Gary Johnson Runs Again: The Best Third Party Option?
Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago to Politics
Governor Johnson runs as a Libertarian again... again...
Is he high? Has his memory been so adversely effected that he can't recall his past failures? :)
Okay, all joking aside; Gov. Johnson has some attractive policies. But, does he now have the persona or the persuasive capacity to be a viable candidate, or will he just be seen as a despoiler in the next election?
It seems clear Sen. Paul is not likely to get the GOP nomination. Should he run as a third party candidate? Could/should he join forces with Gov. Johnson, or run against him for the Libertarian party support?
I know some of you will relish a third party alternative, while others will not.
Let the contest begin!
Respectfully,
O.A.
Is he high? Has his memory been so adversely effected that he can't recall his past failures? :)
Okay, all joking aside; Gov. Johnson has some attractive policies. But, does he now have the persona or the persuasive capacity to be a viable candidate, or will he just be seen as a despoiler in the next election?
It seems clear Sen. Paul is not likely to get the GOP nomination. Should he run as a third party candidate? Could/should he join forces with Gov. Johnson, or run against him for the Libertarian party support?
I know some of you will relish a third party alternative, while others will not.
Let the contest begin!
Respectfully,
O.A.
That is impressive. What other politician can boast the same?
Respectfully,
O.A.
Liberty must be defended or lost. Conservative voters have the choice to save American liberty or deliver America to its evil enemies.
Every time you vote for the lesser of two evils you are voting for more evil.
And as a practical matter, Trump spent his whole life as a progressive democrat. His earlier books were chock full of progressive democrat ideas. He made his fortune off stealing property through eminent domain. Sorry that he's now got you hoodwinked into believing he is some sort of conservative. Even more sorry that he's hoodwinked so many others.
I think Trump will accelerate the decline in the direction of dictatorship. I can easily imagine asset forfeiture laws including transfers directly to corporate looters with only a bit of paperwork .
As a Republican he will get little or no resistance from the parasites in the Dark Center. Just after election he will propose new gun restrictions, licensing, and "voluntary" confiscation "for our protection."
But the problem is that the government tried to sieze the property with the eminent domain laws (which are the real intrusion on private property). Trump did try to USE the law to his benefit, but the problem is not trump, but the law itself.
THis is exactly what you can expect from the arrogant, hubrist, looter HRM Trump.
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men vote for evil.
I think we are all guilty of using government immoralities to our advantage. The government is into so many things, like using eminent domain to build roads that we all drive on, like developing drugs with tax money that we use (and dont even know about). What a mess. Trump was on the cutting edge of using immoral eminent domain laws, but i still say he would be better than Hillary.
Trump has proven he will use government power unethically. Trump is scum, period. He has proven that he can't be trusted with power on behalf of others.
Vote for Trump and expect to be treated just like the private property owners he unethically acted to destroy.
He has never been a conservative, just a looter.
I concur. There is more to worry about on those fronts from every other candidate in the race thus far.
O.A.
So far....Webb would outclass him and so would Jindal. Besides WE want someone who can beat Hillary no matter what else happens.
add to that give the Republicans another chance. I'm sure I forgot some of the reasons....But ALL of that aside....If and when and IF I see some solid facts at least as solid as the one's I presented for Fiorino Just color me Devils Advocate.....
I reserve the right to call the witness later depending on his testimony. Facts in evidence post judice not prejudicial.
Here is a link you may find instructive. Gary Johnson on the issues... the good, the bad, and the ugly. :) Depending upon one's political leanings...
http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johns...
Respectfully,
O.A.
A simple Google search on "Gary Johnson libertarian" (without the quotes) returns 831,000 results including lots of details on him. Give it a try and you will likely find good and bad about him, lots more than the MSM will cover since they serve the state, and Johnson (if elected) would likely start to dismantle it.
It is always good to hear from you. It is a principled decision. I have high regard for standing on principle. If only more people would do so. I feel as if we are making some inroads with some of the electorate these days. Perhaps some (though probably not yet enough) of the ignorant masses are finally coming out of their stupor.
It would please immensely to feel more confident and optimistic about the future again.
Regards,
O.A.
It does not matter if he does not get elected this time around. The message will be heard, and will grow. Not voting for him because it might take votes from someone else is stupid and insane.
That's the Republican voters mantra.
