A handful of point, DrZ.

Jan

What can I say, Doc, other than somebody, somewhere, knows exactly this and is executing exactly this agenda of complete cognitive dissonance with one hell of an earthly gulag in mind.

and the real world "corrects" our delusions in ways which
may not be clear to the deluded -- like the downfall of
the rail line to the hotel in Key West. . Henry Flagler was
a visionary whose time had not yet come. -- j
.

It is a land grab. I called it a Trojan Horse because they tried to say what a win-win the decision is to not list the Sage Grouse as endangered. After 5 years of "collaborating" with State governments, they proceeded to issue radical Management Plans that completely ignored the States input. Especially in Nevada.

It really puts the squeeze on what little private land there is in Nevada by restricting the traditional grazing use of the adjacent public lands. They refused to acknowledge extensive studies and research that show sage grouse flourishes with a level of grazing and the risk of range fire is reduced. So, they are actually decreasing sage grouse habitat with their Land Plans. Scorch and burn.

lt is politically a land grab, but is much more than that: the viros' misanthropic worship of nature in a so-called "natural" state regarded as a mystical intrinsic value superseding man's values and rights. That is why they can so easily sacrifice people to the preservationist agenda.

If the bureaucrats got their way, everyone would sit at home in their cold dark tests, not using oil, gas, water, electricity, and building materials- but pay lots of taxes. We would all have medical insurance but not be able to afford to actually use the insurance. We would all work for the government and receive subsistence wages , except for the politicians and the other recipients of cronyism

I would love to get a glimpse of life in the USA in 50 years- just curiosity. Not a desire to live in it

!!! Fear and loathing on the public lands!

The ship's already run aground and is taking on water.

The UN already has both of those sewn up. That's one more on the list of reasons to abolish the UN, or at least leave it.

The Federal Wilderness and Endangered Species agenda against humanity is much older than the Globalwarming climate hysteria, let alone the current theatrics in Paris.

Trying to fight back in the courts is extremely disruptive and expensive for property owners and rarely succeeds.

These eco-fascist tactics of the viro preservationists are not reversed by future presidents, once established they become politically entrenched and not subject to reversal. They only grow, always in the name of "compromise", one step at a time. Part of that is due to the entrenched agency mechanisms that are rigged in favor of the viro pressure groups and insiders who live inside the agencies, but it is worse than even that. The National Park Service, etc. have been shafting private property owners for a century. Each instance is so abusive that the natural tendency is to at first believe that it is too extreme to happen, then when it does the victims aren't heard from in the PR din forever hyping that something has been "saved", with the usual quasi poetic imagery of scenery and furry animals. The wealthy, politically-connected viro pressure group lobby assures that politicians are unable to reverse their "gains".

"Sustainability is a Political Slogan, not Science."

Thanks db, an excellent quote from an excellent article. It goes to the heart of the current global machinations for the very control of what are finite resources. Because, the euphemism of "sustainability" defies the very reality that consumption of finite resources is not sustainable. Therefore, it is political, therefore disingenuous, therefore not cognizant of reality.

So, respectfully, I must take exception to your characterization that there is no such thing as a natural resource, and that it can't be finite.

The entire history of human existence, replete with all its conflict, progress, unique definition, and disasters, have been over the struggle for natural resources. Be it water, land, air, mineral, or livestock - human existence is dependent on these natural resources.

Now, maybe we can engage in discussion over what is "natural" - there is plenty of room for that - but it still comes down to the recognition of the properties of the real world around us. This is the essence of objectivism. The extent of our planet is finite. Any given material property contained therein is therefore finite.

Until and unless the Star Trek replicator or other such alchemy is invented, all resources are finite. The actual limits of this very measurable essence is of course a moving target as db suggests, based upon changing technologies, changing economics, and then yes, perhaps to the day when the infinite stars have become reachable to a very imperfect species known as humankind. But until then, the finite aspect is an undeniable reality.