Bill Maher on Rand Paul

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Rand Paul, probably the only R or D I could force myself to consider voting for in 2016
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 9 months ago
    Bill Maher is an ass. I agree with Rand Paul's position but I would also like it if Bill Maher would just shut up.
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    • Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago
      Tell us how you feel rich. I think Paul is the best choice. He is our only hope for bringinging over the 20-30s vote. They are not that enthused about Hilary like they were about Obama.
      Maher's point about empirialization is an interesting one. Although I agree I am done being the world's army, I maintain we were never about Empire like say a Russia, China, Britain. I think there 's a Rand quote on point. I' ll be back in a sec
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      • Posted by khalling 10 years, 9 months ago
        My highlighting feature on my Kindle doesn' t want to cooperate. Anyway in Capitalism The Unknown Ideal section Roots of War, Rand points out that in WW II the US amassed huge debt, provided lienhold leases to Germany and Japan and stayed to help rebuild. This is all part of semicapitalism. On the other hand Russia an China dismantled factories seized stolen artwork and other resources as payment. Very feudalistic. So the argument regarding empirialism is an inaccurate portrayal of what we do in war. An accurate observation may be a Keynsian concept which is military industrial complex. Yet it fails. War does not pull us out of recession or depression. War takes valuable resources from certain areas of the economy and gives it artificially to others. New and emerging technologies for military purposes rarely disrupt across all industries -which is how you create jobs.
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        • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 9 months ago
          One reason I am no longer a Republican is the social conservatives. Another is the military industrial complex. We can draw down our defense budget without hurting our ability to defend ourselves or hurt our ability to respond around the globe.
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          • Posted by Lana 10 years, 8 months ago
            I used to be a republican but cannot bring myself to vote GOP.
            Romney couldn't consistently support an idea as he would change his stance as the wind blows. Now where is the integrity in that? I can't support the Christian Right and all of their BS. I couldn't believe the libertarian party when Tom Delay became their candidate. Ayn Rand would hold her nose at the GOP and what it has degenerated to.
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          • Posted by airfredd22 10 years, 9 months ago
            Re: richrobinson,

            You are mistaken in your belief that we can draw down on our military defense budget without consequences. Your view would only be true as long as we were able to maintain the strongest military in order to quickly oppose any enemy. And let there be no mistake, we do have enemies as we are still the only really free nation on earth. By free in this instance I mean economically, politically i.e. free speech and free economic principles. At least that was true until the present administration took over.

            In order to maintain the above strength we also need the military might to protect our allies. Western Europe is vulnerable to Russia as it has always been and now we have a rising power in the Pacific region, China. The danger of shrinking our military lies in the length of time required to gear up again if needed. keep in mind that at the beginning of WWII we were still flying bi-planes and barely had a few light tanks compared to Germany and Japan. At that time what protected us were the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans and gave us the necessary time to build up our industrial capacity to catch up. In the nuclear age we don't have such luxury.

            Fred Speckmann
            commonsenseforamericans@yahoo.com
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      • Posted by ErinAtkins4 10 years, 9 months ago
        I think I threw up a little at the idea I may agree with Maher about something . . .