To me, Gov. Johnson has a great personality, is an excellent speaker, understands and presents the Libertarian platform clearly and sincerely and is a whole lot more telegenic than any of the front-runners in the other two (well, one, really) parties. One major positive is that he can articulate LP policy with complete focus on how it will benefit everyone rather than complaining about how the other policies are harming us. It's hard to hold that course; libertarians have been complaining for decades!
The biggest problem is media access. Lack of access is due to lack of money, AND the media's steadfast refusal to pay any attention at all to 3rd parties, AND the fact that the media would much rather focus on policies that they disagree with than those they agree with. And even when a Libertarian candidate manages to get ballot access and do a big media buy, no news outlet will cover it and no editorial board will pontificate about it. Well, there is the occasional editorial, sometimes even at major papers, and they invariably say, essentially, "wow, these libertarians have some really great ideas; it sure would be fantastic to implement those policies. BUT they can't possibly win an election and Candidate X has 1 great policy position and 2 we can choke down, and we know he's the opposite of what we want on 5 important platform planks, WE MUST STOP EVIL CANDIDATE Y FROM WINNING! (And by the way, Candidate Y has 1 great policy position and 2 we can choke down, and we know he's the opposite of what we want on 5 important platform planks BUT HE MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO WIN.)
It helps that he's a former Governor and that his policies actually proved to be effective. I don't know the details about everything he did as Gov but I'm sure some of it wasn't libertarian. I am confident, though, that in most cases what he did was better than what was being done, in other cases he had no chance of instituting libertarian policies, and in the ones where he was "wrong" he has sincerely changed his views.
As Gulchers know, the LP doesn't fit at all into the left/right, progressive/conservative political model. In reality progressives would agree with at least 40% of our platform and conservatives would agree with at least 40% of our platform, but instead of progressives supporting the LP because they approve of gay marriage, complete legalization of drugs, non-intervention in foreign affairs, no federal abortion ban, and no corporate welfare, they focus on our support of bakeries turning away any customer they choose, 2A, property rights, right-to-work and no civilian welfare. Then the conservatives play the same game. That's how it plays out with the activists and media who funnel "information" to the masses. In the halls of power it's a whole different story. While the lefties and righties have a few definite disagreements they have at least 80% agreement on the proper level of gov't control and on gov't policy itself. Furthermore, even when they disagree with each other, both sides want to stay in power more than they want their favorite policy implemented.
Both sides vote for huge spending increases, huge tax increases, massive expansion of regulatory power, interference in the energy sector (go, go, go solar and ethanol and wind, all of which can never work), more restrictions on gun ownership, more interference with medical care, more corporate welfare (ex-im bank ring a bell?), fatal economic policies, expansion of the military, wider and deeper foreign intervention, it goes on and on. The disagreements are all on the edges. "Let's all have a big row over abortion, gay marriage, and gun control! The "other side's" policies have led to the utter destruction of our society and it will never be restored until the "other side" is crushed and obliterated!"
So right. "The biggest problem is media access."
We must keep pushing and supporting opposition voices to the two major parties until the media can no longer deny their voices opportunity to be heard as widely. The two party system lock must be broken, or at least one of the parties must be brought back to Constitutional principles and restraint. It is this statist establishment leaning of both major parties that must be "crushed and obliterated!"
Respectfully,
O.A.
The "Great Collapse" is already upon us. It is just that many in power, have been sheltered from it and the political ramifications by means of bread and circuses. Those in power, or pulling the strings and the receivers of the unearned have had too much power over producers. Those that carry the burden have been too patient and benevolent. I am encouraged that at least it seems as if many have had enough. I mean, could you have imagined the fervor over Trump? The populism evinces a great deal of discontent. It is a strange political season. Prepare for a bumpy ride.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Well said. It's very easy to focus on the differences, but very difficult to focus on similarities, but it is in the similarities where we find political allies.
It is only fair. The progressive socialists have been infiltrating the Democrats for so long they no longer resemble even the party of JFK.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Politics goes to those who show up. But it ain't easy, and there's little thanks for it.
I used to be an enthusiastic Ron Paul supporter, but he might be as crazy as Ben Carson. He at least used to be a creationist, young earther, evolution denier. In his favor, though, that was never part of his politics and he was spot on with Libertarian principles almost all the time - much more so than Rand. He demonstrated over decades that his religious beliefs were his own and didn't dictate his politics. Maybe I just talked myself into staying a fan.
