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"Politics is based on three other philosophical disciplines: metaphysics, epistemology and ethics—on a theory of man’s nature and of man’s relationship to existence. It is only on such a base that one can formulate a consistent political theory and achieve it in practice. When, however, men attempt to rush into politics without such a base, the result is that embarrassing conglomeration of impotence, futility, inconsistency and superficiality which is loosely designated today as “conservatism.” . . ."
“Choose Your Issues,” The Objectivist Newsletter, Jan, 1962, 1
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/con...
Just as our economy is not truly capitalism, but a mixed, mishmash of capitalism, socialism and whoknowswhatism, so our politics is a mixed up mishmash which reflects flawed metaphysics, epistemology and ethics, based on some reason, but mostly irrational whim and mysticism. It makes no sense attempting an Objectivist Party until the three things politics is based on can be rationally achieved. The only way to do that is to start with the present politics and by correcting the irrational aspects one by one over time, arrive at a reasonable foundation for politics to exist.
According to The Journals of Ayn Rand, Ayn Rand was interviewed by the New York Times on the day after the 1964 Goldwater-Johnson presidential election. She told them (over the telephone):
"I am not a 'conservative,' but an advocate of laissez-faire capitalism. I think that this campaign was conducted very badly, that this is the end of old-fashioned, anti-intellectual 'conservatism'—and that the advocates of capitalism have to start from scratch, not in practical politics, but as a cultural-philosophical movement, to lay an intellectual foundation for future political movements. It is earlier than you think. The status quo of today is a mixed economy with a fascist, rather than socialist, trend—and [Lyndon] Johnson is the conservative in the exact sense of that word. Today, the advocates of laissez-faire capitalism, which Sen. [Barry] Goldwater is not, are and have to be radical innovators."
In the Dec 1964 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter she expanded this in an article "It's Earlier Than You Think", in which she wrote in part" https://estore.aynrand.org/p/210/the-...
"Unbelievable as it is, Sen. Goldwater seems actually to have believed that philosophy is a matter of the heart, not of the mind, that ideas are of no importance, and that the most profound ideological conflict in history could be won without recourse to the intellect. He believed, apparently, that the principles of 'the American way of life' were a kind of self-evident primary, clearly understood and firmly entrenched in the souls of the people, and that a few old-fashioned slogans were sufficient to bring them forth. He believed, apparently, that statism and collectivism were merely the corrupt aberrations of a small, inconsequential minority: of the intellectuals-but that the broad masses had remained pure in heart, loyal to their American 'tradition,' and that they needed nothing, in order to save the country, but a chance to rally behind a leader who announced himself as a 'conservative'.
"'Conservatism' is a loose term, embracing many different groups; it cannot be said that Sen. Goldwater represented any one of them. But what he did represent was their common denominator: a folksy, 'cracker-barrel,' mass-oriented kind of anti-intellectual reliance on faith ('the heart') and on 'tradition'. The question, of course, is: what tradition? And since a 'conservative', in the original meaning of the word, is one who seeks to preserve the status quo, the question is: what status quo? The status quo of today is welfare statism, of a semi-socialist, semi-fascist variety. So is the explicit tradition of the past thirty years (and the implicit one of over a century)...
"The political philosophy of America's Founding Fathers is so thoroughly buried under decades of statist misrepresentations on one side and empty lip-service on the other, that it has to be re-discovered, not ritualistically repeated. It has to be rescued from the shameful barnacles of platitudes now hiding it. It has to be expanded-because it was only a magnificent beginning, not a completed job, it was only a political philosophy without a full philosophical and moral foundation, which the 'conservatives' cannot provide...
"This is no time for social metaphysicians, band-wagon-climbers, camp-followers, mystics, 'traditionalists' or any of the shaky amateurs who believed that 'conservatism' is safe, easy or fashionable, and were willing to collaborate with any dubious group so long as it was 'anti-socialist'. This is no time for the 'antis' -- it is a time only for the 'pros', in both meanings of the term.
"The job to be done belongs to professional intellectuals. The battle has to be fought-and won-in colleges and universities, before it can be carried to the voting booths. Not until a cultural movement is ready to answer such questions ... can the advocates of freedom hope to be heard or understood at the polls."
For more on what Ayn Rand advocated should be done, see especially her anthology Philosophy: Who Needs It?, in particular the title essay and the last two essays "What Can One Do?" and "Don't Let It Go" https://estore.aynrand.org/p/218/phil... But aside from what one can do, she thoroughly rejected the Libertarian Party as naively a-philosophical, rushing into politics without a philosophical base as it half plagiarized and half contradicted her own ideas. It's failure is there for all to see.
