Welfare is theft

Posted by Slick 12 years, 1 month ago to Government
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Welfare is theft, not only because government must steal from those who produce in order to fund social programs. But because it robs those who use welfare, of the initiative to make money by thrift or other creative means for themselves.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
    Wow.

    I have said this to people around me for years, about 20 of them. It is so cool to find another who also is stating it. Bravo.
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    • Posted by 12 years, 1 month ago
      Thank you, I received a lot of flak from friends and family for posting that originally. Most of the people on welfare wouldn't even need it if government got out of the way entirely. There are plenty of good charities out there who can help those who are desperately in need. Most people are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
        Most will if presented with no other choice. There is also some value for both the reciever and the giver in a person having to ask for the charity rather than being entitled to it.

        The civility that is created in people who give to a charity to help others of there own choice is priceless in society. The frustration of having the money stolen is equally priceless in a negative way.

        It is much easier to go take a handout when you are entitled to it, than when you have to beg for it. That need to beg causes most people to find another way. I think most people that will be looters in our entitlement system would not be in a charity and beggar system.

        Who feels good about getting something they are entitled to and paid into for years?

        Who feels good about begging for something they did not earn?

        You are correct most people when faced with the second choice would work. The truly eveil thing about welfare is that somewhere among those who are locked into taking welfare is a mind with an idea that just needs a bit of necessity to have that idea explode out of there head and make the next Microsoft only in another yet undiscovered field. That mined is being repressed and destroyed by the idea of entitlements.

        The cost of welfare is greater even than your article states.
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  • Posted by trackman13 12 years, 1 month ago
    This is a fact. Look at the long term effect that welfare has had on the African American community. Men and Women have grown up on the system and many don't have the desire to leave the system. There are always exceptions to any generalization but Welfare is a real example of Class Warfare if i've ever seen it.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years, 1 month ago
    It is much like the bird feeder analogy. As long as you keep the bird feeder full, the birds will keep coming back and crapping on your patio furniture. When the feeder is empty they go find their own seeds. Our government should provide only “people kibble” (bags of vitamin enriched bulk grain products) and water to the truly destitute if they are able bodied. Let charities provide what they will. The same should be done for foreign aid. Send them bags of people kibble and water well drilling equipment nothing more. Air-drop them near villages in need; the governments can’t be trusted. When you give money it is misused and abused! The truly indigent or infirmed are a different matter. We are a humane people, but our humanity has been taken advantage of by the indolent!
    O.A.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
      While I think you are being somewhat sarcastic about the people kibble (would be good for prison food) I have to disagree.

      The government has no place in humanitarian efforts. They have no money of there own to participate with. If I choose to give my time or money to a Humanitarian or charitable cause of my choice, that is mine to choose. Its my money I earned it and I can do with it what I will.

      The government only has the responsibility of protecting its citizens from force being used against them by another citizen or outside force. No other act is permitted.

      The allows for a military, which could be paid for by a sales or income tax but not both. All people benefit, but those who have more benefit more from the protection military offers. If a income tax it must be flat (all people pay the same percentage of earnings) and must be the same for all sources of income; corporate, capital gains, owner, partner or wages. The source does not matter.

      The courts are a place that is needed to allow disputes that involve the failure to comply to agreements (force by omission is still force) and the use of various mechanics within society to supply force which is paid for by the plaintiff should he loose, and the defendant should he loose.

      Finally patiants to protect personal property, which should be paid for annually by the patient holder so long as they want the patient enforced.

      I can think of no other way in which the government would protect is citizens against the use of force upon them.
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      • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years, 1 month ago
        Hello XenokRoy,
        In principle I completely agree with you. Sarcasm… a little bit perhaps; I am just floating an alternative to the present state of things. I am offering a less painful/ expensive alternative, since I believe we as a people are not ready to cut the government umbilical cord completely. You and I may be happy to do so, but we are yet a minority. Yes, on the prison food. I believe charities and private philanthropists would be wise to send the supplies I mentioned to foreign lands in the way I described. Too often foreign governments abscond the supplies for their own benefit, not their people. On all other points in your post we are in complete agreement.
        O.A.
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        • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
          I too agree that the method you describe would be a good choice for the private humanitarian groups to use for delivery methods. Then Egypt would not be able to buy a nuclear sub from Germany with the money we provided for assistance to the people of that country.