My Fiorini plan was half humor and half a look at the reality of taking advantage of a some awesome cracks in and chinks int he armor of the left. The key was the VP with fiorini as the camel's nose and the VP as the camel obviously not just another Rino. but a solid individual grounded in the Constitution and a background in fiscal responsibility.
the problem is breaching the closed election system wall the left has built around the process as the neo- original definition conservatives they give the term a bad name but they are the party in power from Rino to Dino to Comrade.
It can't be done with out some kind of coalition focused on the main issue first and the secondary non sacred grouond issues later.
Cease Enabling
Take Control
Make Changes
In the end however, if the Republican party is going to continue to be "stupid" in their attacks on Conservatives, it will be they who will be the owners of their defeat by the Dems. As they say, "Stupid is as stupid does" and McCain is the glaring example of Stupidity!!!!
Cruz will be fine as long as he keeps his cool and let's things play out. That includes with Trump.
Libertarians and Objectivists if they are smart enough, will find the right path that will give us the candidate the country needs for moving the country off of the disastrous course we are currently on. If they cannot, then they will suffer the same fate as the Establishment types. Lost election perhaps a new and reinvigorated party!
Using labels accurately means that "true" conservatives are really Classical Liberals and NEOCONs and Liberal/Progressives are really the ones leading us towards the Brave New World of Huxley or 1984, etc. of Orwell.
Scary thought as to just how out of touch most Americans are as to their true political leanings!
Hello Herb7734,
A reasonable prognostication based on precedent.
Regards,
O.A.
I hear you. I will weigh the amount of statism in each candidate and make the best choice possible when it comes right down to it. The establishment types already have two strikes against them in my book.
Regards,
O.A.
Keep in mind, in this climate and time a 3rd party candidate who espouses Conservative (notice I did not say big R Republican) ideals will have a strong candidacy because there is so much disgust with the Republicans who are in control in Washington. With the exception of a few (I.e., Rand Paul, Ted Cruz and Ben Carson) the rest are pretty much "go along to get along" types who do little if anything to restore the Constitution, fiscal responsibility, or a limiting of an out of control leviathan called the "Federal Government".
The problem with a viable 3rd party candidacy is that it will drain votes from the "R's" however, because of the sorry state of our country, the destruction of a moribund apparatus may be a good thing because out of the ashes perhaps a new and revitalized party that understands where it must go will come into being.
Right now, we have a status quo even with R's in power for the most part that has done absolutely nothing to stem our slide into a Socialist morass. If they are not going to resist as the "loyal opposition" then what does it matter which label they give themselves. All trickery that outsiders can and must highlight and defeat!
For what its worth!
To me, 70% (my guess) of these "Republicans" are either to inept or just plain do not understand their jobs and only wait for their leadership to give them their marching orders. Or, they are indeed pretending to support the republic but in reality are representing a ruling elite in a country that in reality is nothing but an Oligarchy
Your comments are worth much. Good analysis.
Respectfully,
O.A.
I have listened to Gary Johnson many times over the years and he does make a lot of sense on a lot of issues. If the MSM which is so obviously in the pockets of the "two" party candidates would give third party options the time of day perhaps his odds would improve. A lot of young people do support him, so perhaps the younger generations will make positive change as they feel the burdens past statists have unfairly saddled them with.
Respectfully,
O.A.
That is by the way the price. Atlas Society meeting in Las Vegas good place to present a basic outline and ask for the comment. Primarily what is your sacred ground and what are your willing to set aside for the moment. Secondarily what seat at what table. Alison for SecTreas for one. Third would you consider goinig for VP initially as a camel's nose tactic.
My vote isn't cheap.
I claim three titles recovering cynical realist, objectivist in training and unaffiliated Constitutional Centrist. i just put a post up on Cruz vs Obama and place of birth requirement.
Progressive Party: Hillary Clinton (and most Democrats).
Socialist Party: Bernie Sanders and other Democrats. Of course, that depends on whether or not any of them really can tell the difference between a Progressive and a Socialist ;)
Republican Party: (Establishment Republicans) Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, John Kasich
Big Business Party: Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina
Constitutional Party: Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal
Libertarian Party: Rand Paul
Evangelical Party: Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee
The one I am having a hard time placing is Dr. Ben Carson.