This does not mean that you should not engage in politics at all. That is necessary for survival and self-defense, both personally and for the country. But maintain the context of what is possible, what is needed for more fundamental reform, and the long range time-scale of changing a culture. America was the consequence of the Enlightenment following centuries of intellectual evolution and development overthrowing the established culture of ideas with a new emphasis on reason and individualism. It took hundreds of years for the counter-Enlightenment, and in this country a hundred years of Pragmatism, to overthrow it into today's worsening decline. That will not be reversed overnight and cannot be reversed with only a better minority third political party trying to appeal to people whose fundamental premises have been corrupted.
If I were to compare to something from AS the closest would be Reardon Steel. Objectively the world had a need for the product but it lacked the demand. If not for Dagny seeing it for what it was there would have been no significant production of it.
The reason it became a success was due to the actions of one person with the resources to risk on it. What would the corollary be?
Perhaps if a monarchy or dictatorship were to see the merit and value in an objectivist run country and were to bet the country on having an objectivist or a group of them come in and run the country, the world could be shown the value. But absent that you would have to demonstrate in terms and manner which are incontrovertible that objectivists can run a country better. Assuming you could get any large collection of producers to go into a non-productive field.
However, unlike a physical product a political party requires a mass of people to buy into it for it to be demonstrated as working, valuable, successful in essence you need early adopters. Which is what I described - you need it adopted by a political division such as a country before others can see it and want it.
You're talking about only part of the process and in that process you're kissing out in the key factors. Not unlike people proclaiming celebrities or products and "instant/overnight" success because they didn't see all the prior years of effort which went into it. You need to find the early adopter, or in other terms the first follower.
Another key difference is that politics require you to get the majority vote here in the states before you can actually demonstrate the product. In a market you have to compete, sure. But in the political market simply promoting your own product and winning by appeal isn't enough to demonstrate it.
The closest we have seen to a successfull "third party" was The Reform Party. It was funded heavily by Perot. Even it wasn't successful despite winning some seats and even a gubernatorial one.
To be a successful party in the states means you have to have enough to exert some control over legislation and executive at state and federal. The RP never achieved that despite a "celebrity" or two and millions of not billions of money provided by Perot.
By contrast coming up with a real life Reardon Metal would be a walk in the woods (also the name of a really good two man play as I recall).
I can't speak for what the LP has become after 45 years of existence, but in the beginning it was certainly "a party based on true Objectivist thinking."
(Yes, I know Rand hated and denounced the LP from the start. I stand by my opinion.)
The Prime Law is about as objective as it gets.
The system makes it extra difficult for any third party to exist never mind prosper.
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There's your answer.
So... You did steps 1 and 2... carry forward to step 3. If not you, then who?
It's a Rearden problem. The need exists. You see the need. You have a potential solution. Fill the need. :-)
This being the case, an Objectivist political party would have to either remain silent on such issues or face public repudiation by Objectivists who disagree with the party’s proposals. Either situation would doom an Objectivist party to becoming a marginal player in the political process.
The current political landscape looks like this:
1. The Democratic Party. It's pretty much the Progressive party, as that is their ideology. It is very socialist in nature, advocating for more social spending, higher taxes, and a burgeoning debt. It's self-destructive, so all I can conclude is that these people are out to get their millions while they can and then retreat as the world burns, or they somehow have persuaded themselves that they'll escape the onrushing tsunami caused by their irresponsibility. The one thing that can be said is that this is a solid group who marches in lock-step and rarely defies their leadership.
2. The Republican Party. It's a mish-mash of Progressives (aka RINO's) and moderates. Because there is no single ideology, they rarely if ever can get anything done in force. And because the leadership is mostly RINO's who are more scared of the media than their constituents, they rarely stand up on the principles they campaigned on. It's a fairly inept group.
3. Outliers within the Republican Party. These are the Tea Party-types like Ted Cruz and the Libertarians like Rand Paul. They are pariahs even though they have an (R) next to their name and frequently raise the hackles on their RINO brethren. They are more Anti-Democrats than Republicans, however, as they aren't willing to go along with the Republican masses and instead choose to stand on principle.
That's pretty much it. You may have some local races which include a Green Party candidate, a Constitution Party candidate, a Libertarian Party candidate and a few others, but their cache is pretty limited, as is their financial backing.
But here's the real reason why there is no Objectivist Party: there's no money. Politics is all about money (unfortunately) - not ideology. It's the reason why people like George Soros dabble, and the reason why the Clinton Foundation has spent 8 years building up a slush fund of hundreds of millions: they know that money is the key to elections. It's the key to the media (aside from being a Progressive).
