How do people aquire the ability to make decisions based on reason?
Posted by edweaver 8 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
It seems to me that some people are better at using logic and reason to make decisions than others. Is the ability to use reason natural at birth and some force destroys it or does it have to be learned or taught?
Discussion/thoughts??
Discussion/thoughts??
The thing that limits ability to use reason is a purposeful decision to not PRACTICE reason and logic. (some are never taught it) In first and 2nd world countries today, that is no longer a valid excuse.
athletes must practice to become proficient at their sport
Jan
On the other hand, "[A]ll babies are born {or, rather, conceived] geniuses and [most] get swiftly de-geniused.
-- Buckminster Fuller
I think it is time to understand that education is the very starting block of being able to do anything especially reason.
Jan
The statement that 'humans do not have inherent qualities' represents a theory that has been overturned by the Twin Studies and other research.
Jan
I do believe that people, as they develop, probably have some innate "knacks" for doing better at certain things than others, whether it's "thinking" or athletics or art or whatever!
I think that trying to figure that one out is mental masturbation, and we'd be better off by Observing the Developing Child, trying to Discover their 'knacks' and helping them develop whatever innate skills or talents they're "good at."
I've got an Extremely Bright 'grandson' who's been open to questioning life and observing it forever. His parents are extremely liberal and I'm not, but over the past few years, I've introduced him to My Version of Critical Thinking, based roughly on Socratic Processes. Now he loves to ask questions and explore "answers" with me and I treasure our conversations together. I can nudge him in directions that might be more congruent with MY views than his parents' but I do it by repeatedly asking, "Well WHY does THAT happen?" and encouraging HIM to try to figure out the answers without just 'giving him the answer,' whether it's my view or someone else's.
I jokingly refer to 'corrupting his mind' and he keeps coming back to ask me more questions. Often, he'll ask me what 'my take is' on some subject. If I have an opinion or belief, I will readily provide my view, but immediately turn the conversation Socratic so we can both try to figure out why I, he, or others have the views they hold on the subject.
That may end up being the greatest contribution I ever make to the world in my life. I'll call my life 'successful' if those lessons have changed him.
I feel for you with liberal children but applaud you do doing the best you can to help your grandson learn critical thinking, and not the common core kind either. I would concur your successful life if the lessons change him. We need all the help we can get. I say keep corrupting...the way you are. :)
'Reason is the faculty that identifies and integrates the material provided by man's senses. It is a faculty that man has to exercise by choice. Thinking is not an automatic function. In any hour and issue of his life, man is free to think or to evade that effort. thinking requires a state of full, or focused awareness. The act of focusing one's consciousness is volitional. Man can focus his mind to a full, active, purposely directed awareness of reality---or he can unfocus it and let himself drift in a semiconscious daze, merely reacting to any chance stimulus of the immediate moment, at the mercy of his undirected sensory-perceptual mechanism and of any random, associational connections it might happen to make." TVOS, pg.22
It is true that people have different aptitudes in this regard, but it is also true that many are coddled and not pressed to think for themselves. In our present sociopolitical climate we are encouraged not to teach one to fish, but to give him fish. It is the same when it comes to thinking, when one would rather have you provide the answer to them rather than have you tell them to look it up or do their own research. It is Altruism being played upon. This is not how one learns to reason and use logic on their own. Our society has deemed it important to insure no one is left behind even if it means thinking for others. ...participation awards are a manifestation of this mentality. Nature would cull the mentally indolent or force them to think in order to survive, but governments are constantly trying to bring equality not by forcing the indolent to pull their weight, but for the producers to carry more. This is of course economic suicide as the nation is less productive and the productive become resentful of the ever-growing burdens; while the "needy" grow ever more resentful of the successful as they are increasingly blinded by their indoctrination. It is an indoctrination of class warfare that destroys the human will. Incentives matter. When one is guaranteed a basic standard of living by government, even if at the expense of others many will find that sufficient incentive to choose sloth. To think, or not to think, that is the question/choice.
In short, to answer your question: My opinion is that it is both. We may not be able to do much about one's nature at birth, but we can enhance or undermine one's future by what we do, or do not teach. If you are not taught to think for yourself you are a good follower and compliant serf... a parrot. This is no doubt attractive to our elitist and statist politicos.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Language, to be effective, must be time dependent, just as reasoning from cause to effect is also time-dependent. In fact, the very earliest verbs, I think, like "go" and "be" have different roots for past or present tense. Children learn very early that no one ever "goed", one must "went". I believe that the past tense verb then, for essential motion or existence came later in the evolution of language, but that the ability to reason accompanied and even stimulated the development of language, and vice-versa.
Certainly language and causal thinking evolved in tandem.
I firmly believe that the reason why the majority of human history was characterized by tribalism and savagery is that it was nearly impossible to disseminate the principles of logic to the population. Once these things were discovered and a mechanism to communicate them came into being, mankind advanced in the relatively short time span of a few thousand years after spending millennia in a state no better than animals.