Feel free to add your quibbles. This was just a quick "feel" separation - not an exhaustively researched opinion.
I think that it does serve another purpose, however - to point out why the "Republican" Party is so badly fractured. What we really have in this country are Democrats and Everyone Else. It's what we've seen really since Perot ran against Bush and Clinton and we really started seeing a major divide in the country as the Democrats slid Progressive, the Republicans slid towards more Social Democrats and left pretty much everyone else in the lurch.
All the national politicians have proven they are incompetent to represent the best interests of free people. They need to be retired, by force if required.
http://www.independentpoliticalreport...
Indeed. I remember Goldwater, though I was quite young then and McGovern (8 years later?). It is an interesting history lesson to be considered and incorporated into one's political science philosophy. Rand supported Goldwater, but we never had a president Goldwater did we? :) Still, one must choose their own poison, since there never seems to be a perfect candidate for us.
Respectfully.
O.A.
"he denied he would be siphoning votes only from the Republican candidate"
I agree. I'm certainly not the only Democrat who wants a smaller, less intrusive gov't but would rather settle for a traditional establishment Democrat than risk getting a Republican.
Historically LP candidates take slightly more votes from R than D, but not by much. The thought of being a spoiler and swinging an election fills me with great joy and I would admit that even to the editorial boards of the NYT and WSJ. It means that we have influence and that enough people support our policies to make a difference. It's our path to the center ring rather than sitting at the kids' table (love mixing metaphors).
[[... would rather settle for a traditional establishment Democrat than risk getting a Republican]] Really? Why? Carefully consider what would be different if Mitt Romney had won. We'd still be at war with exactly the same people we're at war with now, Mitt was a cheerleader for the collectivist takeover of health care in MA so we'd probably have Romneycare instead of Obamacare. Romney is no friend of gun owners. He likely would have continued with the Bush and Obama penchant for EO's and signing statements. No doubt he'd have taken very nearly the same path with regard to energy policy. There would still be plenty of Solyndras, it would just be Romney's crowd instead of Obama's. Romney would SURELY be less corrupt and arrogant. Mrs. Heinz-Romney would definitely not have destroyed school lunches like Shelly Obama did (but "Ketchup is a vegetable" would be a constitutional amendment). For better or worse we would probably have a more coherent policy about sticking our noses into other countries' business. (I'm in favor of an immediate and complete withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan (and Turkey) but I think Obama's wishy washy flip-flopping do-nothing-but-make-speeches-at-them policies have enabled the real Islam to come to the surface, and other destructive groups, too. Uncertainty at the core directly empowers increased chaos at the fringe. I've been a lifetime watcher of the edges of things, the edge in every sense, physical objects, virtual objects (like computer code), and conceptual objects (conceptual objects, ha!, oxymoron alert), things like political parties or any organized group of biological objects).
Imagine a sphere of liquid spinning within a vessel of less dense liquid. Everything will be quite stable and the boundaries of the denser sphere will be just a little fuzzy but still well defined. Another feature is that, because of friction, the liquid at the center will be spinning faster than at the edges. Now imagine slipping a thin shaft into the center through one of the poles and releasing a latch and a small square pops out of the side of the shaft. That will introduce terrific turbulence into the rapidly spinning center and it will ripple quickly out to the edge. When it reaches the boundary a large part of the outer layer will be perturbed and you'll witness a chaotic dispersal of that material. The Obama administration is the tiny square that introduced destructive, chaotic turbulence into the powerful center and a lot of the chaos and violence that sprung up at the boundaries of humanity was the direct result.
Granted it's been happening since before Obama but on a much smaller scale. I've heard it said that Kennedy was the first president who was subjected to inspection of his personal life by the media. He was assassinated when I was 8 mos. old so I don't have first hand knowledge. The rapid progression of communications technology since then has made scrutiny by the masses more and more intense. It seems to me that the current mode of promoting a presidential candidate by trying to systematically rip apart your opponents on every issue, both political and personal, started in earnest with the G. W. Bush vs Al Gore election and devolved from there very rapidly. I think the Clinton administration was the direct cause. Millions of people saw Bill and Hillary as pathological liars, chronic cheaters, surrounded by political cronies, viciously attacking their enemies, viciously attacking former friends, corrupt to the core, power seeking regardless of the methods required, and possessed with a reprehensible moral code. Then millions of other people saw Bill Clinton as a charismatic, country bumpkin messiah who only wanted to save us all (from ourselves) and all the bad news about them was just a conspiracy by internet wackos, radio hosts, and unhinged Republicans who were making it all up. Those were the same people who looked directly at a certain blue dress and heard first hand what went on under the desk in the oval office and closed their eyes, plugged their ears and said, "La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la!"
