U.S. sailors humiliated because of, well, what?
our nation is behaving so stupidly with respect to Iran
that this is nearly impossible to believe. . and what
could have caused two simultaneous boat failures --
Iran's fledgling EMP program, or a staged event
to prove how the president is doing things right,
according to the Iranians, And The Congress Is All Wrong??? -- j
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that this is nearly impossible to believe. . and what
could have caused two simultaneous boat failures --
Iran's fledgling EMP program, or a staged event
to prove how the president is doing things right,
according to the Iranians, And The Congress Is All Wrong??? -- j
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Lt., take your 2 over-sized ski boats and go to Bahrain., so keep the shore on your right and don't go out too far.
Yes sir.
Get plenty of gas, and make sure you have a towline.
Yes sir.
And don't go gallivanting off to the Iranian island 150 KM off the coast, stay clear of it.
Yes sir.
Use your radar, GPS and double check each other.
Yes sir.
Call if you need help.
Yes sir.
ooopppsss.
There is much more to this story, there just has to be. They can not be that stupid and incompetent, even at night, GPS just works, there is not "punch buttons" as the idiot Sec Def says. They have radar, (note to Lt.: clue you are going the wrong way: the land isn't on your right anymore). They should easily have had every indication they were going off on the wrong course. It just doesn't make sense, and all the stupid things the Obamanation and his gang are just tossing out there, just adds to the perception that this is "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks". No wonder everything has gone to crap.
I'm also wondering what kind of Obamanable PC compliance orders those sailors may have been under.
Needless to say, this is totally idiotic and in the case of the corp, will only demolish the morale and efficiency of the units. It will also (sorry if I am stepping on anyone's toes) require the lowering of standards significantly, especially in the RECON area.
God bless that phone and pen that he wields so well! I'm sure with this edict, the Iranians (and everyone else) are laughing and planning their next military adventures now that they don't have to fear the US military.
Our current military with the leadership from the president on down is on the wrong trajectory and as such, making our place in the world that much more dangerous. This is what you get when you give a child a dangerous toy that he has no clue about. He, like Carter have given us a military that is rapidly losing its swagger and guts. Those boats should never have been deployed unless on a mission of extreme importance. That does not appear to be the case.
It will take another Reagan to come in and fix the mess these last 14 years have given us. The military has been misused, abused and weakened by the leadership of both of these men, primarily Obama and in Obama's case with a certain amount of knowledge aforethought!
the truth about this incident. -- j
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So it's beyond me what happened, we traveled fully armed, extra 50 mm guns along both port and starboard.
How did the guys put theirs guns down to the Persians? Well who's the CinC?
He needs to be court-martialed. The last time an American soldier or sailor was surrendered and on their knees like that was Vietnam.... (and another Democrat President)..
But they should have never been there.
I go walking through 20 square miles of unfamiliar wooded area when I go hunting, and the trusty iPhone always gets me back to my truck by dark.
20 millennials on the boat, someone had to have had something to keep them away from Farsi Island.
I am tired of it. . we are able to do more with our
society than any other country, and share more real
value than any others, so let's quit apologizing and
DO IT ! -- j
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Gremlin, Frederick T III
Snoman, Frazier, T.
Louis, Louie, NMI
Thang, Wilder T.
and we had the dog tags to prove it.
Anyone could quit at any time. No problem. Next stop back to Bragg and reassignment to the 82nd . A fate worse than hillary getting elected.
We lost five percent or a bit more of our unit. They were never allowed back.
All to buy 24 hours. But you did it for your fellow soldiers not for God, Country, Americans, or the flag. We did for our equals.
Only comment at the end. Why didyou wait until after Vienam to give the training?
Answer. Didn't know what to train. But the planning started in the middle of that conflict.
We built a better unit. and made ourselves into better soldiers and human beings. Our unit was different in that respect. Much different.
i would rather doubt those sailors had any idea what they had gotten into. No one tells a snipe or deck hand nuttin from nuttin' They are in a word...expendable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdYbi...
-- j
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envy you, Michael, but the story is sure interesting! -- j
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of my comment;;; I am just over the mistakes and apologies
like this which occur as a direct result of mis-managed
military actions. . I seriously suspect that this was a ploy
to prove that Iran is nice to us because of the diplomatic
actions attending the "Iran Deal." . it's disgusting. -- j
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The way I read it is, there may be good reasons for the capture,
if so let such reasons (if any) come out at the trial.
to make up time en-route to a refueling stop. -- j
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Why did those guys surrender without firing a shot?
If the tables were turned and an Iranian boat drifted into US water, would the US military have responded similarly? Any idea?
Rear Echelon Mother Feathers.
Which doesn't mean all are bad. But the public trusts the politicians who trust the REMFs in one big ass kissing CYA framework and that is one reason public has lost it's country and why combat soldiers wonder why? And wonder if they are worth the effort. The reminder is we never swore allegiance to citizens or country or Presidents. Only to the Constitution.
