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Signs That The Global Economic Turmoil Is Just Beginning

Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago to Business
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1. The number of job cuts in the United States skyrocketed 218 percent during the month of January according to Challenger, Gray & Christmas.

2. The Baltic Dry Index just hit yet another brand new all-time record low. As I write this article, it is sitting at 303.

3. U.S. factory orders have now dropped for 14 months in a row.

4. In the U.S., the Restaurant Performance Index just fell to the lowest level that we have seen since 2008.

5. In January, orders for class 8 trucks (the big trucks that you see shipping stuff around the country on our highways) declined a whopping 48 percent from a year ago.

6. Rail traffic is also slowing down substantially. In Colorado, there are hundreds of train engines that are just sitting on the tracks with nothing to do.

7. Corporate profit margins peaked during the third quarter of 2014 and have been declining steadily since then. This usually happens when we are heading into a recession.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    Great Recession Part II
    The bills for Part I are coming due
    The President hasn't a clue
    But sees the chance to raises taxes a few
    Notches up and help him lose
    Those Legacy Losing gone to hell blues

    It's all about him and to hell with us
    Let's kick him out send him home on a bus
    With a one way ticket we don't need the fuss
    And bother from a loser nor hear the wuss
    Sing another verse from the useless cuss
    Of the Legacy losing gone to hell in a hand basket Great Recession...... Oh bah mah blues.

    Dylan does it better.....
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    • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 9 months ago
      Except if a Dem is elected we'll have him around DC till End Times -- on the Supreme Court !!!
      Aaaauuugh !!!
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 9 months ago
        Recently, Killary said that was a good idea when one of her adoring zombies suggested it.
        I don't think that's a sure thing but it's scary.
        About a month earlier I read an article that opined that the king wants to move up to an emperor by being the chairman for the United Nations.
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      • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
        They are just the supreme traitors. Regardless of who appoints them, the senate only confirms statists. If there were men who defended liberty in the senate, there wouldn't be traitors to liberty on the court.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
      President O'Bama is a progressive,
      Which makes his actions much too excessive,
      When he goes, I hope it's for good,
      Perhaps stuck deeply into the 'hood.
      But that's not where he will be treated,
      Instead on many a board he'll be seated.

      Michael, we've gotta save this stuff and publish a book. Poems of the Antichrist?
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  • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 9 months ago
    This will come as no surprise to those who have studied history and have paid attention to what is going on over the last 20+ years. History repeats itself.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 9 months ago
    RE the article's statement, "The global economy desperately needs the price of oil to go back up . . ." Why? My understanding is that lower energy prices are a net benefit to the world economy. (And imagine what John Galt's motor would do to oil prices.)
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    • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 9 months ago
      This is the sort of economic thinking that shows just how irrational economics has become. All commodities will fall in price over time in an economy in which creates new technologies. The key is property rights for inventions. These falling prices are good for the economy.

      Short term price swings that are not the result of new technologies may be bad for the economy, but not truly important in the long term in technologically dynamic economy.
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      • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago
        Prices can drop because of an expanding j labor supply or an influx of workers willing to work for less. I don't see anything wrong with declining prices. It's part of the way an economy balances itself
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      • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 9 months ago
        It all depends on the reason for the fall in commodity prices. If they fall due to innovation it's not all bad. However, if they fall due to shrinking demand when population is growing it indicates less money moving around which would indicate a move toward recession. Generally, if prices drop then you get a whip-saw effect and demand increases re-stimulating the economy. However, commodity prices have been steadily heading south, which indicates the system is broken.
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  • Posted by MagicDog 8 years, 9 months ago
    Or catastrophic collapse. You can look at years of seasonal adjustment factors for January (or any other month) and not find any consistent, objective formula. They make it up, as needed.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
    Dear FFA
    You are 100% correct. But not only are the economic signs frightening, predicting as they do a total burst (there isn't any bubble left) but culturally, the future looks bleak. For example: "Pride and Prejudice and Zombies?" Holy moly, gimme a break! The Florida Symphony giving a series of concerts based on movie themes, Beatles tunes, etc. Whatever happened to Peter and the Wolf? Then, there's Netflix. I started watching a series about a woman with super powers. I thought, at last a woman superhero. Turns out she's a boozing, slutty, confused person with only one major virtue, which is she refrains from killing people. Whoopie.
    SO...The country is heading for economic and cultural dissolution. Will we survive? Will we want to survive? I hope so, because I've got grandkids, and a great grandkid. I want them to carry on with the Herbie genes. Maybe they'll be the ones to turn things around.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
      "she's a boozing, slutty, confused person"
      That was only because of her father and her brother and her uncle and her boyfriends. Evil white men who ignored her emotional needs, choosing to make money to pay for her gourmet meals, McMansion, designer clothing, Harvard tuition, and Porsche speedster.
      Tv writing has been sexist since before sexist was a word. Got to keep the viewers hate and fear levels high to distract them from the real dangers.
      The ethical "heros" that tv does give us all seem to work for the NYPD or the FBI, notably Henry Morgan of the cancelled Forever, and Rick Castle of Castle. Only wish the FBI was run by one of those characters.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
      As a big fan of classical music (listening to it right now), I will point out that the only good classical music currently being written is movie themes. Some of these themes (eg Shore's LOTR) are worthy of Wagner (yes, I like Wagner; this was not tongue in cheek). I have heard symphonic variations on Beatles themes and while I am not fond of the Beatles I found the symphony stunning.