          Oh, and you are right many people will not accept freedom when it stares them in the face today. The responsibility of being free is more than they can bear.
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          • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 12 years, 1 month ago
            XenokRoy,
            Excellent!
            A three for one win! People desiring to give aid will be happy to see it to those intended (the corollary: the intended needy receive) and Americans will not provide the weapons of their own destruction.
            I do not believe it is possible to wean the dependents in one swift blow. You are quite right; they fear freedom and liberty because of the responsibility they bear. However, I believe as did Benjamin Franklin when he said- “I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.” On the Price of Corn and Management of the Poor (29 November 1766)
            Regards,
            O.A.
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            • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
              I love that quote from Franklin, its one of my favorites. I like to combine it with one from Jefferson "That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves." because if a people discipline themselves they are more self sufficient requiring less from others, the government or their neighbor. I combine the two to state, let anyone who has not learned to be self sufficient go through the process of learning enough discipline to reach a self sufficient state. I am all for helping people through the process of learning financial and educational discipline so long as it is done through private means, but I am not for helping people avoid the experiences that would teach that discipline as doing so is self destructive to the individual and through them self destructive to society.
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  • Posted by Christina1980 11 years, 7 months ago
    I fortunately have lessened the amount of liberal friends I have due to they are annoying and can't make them see how and what they believe is wrong and destroying America!!
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    • Posted by overmanwarrior 11 years, 7 months ago
      Good for you. It's hard to have friends who don't share values. Its one thing to like the same television shows, or the same place to eat, but core beliefs are not easily coverd with materialism.
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    • Posted by khalling 11 years, 7 months ago
      which makes them more than annoying. their votes are individual guns pointed at your head.
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 7 months ago
        Part of my very long conversation with one of my friends last week involved her asking if I'm okay with some of our other friends even though they are liberals and I said, probably not for long, sitting in the same room with them is getting difficult and she said "well you can still be friends even if you don't agree on some things." and I said, "Not when you finally realize that their 'difference of opinion' is a direct threat against your freedom, even if THEY don't realize their actions are doing that it doesn't excuse the fact that it's true....so why do I want to continue socializing with someone who is actively working against me??" She said, "Wow.... I hadn't thought of it like that." I said, "I have...hence the difficulty of being in the same room with them." I also just added that quote from the other post about..."not remembering the words of your enemies just the silence of your friends" to my email signature... If these "friends" of mine don't wake up it sure won't be from my lack of effort. You got quote of the day, kh... well one of them anyway. lol
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    • Posted by LetsShrug 11 years, 7 months ago
      Join the club. It gets the point of "I'm getting NOTHING from this relationship and they can't see that I'm annoyed by their stupidity." I just isn't worth the wasted time and effort to keep that kind of a relationship going. As I said to a friend who was questioning my decision for dropping a mutual friend, who I had been trying to sway for years and then dropped like a hot potato the day after the election with nary a word about it because the way I see, SHE should KNOW why I'm no longer speaking to her, after all the talks we've had, especially the last one we had... "We are adults and I owe her NOTHING. If she can't figure it out....then she won't." It has occurred to me several times that if she really thought our friendship were worth salvaging she'd read the book.... that's the only thing that might have done it too. Apparently she thinks I'm not worth the effort either. lol
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  • Posted by Benjamin24 12 years, 1 month ago
    I agree with what you are saying in principle. Also I must note that it was posted on a website designed for an (unfortunately) small group of like-minded people. However I fear that the discourse in America is so warped today by statist influence that choosing to attack welfare in a discussion with your average American would be equated with attacking the poor. I understand and agree with your point. But I worry about our message all too often being taken in the wrong way. I normally prefer to break your line of reasoning into two separate arguments when I discuss it with people of varying viewpoints. First I would argue that Taxation is theft. Then I might explain that government programs are inefficient and foster dependence.
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