Since they took over the promotion slots for those who had followed the system and were 'seasoned' combat leader there was no love lost. The attitude was let them hang themselves if it isn't materially threatening the mission or the lives. Some years later after the instant puddings departed we got our promotions but never said Thank you.. The worst enemy a combat soldier has is Army personnel at the Pentagon level. But it's not wonder things go wrong if that's the level of training today. The REMFs always win. Soldiers just die.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/01/d...
The neocons are stamping their little feet.
As McAdams quotes McCain (the SOB from my state of Arizona), “sovereign immune naval vessels are exempt from detention, boarding, or search. Their crews are not subject to detention or arrest.”
Then McAdams points out: “Imagine the tune McCain would have been singing if a well-armed Iranian naval vessel had been spotted in US territorial waters off the coast of New York. Would he have so rigorously condemned any US interference in the actions of Iran’s sovereign naval vessels?”
Even the Greta van Susteren, the grand Scientologist, said the GPS on her iPhone worked in Cambodia. One would think the US military would have at least one GPS on two boats that worked.
My blame lies with whatever clown was in command of these things, that they both got lost.
Here's the reality, this time of year - it is very pleasant in the Persian Gulf, probably 70's at night, not much urban light pollution so the stars are definitely out, they are away from the cruisers & whatever, young pup of an officer is in command for the first or one of the first times, they broke out some beers and were sitting there sipping on some cold ones relaxing on the ski boats and some guys with guns rolled up on them.
I'm wondering if they were "guests" of the Iranians because they were too drunk to drive the boats.
Nothing serious happened... but after a few hours of German beer in the red light district, probably being a little louder than we should have been walking by the downtown train station.. and you should have seen the look on the unarmed German police officers faces that stopped to question us at 2 am in the morning with their little billy club things when 3 of the guys were OSI agents and had concealed firearms in shoulder holsters on them. It was classic.
Then we loaded up a HumVee with a bunch of cases of German beer to smuggle into the C-5 cargo bay the next morning.
That was back in the early 90s... the Germans were still pretty much our little lapdog.
Rwanda was horrible... 90% AIDS infection rate, so you didn't want a local to even touch you, so for fun we mounted-up and went safari hunting. Peacekeeping can be incredibly boring.
What we saw was blatantly hostile.
Having lived on a ship for 2 years AND piloted small assault craft I can say without a doubt there was sabotage involved. Experienced mechanics, who do nothing but their vocation 24/7, conduct daily maintenance and overhaul routines on all boats. For total failure to occur, days or weeks of neglect, or complete incompetence, would have to have occurred - it just doesn't happen.
Reports are coming in today that the Oministration informed the Iranians of the disabled crafts location.Why? If the disabled craft was that bad why did they not tow it into safer waters? Where was the ship these boats report to? Where was the air protection? Why wasn't a ship dispatched when the two craft had "issues"?
Anyone surprised that Iran is releasing prisoners now? Anyone surprised that Kerry is saying Iran has met all conditions to have sanctions lifted?
O is all about empowering and emboldening islam while tearing down this nation. He is a traitor and history will reveal him so even if today we PREFER to wear blinders.
The other possibility of testing an EMP weapon as was mentioned. Their not dumb people, they have the brainpower their engineers and scientists which they maipulate at their
discretion. It is a good hypothysis they know that our larger naval vessels are hardened against such attack. The Iranians with such weapons could control the Straits of Hormuz and reek havoc on all commercial vessels.
The Iranians are laughing at us because every day this president licks another boot. As for the Iranians, he has just done another totally idiotic thing. After all of the humiliations handed to him by the Iranians ever since the sham of a nuclear deal, they just added another whopper!
Yesterday, Obama allowed the US to sell aircraft to his masters in Iran. Between Kerry and Obama, they should have the region on its knees in short order and the world will suffer accordingly!
For what its worth!
I hate to see it expressed as "Our Nation", America or The United States. I'd rather put the blame right where it is...A corrupt, callus, ignorant government...otherwise known as a Kakistocracy...there's my favorite word again!...sorry.
Secondly, serving in the military, during the Carter administration, it doesn't surprise me that a military vessel would break down, considering O"bomb"ya's budget cuts. Remember the failed attempt to rescue the American hostages, from Iran, in 1979? Having been "there", I still suspect those aircraft accidents were due to Carter's budget cuts...though, the press would never admit that.
Then again that was Constitution not patriot act government.
whole thing disgusting. I'm going to leave this
library and go home for lunch while my stomach
can still handle it.
So do we think Obama will pardon Hillary if she is indicted, or tolerate Bernie being the standard-bearer? Obama is pretty much a socialist, I'm suspecting he might be rooting for Bernie anyway.