      I totally agree with you, Herb, about the writhing, beat-up, dark, 'heros', notably Daredevil and Jessica Jones. This feels similar to SF in the 1970's, when Analog published story after depressing story about bad people doing sad things. I will stick with Captain America, thank you (and Thor is just not hard to look at...mmm). There was a telling scene in Ultron when Hawkeye's wife tells him that the team needs him (in spite of the fact that he is an archer trying to keep up with demi-gods) because he is the only grown-up on the team. We are idolizing people whose lives are falling apart in spite of the tremendous assets they have - and this is a bad symptom.

      Jan
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      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
        It was Jessica Jones I was referring to. I watched Daredevil because I'm a fan (senior moment) of the actor who played the villain whose name escapes me. He's one of the best character actors around and became an actual three dimensional villain with a backstory that explains his actions and when he falls in love. Excellent writing. After a while, I almost started rooting for him. Remembered! Vincent DeNofrio
        As to classical music, you and I are in agreement that some of the best is being written for movies. Composers of today seem to have forgotten that the whole idea of music is that it is a form of entertainment, not a test that one goes to in order to figure out what the hell is going on. John Williams is a favorite in the kind of music of Berlioz, Elmer Bernstein's music for westerns and of course Marlboro cigarettes.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
          I figured you were referring to JJ. I read and liked the Daredevil comics when they came out, but the 'dark and gritty' Daredevil of Netflix holds no attraction for me. I watched about 5 minutes of JJ...then turned her off!

          Jan
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
            She was a big disappointment. I don't mind "dark and gritty" but I'd like my heroes to be heroic. "The times they are a-changin'"
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
              While I am probably less fond of dark than you are, I basically agree: I can have some dark in a story as long as it is matched by heroic.

              The other touchstone I have found will be no surprise to you: Competence Porn. I am totally in love with Competence Porn. My heroes can go through dark times, but when I can see them extricating themselves from whatever besets them by sheer ability...well, that is what I really like. (The Martian was an excellent example of this. Atlas Shrugged was an odd inversion of this - heroes extricating themselves from a situation by refusing to use their competence for society.)

              Jan
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              • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                Darn, Jan, that stuff sets a bad example. Ought to be banned. Puts politicians productivity toward promised goals in a bad light. People can't handle the truth.
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                • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                  Let's hear it for BAD EXAMPLES!!

                  HipHip -HURRAH!

                  Jan
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                    I enjoyed The Martian a lot. The book was even better.
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                    • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                      I have just reread the book; have the DVD of the movie. I think I like the movie a tiny bit better, mainly because of the ending. I felt a bit cheated by the book ending with Watney smelling bad and waiting for a shower. The ending of the movie might as well have been labeled "Starfleet Academy"...liked that a lot.

                      I had thought that Mark was wearing glasses during those last scenes because of the number of times he had breathed pure oxygen in the course of his Martian excursions, but I did a bit more research and it was probably due to the acceleration of the hot-roded MAV. This sort of attention to detail makes my little techie heart go pity-pat.

                      Jan
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              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
                Another example was the movie "Gravity."
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                • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                  Not a very good example since the physics was purposely ignored so the real hero was unrealistically lost and a PC hero was manufactured.
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                  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
                    You must be an engineer. That's the kind of remark I'd get from my son. Being a non-tech (Hey, a new word: Nontech.") I know it's scifi and not necessarily real science, but it did portray a person not giving up in the face of adversity which is a heroic behavior.
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
                      Nontchs, humanoids, bureaurats? Where will it end? Hopefully never. Wow that was five consonants in a row not the record holder but nice.

                      twndlngs meaning twinning.
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                    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                      Yes, gotta appeal to the broad audience. Let's just call it fiction then since science is not a concern.
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                      • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
                        Very good. But anything relating to space is science in the minds of most people, even if it's crap science. The thing about the movie Gravity is the question, is it about the science or the person? The answer is that it is about the person. Movies should entertain and as a result we dampen disbelief in order enjoy the tale. We all know that Bert Lahr who played the Cowardly Lion in The Wizard of Oz was in no way even the slightest representation of a true lion. But that didn't take away from his delightful performance.
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                        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                          No, the fact has to be at least plausible in order for the fiction to be good - this applies to sociology, economics and history in addition to science.