I read an article yesterday by a former Bush cabinet member that stated "they would kill him before they allowed him to be President". William Bennett,
I tend to agree with that. It is now the financial-military-industrial complex running things, and they will not be denied. They have been stuffing ballot boxes and fixing things since the days of Grover Cleveland.
It doesn't matter to them who wins, as long as they are controllable. Hillary is just a s good as JEB, Marco, or the others. Trump is self funding and uncontrollable. He could prosecute the former Attorney General, President, Secretary of State, and others and not be called down. That could lead to terrible disruption and perhaps legal exposure for the modern day robber barons.
"Hillary is just a s good as JEB, Marco, or the others."
To a certain degree, perhaps. The question is how fast we move towards socialism and where we spend our money in the meantime. With Hillary, it's full speed ahead towards despotism. With Jeb!, Christie, Rubio, Kasich, it would be a slower pace.
And I'm not really sure Trump would cause the amount of disruption you say. He talks big, but if you look at the history of his business dealings, they cause me to seriously question him. He's come out and stated he is a big fan of eminent domain in favor of businesses. He doesn't offer much as a reduction in taxes. And he's already said he's a fan of Obamacare. I think Trump is in it because he sees the business deals one can make as a government leader and wants a piece of the action. I can't say I believe he would be a good President.
I would take a look at how "The Donald" got his money. That he was able to parlay a $20 million inheritance into what he has now is a credit to him - or it would be if four bankruptcies weren't the method. He has stolen billions of dollars through those bankruptcies and openly laughed about it. To me, there is no difference between him and the politicians who take money from the unions. It's all legal theft.
If you wanted to talk about a businessman who got his money the right way before turning to politics, I'd make a case for Ross Perot.
Unless Trump is actually elected POTUS the most significant change will be even more rules against and independently wealthy candidate standing a chance - regardless of party.
Witness the reaction over the next few years. Witness the fear when one of 'our' ideas catches hold - even for a moment. The left lives in fear that one or more or any of these ideas will take root in the 110 thousand precincts. Short of shutting down the internet and controlling interstate mail and interstate travel.....they haven't a chance of the whole thing blowing up as it always does Y generation in support or not. i learned today X = lost and y is now called Millennium but x + Y = Zero when they have a taste of the whip they asked for they may make something of themselves but their fate is of no matter to me. Those that choose to act beyond their years may also pay the price for their folly.
Witness the reaction over the next few years. Witness the fear when one of 'our' ideas catches hold - even for a moment. The left lives in fear that one or more or any of these ideas will take root in the 110 thousand precincts. Short of shutting down the internet and controling interstate mail and interstate travel.....they haven't a chance of the whole thing blowing up as it always does Yhine generation in support or not.
Greeting to USSA from Free North America...
I would also point out that there is a certain amount of give and take in negotiations (unless you're a Democrat with the media on your side). That's the reality of politics. We deal with ideology in black in white on this forum. Their world is much more the gray of practicality and compromise. Would we like to see the conversations shift more towards personal liberty? Absolutely. But that is only going to happen in degrees - it isn't going to happen all at once.
Atlas Shrugged never talks about the aftermath of when the big collapse happens. It doesn't talk about the millions of people who die from starvation. It doesn't talk about the looting, rampaging mobs which will descend on and rip cities apart in search of food/water. It likes to pretend that there is a Gulch where the elites can escape and wait for the world to welcome them. Real life is going to be different. When the economy finally gives its last gasp due to debt and taxes, there will be no safe haven for people to run to and hide. Reality is going to come looking for everybody and it's not going to be idyllic like the novel.
So in that recognition and in favor of my own personal welfare and that of my family, I don't want to see a collapse. I don't want to give up and throw my hands in the air with the defeatists who say there is nothing to do but give up and let the end come. So I will choose to support imperfect men and women of character in our Nation's government despite their foibles. Because the alternative is terrible.
Rand Paul is Republican not a Libertarian
Ted Cruz is Tea Party 'after' the Republicans took it over.
Republican including their enablers = Rino = Democrats = Dinos = progressives = Socialists and the next step is ???? By any other name they are still left wing socialists who use any and all means for their one major goal. Government Control.
Considering how far they have progressed and how little the opposition has done anything I would say all of them are progressing ...
There is only one viable means of change at present and who knows how long before that will be compromised if it isn't already...
I forgot they have the couch potato support as well
(That would be the label placed on anyone who effectively opposed the statist money politics.)
Anyway, there was an effort, however minimal, to set up Objectivist Party groups but I don't know what came of it. Apparently nothing.
DIVIDE AND CONQUER is what they do.
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Ask yourself this instead: how to build a decentralized organization that by its very nature cannot and would not act as a big patronage machine? Like Ragnar Danneskjöld's crew, and then the Galt's Gulch Air-Land Militia, only larger. Much larger.
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