Aside from instant runoff voting my greatest desire would be to have a line on the ballot for None of the Above. I would want 55% of the population to vote the party line for NOTA. I want a Constitutional amendment that when NOTA wins it's illegal for the endorsed D and R who just lost to run again. Maybe even put them in prison or an induced coma, as long as there's no chance we'll hear a peep out of them until the next election is held.
I wish that every 6 months we had the opportunity to vote the speaker of the house and the senate president out of those positions. I wish election day was every year on Nov 11, 4 days before federal income tax forms are due. What better way to honor our veterans? What better way to ensure that everyone has the day off for voting? I wish letters address to US Congressman and Senators were postage free and I wish it was a felony for them not to be opened and read within 48 hours of hitting the congressional post office. Related, I wish schools would resume teaching grammar, spelling and punctuation so those letters would be intelligible.
The only part I have a significantly different take on is I think it's easy for the average citizen to write her congressman and senator in an intelligible way and that if a politician's mail is running largely for or against something the politicians usually follow their constituents.
It is easy, I guess, for a constituent to write to his Congresscritter, although who actually writes and sends messages on actual physical media any more? People may also not know that ever since the anthrax scares some years ago all mail (letters and packages) destined for the legislative offices is opened and inspected for contaminants - resulting in a terrific delay in delivery. I don't think postcards suffer the same fate.
I have also heard that:
- a physical letter is weighted as representing the opinion of a large number of constituents
- a hand written physical letter counts more than a typed one because it's not a form letter
- a phone call to the office counts as the opinion of many constituents but I don't know how it ranks against letters.
- a fax counts less than a letter
- an email counts less than fax
I had heard that some congresscritters don't count emails at all because so many of them are generated by web sites. See, for example, how DownsizeDC.org and gunowners.org (GOA) both make it very, very easy for a constituent to send a msg that goes through the official's contact-me web page. Those web pages were initially designed to ensure real people were sending messages (as opposed to any group with 1 clever member who can generate hundreds of thousands of emails). But clever and persistent programmers designed systems that automate sending messages through the official web contact forms.
Without regard to the method of contact, this statement is troubling in its truthiness," if a politician's mail is running largely for or against something the politicians usually follow their constituents". That sounds great, especially when the majority agrees with ME, but in reality that describes a democracy. I'd rather live under a benevolent dictator than a democracy! If only we could all sleep tight with the knowledge that our elected federal servants were fighting tooth and nail every day to protect the Constitution. It's not perfect but it's lightyears ahead of anything that came before it, or since as far as I know. In our real world, the one that Objectvism demands we recognize, the federal House and Senate started breaking their oaths to defend the Constitution beginning with Congressional Session #1. For anyone who's interested and doesn't know the story, do a web search on Davey Crockett's run for re-election. A prominent farmer in his district put the fear of Zeus into him for one of the votes he cast.
The short answer is the Republicans (unless Rand Paul gets the nomination) are worse.
I don't know why they do they do. They give the appearance of representing people who are sacred and confused and willing to give up their money and rights to a gov't that assuages their fears.
A Libertarian is justified in agreeing to incremental improvements in law and policy, that's how we got where we are, after all. But his goal, or his fondest wish, should be the full Libertarian position.
Yes. Just keeping nominal gov't spending constant year-to-year would be a huge coup.
As one who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1972, I think the exact opposite is true. By voting for my principles, my votes over the years have had far more impact than if I had allowed the two “establishment” parties to dictate my choices.
Consider this: no matter how you have voted for President in the past, your vote has never made a difference in the outcome. Nor will it do so in the future. Even if you live in a “swing state” that could go either way, your lone vote will not spell the difference between victory and defeat for either establishment party candidate.
So if you can’t change the election outcome, why vote at all? The answer is that by voting Libertarian, you will be adding to the vote totals of the only party that consistently supports individual freedom. And those vote totals matter – the establishment parties pay close attention when a significant number of voters break with the two-party system, and they will often modify their stands on certain issues to protect their base and prevent further defections.