                          I recently began reading a fantasy novel that had such a poor understanding of economics, trade, and technology that I could not finish it, in spite of the fact that the author spun a good story. For example: an entirely insular medieval subsistence country where the country is unaware (because it does not engage in trade) that its neighboring countries are being attacked and taken over by an invading army but the nobles of said subsistence country have estate homes filled with velvets and silks and china. When the book got to the 'crudely welded gun' (the invaders had) I could not maintain my 'suspension of disbelief'.

                          What authors need to realize is that it matters if your world 'hangs together' well and that flagrant inaccuracies (The Black Hole: asteroid crushes space station without any explosive decompression) lead to loss of belief. The Science is in science fiction for a reason, but accuracy also applies to historical and other forms of fiction.

                          Jan
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                          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
                            OK, I can't help but agree with you in the case you cite. However, the goofy part of the scenario you describe, is intrinsic to the plot, but the science behind the events in Gravity are merely what Hitchcock calls, the "McGuffin." That is a device which in itself is not essential but gets the action going.
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                            • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                              Just in case you missed the details, here is a fair critique of the deadly artistic license taken in Gravity:
                              http://www.spaceanswers.com/space-exp...
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                              • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
                                Sheesh
                                you guys just don't get it. I go to the movies to be entertained. If I were to use the criteria you espouse I would never enjoy half the flicks I see. I could name at least a dozen movies, not all of them scifi that make little sense scientifically that are entertaining, or amusing, or yes, edifying. The science part is not, I repeat Not what the movie is about. It is about a resourceful person not giving up in the face of continuing adversity. The movie, The Martian may be more scientifically correct, but it's not about the science, but about a guy who is tenacious and will not allow himself to be defeated by his circumstances.
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                                • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                                  "guy who is tenacious and will not allow himself to be defeated by his circumstances."
                                  Oh I get it, but its more than that, Herb. Its a guy who does things after a rational reasoning process to choose his actions that result in survival., he is not a cute politically correct character that would have died several times following the poorly reasoned script. People are getting trained to accept rubbish, and they are the people who will vote Hillary into office and destroy our way of life. If a movie is just fluff entertainment, that's fine, but when its supposed to be based in science, and it gets it wrong, I object.
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                            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                              FTL/dimensional/time travel are standard McGuffin's of SF; 'magic' and 'gods' are similarly situated for Fantasy. I do not have any problems with accepting a given premise, as long as the rest of the world hangs together well.

                              Jan
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      • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
        Yeay, Cap!
        This is also why one comic book hero (who could beat all the depressed demi-gods) in particular is mostly ignored: Superman is just too good. Can't have a main character who "never lies."
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        • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
          Superman's problem is not that he is so good, it is that he is so powerful it is difficult to create plots around him. So - from what I read - the current Superman movies and comics are tearing him down too.

          One of the main problems that I see in our social uber consciousness over the past several decades, FFA, is that we have managed to make 'good' genuinely unattractive. I like the tendency in the comic book movies to make 'good' a positive thing again (but then along comes JJ and Daredevil...sigh).

          Jan, art leads: but where it is going I'm not sure I want to travel...
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          • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
            Have you noticed that Supergirl is perfectly fine for tv in spite of the power, but not Superman?
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            • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
              I have not been following that show - read a number of reviews and decided to stay away. How does the show deal with 'she can do any damn thing she want to and nothing can harm her'? (Kryptonite - but you know what I mean.)
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              • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                Not watching it either. Just mentioned it as an example of the PC propagandists ignoring the traditional excuse against superman in order to promote the PC character, supergirl.
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                • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 9 months ago
                  Ah. Sorry - missed that. I had assumed that you were following the show and had secret geek info I lacked!

                  Were I to try to create a Superman show, I would diminish his powers. He did not originally have heat vision, for example, and his 'flying' was more extended jumping (like the Hulk). I think that I would probably keep the flying (because, good scenes), do away with the heat vision and then make his xray vision 'the ability to see further into the IR spectrum' - so, like a heat scope. Hmmm...invulnerability...maybe morph it into 'really tough' plus 'regeneration'.

                  Cutting down the powers would give one room for more Super-person plots where there was real risk and vulnerability. (You cannot have heroes without the weight of possible cost to oneself.)

                  Yeah, I get your point about Supergirl-is-OK because she is a just girl and therefor cannot possibly be so powerful that she will be boring. But I remember when Mrs Peel was criticized because she was 'unfeminine' because she actually physically fought opponents. That was followed by several decades of women who did not fight - or who did an incredibly bad job of doing so (ie on Original Star Trek). Finally, B5 had some scenes where women kicked butt...over 30 years later. So, while I would rather gaze at Superman than Supergirl, I react with a "Yay Team!" to that aspect of modern culture.