        Paul definitely has a good chance with younger voters if Hillary can be painted as BHO - just in a blue pantsuit. . . in 2 years, I think most people will be completely fed up with Obama & ready for someone who can articulate liberty well.
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      • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 9 months ago
        I always liked Ron Paul. I think Rand has a better chance and is more electable. I much prefer him to Chris Christie. I was hoping Nikki Haley or another Republican female would emerge as a possible candidate also. Still time.
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        • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
          I always like Ron Paul too, I'm just not as sold on Rand as I am on Ron. I agree with you on why I'm not a Republican, social conservatives (thought I do agree with them on abortion, but for different reasons)... but I think the military industrial complex has control of the Democrats just as much. Rand Paul has shown an ability to get thrown a loaded progressive question, and throw it right back in their faces. He comes off as sure of himself and of his beliefs and also quick witted, but not snarky like a lot of progressives do. Debate moderators would have a hard time helping the progressive candidates as much as they normally do, because Rand would likely completely flip their loaded question on their own heads. By the way, I can't stand Bill Maher either, the funniest thing about him is that he's referred to himself as a libertarian.
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          • Posted by Susannah 10 years, 9 months ago
            The thing that has me worried about Rand Paul is that he has backed Mitch McConnell for reelection. That in itself is enough to put me off Paul. Also, for whatever reason, for me he smacks too much of the old guard GOP. JMHO.
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        • Posted by Lana 10 years, 8 months ago
          Ron Paul had integrity. Rand Paul is a bland shadow not at all like his father. Rand Paul is a politician.
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          • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 8 months ago
            Its hard to know if Rand is playing the game knowing he has to get elected to do any good or if he is benefiting from his dads name.
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            • Posted by Lana 10 years, 8 months ago
              So how can you know the truth? A man has to say what he means and stand by it so we can make an informed choice.... But then again I don't really believe that any politician is capable of telling the truth..... Ron Paul was as close as we get to say what you mean. For the very few truth sayers... They are never popular.
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              • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 8 months ago
                Very true Lana. I have no problem hearing the truth. Unfortunately the majority of voters have one or two issues they base their vote on. If you are on the wrong side of one or two issues you are unelectable. It's wrong but it's the way it is.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 9 months ago
    A recognition that there is a difference between Isolationism and non-intervention is essential.
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    • Posted by 10 years, 9 months ago
      Foreign policy is one of the best issues to attract young people and more liberal people. Having someone who can properly explain the difference between isolationism and non-interventionalism on the national stage is extremely important. If someone can actually reach liberals who have similar foreign policy and civil liberty beliefs as we do, and make them understand economic freedom and property rights are essential to their beliefs being practical, a lot of liberals could probably see the light.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 9 months ago
    Such comments from someone as obviously progressive as Bill Maher because he's always reaching for his younger audience just serves to tell us how important Rand Paul is becoming within that demographic. Yea for liberty.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 9 months ago
    There were a bunch of people on this board back in '12 that wouldn't vote for Romney, and my guess is just stayed home, or voted for some 3rd party also ran.

    That's how we ended up with this moron for a second time. And it's going to bankrupt us.
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    • Posted by Lana 10 years, 8 months ago
      In all fairness who started a totally useless and deceitful war with Iraq? Very very expensive ...
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 8 months ago
        Was that McCain ('08) or was it Romney ('12)? I keep forgetting.

        You cannot attribute all disagreements with those who choose to associate with the same party affiliation. That's irrational.
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  • Posted by amhunt 10 years, 9 months ago
    Right you are. In America our government does it the right way. It STEALS money from its taxpayers and uses it to prop up failing industries. I suspect Mr. Maher would think it proper but I don't know for sure as I pay very little attention to him.
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  • Posted by mckenziecalhoun 10 years, 9 months ago
    Can't agree.
    When an avowed Socialist like Bill supports it, I look at why and usually avoid it.

    The vast majority of our engagements around the world are for three things:
    1) To prevent some Socialist or other type of dictator from "nationalizing" some industry - NOT buying them out, NOT asking them to leave, but simply STEALING it. We let that happen and the freedom our country has to do business around the world and the subsequent increase in our standard of living here in the states will drop precipitously as other nations follow suit due to our paper tiger responses.

    2) We also get involved if our allies, economically intertwined in our interests, have similar problems, supporting them.

    3) We then rebuild enough to prevent the same thing happening again. HOWEVER, if the Pauls mean to say we should stop doing all the other stuff we do...then I utterly agree. If it is not in the USA's interests, if it does not help us compete, then let's not do it.

    No one told all the other nations to stop competing and they have no Pauls demanding that THEY stop competing in the world economically or otherwise.

    Why would we stop?
    Saying we must sacrifice freedom for our world involvement is simplistic, though true.

    If we stop competing; if we stop delaying the conquering of Islam of their neighbors and their annexation of sections of countries (Chechnya as an obvious example), if we step out of the way of Socialists and Communists and stop impeding them, then, yes, the world would treat us nicer and we wouldn't need much of the security traded for our freedoms we now have.

    We might not change our minds to put security first for decades, when they finally reach our shores with far greater resources at their disposal that we abandoned.

    Not a good trade.
    Foresight is an essential trait in a leader.
    The Rands don't have it.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 9 months ago
    That's about the only sensible thing Bill Maher has said in a long time. I did not know foreign policy was that important to him. Would he really put it above domestic policy? After all: Rand Paul would stand the government down from almost everything it does today.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 9 months ago
    No Paul will ever get the nod from the GOP. Oh...I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. But, instead, they'll push forward some beltway guy, a deranged veteran or some fat guy with a big mouth.
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