On the other hand, if you vote for the “lesser of two evils,” you are saying in effect, “I support the political status quo. I have faith in the two-party system, and I’m not interested in supporting candidates from other parties, even if they have fresh ideas that I agree with. I don’t like either of the two establishment party candidates, but I will vote for Establishment Party Candidate X because he is not quite as bad as Establishment Party Candidate Y.” This truly is a waste of your vote, and does nothing to advance the cause of freedom.
for the rest of you Rand comment is three answers, right, wrong compromise. Which makes one right and two wrong answers. That applies to supporting the left an openly discussed and set up coalition answers the questions and corrects the false premises. Porterhouse versus turkey dogs.
If you are referring to the non-Rino majority they are still Republicans and at the very very least enablers.
There is a one of them who doesn't believe in Government over citizens which makes them staunch leftists although yippy yappy puppy dogs is a better descriiption.
voting third party does what? satisfy what? and prove what? in the meantime we sit in this blog and complain about how this country is going down the tubes? how our freedoms are being eroded one by one? God forbid any of us pick a conservative that closely matches our views and work to get them elected. we are much to stubborn for the likes of that.....
If you want liberty you have the choice: vote for the third party against the statists, or band together to stop the statists by force.
To say nothing of the fact that most of these "conservatives" sell out to the left at the first opportunity. Five years after Republicans re-took the House (and thus the purse strings) Obamacare is still alive and funded.
Are these the people we really want to rely on, and vote for, to preserve what's left of our freedom? At least third parties give us a means of protest and a place to go when both "major" parties betray our principles and our trust.
there will NEVER be a candidate that a voter will agree with 100% on every issue no matter what party i agree with conservatives on some issues and libertarians on other issues..... the lib isn't going to win anything third party right now so my vote will go to a conservative .... you need to win an election to bring change.... and at this point in history progressives need to be taken down and taken down hard.....
i would vote libertarian IF you show me one that has a chance of winning ..... as long as a progressive is in charge... we ALL lose
There is a reason they are called splinter party's and disregarded and ignored. It's the definition of splinter.
Suppose Governor Johnson ran for Vice President. Specifically. and for nothing else.
Positives. Record of fiscal responsibility as a leader. Can be the Presidents point man on that issue. I set up the same argument for Jindal
He would bring in a lot of conservatives, libertarians some objectivists. The possibility of a strong economic Randist Allison if he's not to old. other splinter parties with the coalition method, independents minus the Bernie types, disaffected, disenchanted, and disenfranchised that any of th eother remaining candidates could not influence
Questions - How was he on the border issue? Don't count on La Raza they are Guevaristas.
Negatives - The one in that position needs to be young enough to do eight and eight. On the other hand if he resigned the President selects his own VP.
Permanent Negative. Would not bring in the looter faction. that's Trumps area.
Coalition to attract support. Find out what is sacred ground. Example For me is Constitution. Prioritize list of goals of each faction. What is most common area of agreement. Might be something as simple as defeat Hillary regain Citizens over Government. Might. Not my place to give more than examples.
Offer something. A seat at the table or in some part of Government. Cabinet Secretaries etc etc. All who fit best are a Coalition of...pick a suitable name with no bad connotations.
Do the same for non traditional disaffected groups. Latinos come instantly to mind. Middle class and elderly church going blacks comes to mind. Won't get all but you will get some....
all based on who gets the top spot nomination and can they be trusted make a deal and keep it. Which leaves trump out and probably All Establishment Rinos. Bush, Christie, etc etc.
One test is are you willing to consider forming a new party out of the remnants of the old one.
Apply the same methods to any and all source of votes at all levels.
Goal is to break the back ot he establishment by splitting the RINO Republicans and causing a lot of establishment money and resources to be spent fighting brush fires all over the place. Do not make deals with them. They can't be trusted.
The rest are do nothing obstructionist defeatists so just shine them on. d
That is the short version the long version is off the couch and do something that is useful. If not Johnson then who or whom?
Fact of Life.... No matter how good the intention you will get nothing done without the followinig
Quit Enabling
Work with not against
Take control
Make changes
Cannot do the last without the first three. Words alone never grew one tomato or fixed the roof on one house.