                  Jan
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                  • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
                    Agreed, it's supposed to require some suspension of reality to believe it anyway.
                    For some reason writers believe the heroes can be so fantastic physically but must be complete basket cases emotionally and intellectual Neanderthals. That's not what heroes are; that's a propaganda caricature.
                    Cap is not a good example, so he must go.
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          • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
            Sounds like lazy, unimaginative writers. Lots of new technology since superman was born, but very few Heinleins to use it creatively.
            JJ, wretch! Barely made it through one episode.
            Canadian tv's Murdoch Mysteries has some admirable characters (and some pc history lessons.) William Shatner was a guest star in a recent episode as Mark Twain.
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/william-s...
            "Nikola Tesla, Thomas Edison, Harry Houdini, Winston Churchill and Bat Masterson have all appeared on the show."
            There is, of course, a beleagered inventor-capitalist with a recurring role. He succeeds against adversity (and against the meddling of Murdoch and the constabulary) albeit with modest rewards at best.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
    freedomforall,

    you must live near grand junction because I have been looking at for over a year now at least one mile or more of engines. I commented about this a while ago.
    The recession started during the bush administration and the new no nothing that moved into the white house has done his best very successfully I might add to the further the decline in the economy. success comes with a price. people write to me all the time enquiring when my sale will end, I tell them when the economy gets better, and they breathe and sigh of relief. do you think they understand that the situation is not good for them if all products are being sold a reductions, no!
    Ayn Rand was an optimist when she ended AS on a positive note. The reality is we will continue to deteriorate for the next 10 to 20 years and more and more industry will come to a halt. This down turn is affecting the whole world and we will ultimately be the last to fall. the primitive cultures will not be affected because they have nothing like we have, but the advanced cultures who have a higher economic life style will. The first to decline are the oil producing countries of the middle east. the warring going on there now is just the beginning, but from there it will spread globally. as g. bush said "welcome to the new world order".
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 9 months ago
    sounds like "blaming Bush syndrome" and the massive
    welfare state is floundering. -- j
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    • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 9 months ago
      The other day I texted one of my friends who is still working in the maritime field to ask about the scuttlebutt in the industry. I mentioned the record low Baltic Index and asked if this was being seen as a harbinger of future economic problems. The first response was "W." Really? After 7 years the diehard dems are still blaming George W. for any and every problem.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is entirely correct. However, if the moves he makes in order to survive were in some way incorrect but the story remained the same, I wouldn't care. SO..let's agree to disagree and end this thread which is getting pretty boring, since we are pretty much saying the same things over & over & over.......
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 9 months ago
    When I was working, I worked for a couple of trucking companies and I worked in the maritime field. Just saying the Baltic Index Dry index is at 303 probably doesn't mean much to most folks. To me it is VERY scary. The high in the index was before the big recession. It reached over 11,000. Panmax vessels at that time were charging up to $80,000 per day. They could do that because the demand for raw materials was huge. Then the crash came and vessels were swinging at anchor anyplace they could find a cheap safe harbor. That was when the Baltic Index was at 500. At 300 it does not make sense to do anything but park the ship. I have gone to cash with most of my investments. This feels so much like 2007-2008.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago
    These are not all true statements, and some of these are certainly not indicative of global turmoil.
    Get a more pro-free market President elected and much can be reversed.
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    • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
      I do not believe you completely understand how the government operates. There are no pro-free market presidents. The president is the spokesman for who ever really runs things and they want ALL OF OUR MONEY so it is the presidents job to see how he can effectively make that happen. It is in small segments over time that this happens., Therefore do not expect a reversal from whom ever the next president is or his successors..
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      • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago
        I said "more" pro-free market. That would not be so hard.
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        • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
          you are either pro free market or you are not. as Ayn Rand has explained a mixed economy does not work. politicians will ultimately be the last ones to understand that, so "more" is meaningless.
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          • Posted by tdechaine 8 years, 9 months ago
            Wrong. More free market means less push for controls et al. Obama is less free market than his predecessors and look where we have gone in 7 years.
            Don't confuse relative differences with principles. Free marketers always vote for the candidate who is least statist for a reason - regardless of the fact that all of them might be mixed.
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            • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 9 months ago
              when all is said and done and we have a new president, and I expect it will be a republican and they all suggest that they are free market defenders we will see how things go. I believe that the turn around that you are suggesting that will happen will not happen. the economy of the world will dictate how things economically go and I believe they will continue to go down the toilet. some one said the chickens are coming home to roost and the direction followed by all of the presidents probably since Lincoln is the direction that has been followed. they simply have learned nothing and 0's policy has put the country and ultimately the world into a situation that I do not know of anyone who can offer advice that will cause the economy to even start to turn for the better. technically we are moving to a fascist economy, by passing socialism. time will tell!
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