Sanders promising young people that if they vote for him they'll get free college, free healthcare, higher wages, any existing student loans paid off for them, and stick it to the (business) man along the way should provide for anyone being surprised when they support him. Yet the irony of Sanders targeting Wall Street is lost on his supporters. Wall Street is essentially "democratic socialism" by example.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 8 years, 8 months ago
    an excellent start...

    suggestion...change "freedom of religion" to "freedom FROM religion"..

    suggestion...declare for a republic and not a democracy...the vote is earned by those who produce....taking assistance from the state (i.e., taxpayers, results in the immediate loss of the franchise to vote)

    question...where do you fall on unborn life???...does the state own a woman's body???
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  • Posted by editormichael 8 years, 8 months ago
    Why further splinter people who supposedly are wanting a free society? We already have the Libertarian Party.
    Starting a new party is very difficult and especially so for a party supporting freedom.
    There must be media coverage, and any people or party supporting freedom will be either ignored or laughed by the media, or both.
    Well, the Libertarian Party has been around for more than 40 years. It has infrastructure and some experience.
    And supposedly the people who come to this site are in favor of freedom, free markets and free minds, so why not do the smart thing and get involved with the party that already exists?
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    The proposed "ACP" is what I hoped the Tea Party would become when Obama's first term obscene spending caused it to appear.
    I've learned the hard way that, if you spend a little money for Tea Party membership, there are at least three other Tea Party groups still asking you to join.
    I have backed off from that confusion.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
    the first thing you will have to do is educate the population to the fact that capitalism is not a dirty word.
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    • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
      Eliminating Common Core and getting control of the schools back would be a great start.
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      • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
        Control back to whom? Governments?
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        • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
          I'm thinking local control would be best. From what i have heard it is pointless to talk to school boards cause their hands are tied. Decisions are set at the Federal level and tied to funding. Not much the few concerned parents can do.
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          • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
            I don't know where you live, but most "public" schools get the vast bulk of their funding from state and county governments. The money comes from state income taxes, property taxes and, sometimes, from sales taxes. The school boards you speak of have no taxing power. They may raise money through bonds, but, of course, that money must be paid back with interest. Guess where those payments come from. The "decisions" you speak of (who to hire, who to fire, what books to acquire, where to build a school, the basic curriculum, and how much to spend on all this, are virtually always made by state and local governments. If you think "public" education is a mess (and it is) you need not look all the way to Washington. Government, at every level, is an inefficient and inequitable provider of services.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 8 months ago
    Made me think of a small party I support out here on the left coast - The Canary Party.

    Will look into this further. Thanks!
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    • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
      Ever since Perot has success in the early 90's I have expected a viable third party to emerge. People are ready.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 8 months ago
        I think so, too. At least I HOPE so. There is a group I've mentioned here several times before - the 15%-ers. These are people who think, who can understand cause and effect. All of those will likely join a good 3rd party. The problem I see is so many people who call themselves conservatives, are admittedly concerned for the nation and desirous of real change - yet are forever marching to the mantra of Fox News. Something needs to be done to break those people from their trance...to get them to see that the establishment is killing our future.

        The Canary Party, for example, is the only one that draws a line in the sand as far as our own bodies go - the only one who argues for informed consent and the sanctity of our own choices regarding our health. Nobody else does that. It's important to me. So, I'm in. If this new party mentioned here is really serious about creating a new paradigm, and new open discussion about how much money is being taken from us I'll be in.
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        • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
          I'm a registered libertarian now. They can't seem to get any attention. Time to try something new.
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          • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
            Johnson got a million votes in 2012. He may double that this time. Why do you think trying "something new" will get more attention with no ballot status and no votes?
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            • Posted by richrobinson 8 years, 8 months ago
              I had actually hoped that most of the people supporting the TEA party movement would go Libertarian. I keep thing the LP is just not doing enough to get noticed and draw members in. They have done well by third party standards but no where near well enough to be practical.
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              • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 8 months ago
                Well then, perhaps it's time for you to volunteer your services and donate some $$ so the LP could do more and become more "practical." Switching your allegiance to an infinitely smaller and less impactful party that will not get on the ballot seems non-optimal.
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          • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 8 months ago
            A friend of mine was one of the earliest instigators of the Redding, CA chapter of the Tea Party. I actually really like what the Tea Party officially stood for. This guy is a sharp guy. But, one day he quit the whole thing and has never said why. He's very tight-lipped about it. They made the mistake of allowing themselves to be crushed by, and absorbed back into, the GOP.
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