Psychoepistemology is the study of how the brain reasons and stores knowledge. If your parents had the ability to not face reality and then consequently use emotion instead of reason to raise children, you would have to be very strong-willed to avoid psychological damage and hence have an innate ability to reason...
That is until life hands you enough experiences that you begin to think for yourself.
Some brains come with wiring and components that are more adept at certain processes than are others, but unless there are birth defects or damage to the brain, any can be trained (with cooperation--volition) to a basic level of comprehension and efficacy. But as with any human attribute, the range of function from individual to individual will cover a broad bell curve.
On a purely scientific bases this is not quite true. Babies for instance have the reflex to suckle. However, it is true for any high level knowledge.
It is said that along with his inborn talent, Franz Liszt ha long fingers and a very wide hand spread enabling him to perform tricky passages others found almost impossible to master. He was the rock star of his day. Ugly as sin, though.
musical environment! Chopin,Liszt - the greats!
My dad was also born in Hungary; didn't
play piano but could rock a harmonica like
no other!!
I is one. My family freaked at me. It was just natural for me.
Three step program..
1. The Law of identify. Existence Exists Existence is Identify Consciousness is Identifcation
2.The Law of Causality. Any thing must act in accordance with it's nature. It cannot defy it's nature and within the limits of it's nature. A is A. The Law of identity applied to Action. A leaf is not a rock both however may shed water. Requires observation using the senses. Is constantly re-evaluated for accuracy.
Third....Ethics, morals, Values applied to the facts determined and tested by a conscious mind.
I found it useful to start with some of the Intro to Objectivism books so i could delve into the books by Ayn Rand with a clear idea of the subject. I'm not everyone.
What I don't do and haven't for many decades is substitute fairy tales for facts nor accepts 'facts' without proofs. Buried somewhere in the ether of synapses and secretly governing my thoughts and leaving me with no control is ....fiction.
Consciousness is a means of cognizing reality not of creating or altering it. Facts are not replaced by Metaphors.
that's my version.
Why some people are better? Has to do with environment but is also learning to be self aware. When that happens the thinking switch is on. Instant freedom of being an individual
If reason is not acquired at birth how can we explain the ability of a young child to learn? For example, if a child touches something hot they pull back because of the pain but they also quickly learn that touching the same thing again will result in the same pain. Seems to me that is the power to reason. If not wouldn't they just keep touching it unless there was someone there to stop them? IMHO, there are many lessons that are either taught or learned that would not be possible without the power to reason. Thoughts??
Logic and reason, beyond survival necessities cannot occur in the brain alone. A sense, at least, of the big picture and integrating one's accumulated knowledge can only take place in the mind and experiences over time.
And, some have greater aptitudes for this training.
As with anything, it starts with a belief in yourself. Being able to say "I can make it work", gets the ball rolling.
That said, the ability to use reason and logic starts with childhood perception. If a child grows up happy and healthy, his perceptions and views of the world follow reality. If not, those realities are distorted and all manner of rationalizations follow to make them "psycho-logical."
One only need think of Obama, who was a love child, first abandoned by his father, then schlepped around the world to live in different cultures before being abandoned to his perceived racist grandparents. Confused and angry, Obama was then an easy mark for Frank Marshall Davis and, later, Marxist professors to convince him that his unhappiness was the fault of the white, colonialist West, so much so that he changed his very name.
Here's an Objectivist take on it - <5 minutes video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whQl_...
The car may have a powerful engine, a smooth gear box and wonderful suspension. But the skill of the driver is something different.
Indeed, the very power of the car may place extra demands upon that skill. In no way does the power of the car ensure the skill of the driver. In the analogy the engineering of the car corresponds to the innate intelligence and the driving skill of the driver corresponds to the operating skill we call thinking.
It is also often the case that a more humble car has a better driver. Driving skill can also be learned and practiced and improved.
Beyond the basics, thinking is a learned skill, like driving or anything else.
The second is being very honest in doing the first.
These two together teach one rather quickly that good results come from more honest and rational choices and more honest and rational choosing of values.
cisions means focusing on the facts before one.
And that is the root of going by reason. (Specific
processes may come later, as one learns more
about it).
I also know a couple of basketball players who weren't the most gifted athletically, yet went on to excel in college (and beyond) because of hard work.
Mental gymnastics are no different than physical gymnastics - and I might even venture harder in fact. It takes personal discipline over a long period of time to gain control over one's passions and emotions. It is certainly made easier by appropriate role models and mentors who can speed the learning process.
focus on what the rational thing would be. Often
that is no fun; I can't say that I have always done
it. (Particularly on a cold morning when I don't want to get up right away, but I know it has to
be done). But if you focus your mind on having
to get to work, or to that appointment, or that
job application opportunity, you may find your-
self, feeling as if it is against your will but your
body is somehow moving, getting out of bed and
getting started. And, as others are saying, prac-
tice makes it easier.
Goal-seeking could be considered a drive, instinct or even need in some individuals. It also serves as an incentive to use such mental abilities as reason.
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