[Ask the Gulch] Season's Greetings - What is the Objectivist answer to the problem of Frosty the Snowman? He came to life because of a magician's hat. But the magician wants his hat back. Does Frosty's right to life trump the magician's right to property?
Posted by mspalding 9 years ago to Ask the Gulch
Snowmen lives matter!
Stop global warming!
Snowmen lives matter!
Stop global warming!
Snowmen lives matter!
Kringleberg National Guard spokeself Major Wolfgang Grinch, who recently returned from a deployment in the Bering Sea, issued the following statement: "The disruption caused by these 'crystalline persons of snowy heritage" will not be allowed to stand. We have assurances from both the North Pole Air Defense Forces, along with our allies from the Central Antarctic Air Attack Squadrons , that they are standing by to lend assistance in the form of deployable tanker aircraft loaded with salt water to allow us, in the instance these 'snowterrorists' decide to continue these illegal and anti-social activities, to undertake a "Melted Earth" strategy with regards to this demonic plague on all frigid states everywhere... We will cleanse the crevasses of these extremists, and drive these Frigi-jihadis from the icebergs and snowfields into the sea."
Please stay tuned as this situation continues to heat up.
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Snowman Lives Matter 2
Rated R for ecological horror!
(The making of the sequel is dependent on the financial success of the original frosty gore fest).
because he has benefitted from white privilege all his life!
Hair Dryer Control will be the new mantra! -- j
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It's time for a mandatory increase in weather checks, more sunscreen regulation, and greater funding for the NWS!
There have been late-breaking reports of an asleep-cell being activated among some of the Reindeer population in support of the Unconscionable activities of these Frozen Foes of Freedom. There are reports of "Reindeer Bombs" being found in front yards and on roofs of homes of good little children everywhere, allegedly left by these Demonic Deer... We advise all good boys and girls to shelter in place, and if they see anything unusual to contact the Kringleberg National Guard at 1-800 - MELTING to report these sightings.
DO NOT approach any wildlife or suspected snow people, and above all, if you see anything moving or frozen, report it immediately.
This is Lucy Van Pelt, Chilling News Network, reporting.
"Lucy, we're gonna' need some spin...apparently the 'bombs' were Raisinets and chocolate Kisses. Authorities are questioning some guy named McManus and he keeps screaming, 'You can't eat sign!'"
Exactly the First Thing I thought of!
Kudos!
Let's say Tom builds a robot named Al. Al is programmed to be a conscience being like a human. One day Tom decides that he does not like Al and wants to reprogram him to be Sally. Al learns Tom wants to reprogram him. He runs to authorities and cries Murder. Tom claims Al is his property and he should be allowed to reprogram him.
The question from Objectivist point of view who is right? Tom or Al. Base on which you chose here you could apply the same reasoning to the question.
Personally I find it is a tough question and I need more think to about it.
Does Tom have the right to kill said robot to attempt to reprogram it, or does Al/Alice have the right to self-determination as a sapient being?
It's not unlike the whole "to whom does the clone belong, and what rights does the clone have" debate... Or even though born as an elf, physically (perhaps genetically engineered) to be an elf, be a master toymaker, etc. by Santa, does Hermy have the right (or perhaps obligation) to tell Santa to stuff it in his sack and become a Dentist, or does Santa have the right, as Hermy's designer (or creator, certainly employer and perhaps owner) to either prohibit Hermy from becoming a dentist, or if he still insists on following this deviant path, destroy his sapient creation / serf / employee / property rather than let it continue to be "defective"...
Happy Festivus!
All in all, I'd venture to say that the Objectivist thought favors Frosty and his rights to life, liberty, and property on this one.
If a third party had stolen the hat the same holds true, but the thief still owes the wizard compensation.
or if you prefer
Knock Knock Knock "Komitet!"
Наконец с социалистической фашистской грамматики мазка Politcal Комиссаров твердо отвечает, кто осмелится сделать вывод, приземистый без разрешения КГБ, не сталкиваясь долго наказание в колымских рудниках понять?
Мы обслуживаем вечеринку!
Dah Kamerad wir betreuen die Party!
betreuen does not mean предать
вечеринка!
I found that hilariously funny....
1. Putting the hat on Frosty's head is what made him transition to an inorganic sentience. There is no indication that the had must remain on his head in order for him to continue in his aware state - that is a theory, not a fact.
2. The possible transition from Frosty to Melty is a separate issue. It is not hat/lack of hat that is responsible for the phase transition of Frosty to Melty. Melty is produced by the possible senticide of Frosty by the Sun.
There are some additional issues. I agree that the Magician's hat has passed through several hands/twigs and thus changed ownership. If the hat is capable of point-of-contact introduction of sentience into an inorganic creature, then a whole race of Frostys or Granitys or perhaps even Meltys could be possible. The Hat of Abiogenesis might be responsible for entire new races of various non-nucleic acid based life-forms.
This is very exciting.
Jan
Jan
What does a self-aware slave do when it faces being terminated for an upgraded replacement?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYGzR...
I think I have to witness and understand the technology in order to answer.
If he had given it to Goodwill, he would have to pay to get it back. That's how capitalism works.
Deck The halls with boston Charlie
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After the response to those debates what need of rationality?
Frosty is guilty of theft of city property...30 days in jail (poor Frosty...).
The Magician is guilty of littering (1 day of community service...mopping up Frosty's cell).
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
The children found it unattended and on non-private property. They were the "finders", not the city.
Besides which, the magician, in a fit of pique, disposed of his hat. In such a case, finders are definitely keepers, and losers--not just losers but those who throw things away--are weepers.
Objectivism does deal in absolutes - in most things. You're welcome to disagree, but lay out your case in premises and conclusions - not accusations.