My Disgusting Day
Yesterday, I saw an ex boyfriend reading a book titled The Age of Selfishness: Ayn Rand, Morality, and the 2008 Financial Crisis. He was talking about Rand's affair with Nathaniel Branden, and he was smearing her, badly. I overheard this, but I did not say anything. I did not stop him. I did not defend my hero from being smeared by a disgusting rat. The words that most closely resemble what was going through my head was: "I couldn't defend you from him." I'm not sure whether "you" meant Ayn Rand or myself. I was disgusted with the fact that a book as horrible as that exists, that purportedly intelligent people read it, and that I had been so horribly wrong in my selection of him as a former partner. My current partner was quick to blame this on the ex-boyfriend's relation to me, but my feelings of guilt would not be alleviated even if he were not an ex.
My questions for Gulcher's are these:
1. Was it right to stay silent in this circumstance?
2. Was this really a "betrayal", as my emotions felt like?
3. What is the best way to fight in situations like these, if at all?
Comments not directly related to my questions are welcome.
My questions for Gulcher's are these:
1. Was it right to stay silent in this circumstance?
2. Was this really a "betrayal", as my emotions felt like?
3. What is the best way to fight in situations like these, if at all?
Comments not directly related to my questions are welcome.
“Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone.”
Since he is an ex I am guessing reason would have been wasted on him. I think you acted perfectly and you have more proof you are better off without him.
"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead."
Thomas Paine
Old dino can recall engagements with libtards.
You are called stupid and get glared and sneered at.
Nothing is accomplished.
Sometimes you get to hear a zinger, though~
One libtard told me that I supported Herman Cain because I was a racist desperate to prove that I am not a racist.
Idiotic vapid clodpates for leftist dunderheads could work as well as other words for being pseudo-intellectually socialist stupid..
To a libtard back then, anyone against Obama was a racist. Even peanut-brain Jimmy Carter insinuated that would be the root cause.
One reason I liked Cain is his being black. I was thinking now here is the one conservative who has the skin color to beat socialist Obama.
Because of that, Cain was the one candidate who scared the hell out all that was Team Obama.
I still believe my conspiracy theory that George Soros money paid for that phony one-at-a-time trotting out of falsely accusing bimbo eruptions.
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aspirations for "the first black president" onto him as
they voted -- but will they remember this lesson for
long enough to make it to our nation's future??? -- j
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One can always process what they are overhearing and if they choose to-find other avenues to address the arguments they overheard without engaging the person who made the comments in the first place.
completely skewed by the fact that he is an "ex" and
the real subject -- Rand -- would be incidental.
are you sure that he didn't have that book, and that
he didn't make those comments, just to "get back"
at you? . I would think that any interaction would be
just a continuation of the break-up. . ignore. -- john
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while it is best served up cold, it can also be avoided
as you understand. . do not give him the opportunity. -- j
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do think of him just shrink those thoughts by remembering
how he has treated you, and, well, Ayn Rand also, if
you will. . he appears to be a negative person, trying
to drag you down. . "consider the source" as you
discount those thoughts. . please. -- j
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"Was it right to stay silent in this circumstance?"
Yes, IMHO. People will find the truth if they seek it.
"Was this really a "betrayal", as my emotions felt like?"
You mean because you couldn't stop your ex from saying something wrong and stupid or at least refute it? I think no way. Ex-partners being stupid is normal.
"What is the best way to fight in situations like these, if at all? "
I think it depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
I'm saying b/c it's an ex be detached and ignore him, which is IMHO the right thing to but much much easier to say than to do.
minds are made up and closed to new discovery.
It Is Not Your Fault that he's a doofus. -- j
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2. No. By not responding, you didn't take the bait. Ms. Rand would have waited until the circumstances were better to her. You can see this in the behaviour of her characters in her works.
3. First determine by yourself if a "fight in situations like these" is necessary (being upset does not necessarily require a response). If so, what would you like to accomplish with the fight and does it have to be there and then. Having done this, a plan would then develop on a solid foundation.
your actions were proper. keep quiet and walk away. Even if he were just someone you knew vs an ex you would never be able to intelligently convince him of what he believed. the fact that he was reading that book should tell you that.
I am not so sure about the current partner. He should have supported you, unquestionably in this situation.
I really know too much about their personal lives to get involved disussing them. There is no question that no matter what her critics say, she is without a doubt one of the most influential writers of the 20th century, and as it looks now, perhaps the 21st century as well. Branden's books on psychology are worthy contributions to the practice and are breakthroughs in the area of the human persona via the ego. But, to answer your questions clearly:
1. Stay silent if the reader is silent.
2. It is no betrayal. You neither wrote the book nor spread the poison.
3. If it becomes verbal, and as Rand would caution, you've checked your premises, go get him, kiddo.
(I do not expect you to share details of her personal life- but I can imagine being part of the "inner circle" was thrilling!)
After all these years, I just found out there was a book of her letters I was unaware of. Being a newbie, you'll find not only her writings, but many peripheral writings that will help round out your knowledge. I think you will find the trip very rewarding.
With respect to the latter, one should always take them seriously and act as if they are not there. The former, as if they are but a insignificant piece of inanimate matter.
As others have indicated, "But I don't think of you Ellsworth!" Although I know that emotionally you are likely going through your personal version of what all of us have experienced when moving ahead following discoveries that produce an "ex."
2. Emotions are a predictable response but you are looking at pears and apples and oranges. Subtract the negatives and that leaves the few positives. Then ask yourself how could I have ever wasted so much time? That's experience as you refine your list of attractions and learn to identify true attractions from those that are false.
3. Or just walk off laughing.
I don't think of you.
took off on a crazy trip to california (to make x-rated
movies, it turned out). . I didn't smile when she walked
into my room in our house off-campus. . it was just
the 2 of us there, in the house. . she asked,
"Don't you smile, anymore?"
I replied, "Not in public."
she just turned around and walked out. -- j
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went to my rooming-house room after a session ....... -- j
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though. . what doesn't kill you........... -- j
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become more important. . and the tales which we can tell
are exciting ... can't beat real life for surprising stories! -- j
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sense about the trip which was not good at all. . it turned out
to be a premonition. . she was virgin when we began
our relations, at the university, and I had met her parents --
played bridge with them and the like -- before she
went on that trip. . very sad thing. -- j
p.s. I found out very recently that she is in Taos, N.M.
now, still using her maiden name. . I have a new
search engine.
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http://jonathanturley.org/2016/01/11/...
disgusting. -- j
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for sure -- more now than ever before. -- j
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on isis. . what are you seeing? -- j
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Oh yes the 'innocent.' Sorry I don't consider them at all. Bush First had a damn good policy. One Building One country. I like the one one dead citizen one flattened town concept. I'm not the least bit concerned with this PC sob sister stuff. But I still wouldn't support Trumpet Boy. All he knows is charge and overkill.
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But before that I would jump hard on the notion that those that fleeced the people, and I think they were more in politics than banking, were acting on anything but what Ayn Rand taught.
Depending on my patience and what kind of rat I considered him I might or might not hang him out to try by applying his judgments to what I know of his own character. But the last would be a less useful and more personal response.
But tell me, why are you letting this person you seem to consider a creepazoid effect your day?
Methinks you did right by simply ignoring him. He wanted to get into an argument with you, but it wasn't over Rand.