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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years ago
    You got voted down on this because you seem to be an advocate for Christianity. I voted +1 because the news story is interesting and worth discussing.

    It is pretty much an accepted assumption here in the Gulch that mysticism is the basis of collectivism. Her essay, "Conservatism: An Obituary" Ayn Rand wrote at length about the obscene claim that your need for freedom cannot be proved, but must be taken on faith. That faith says that we must have limited government because people are not good enough to rule themselves. Meanwhile, other enemies of freedom claim that they can indeed plan the perfect society, that reason and science are on their side.

    Even if we accept the assumptions, the consequences are fraught with contradictions. Whose prayer is to be said in the schools: Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim...? The Protestant Bible lacks four books, according to the Catholics. Jews, of course, have no interest in any of those extra books. For some strange reason, Christian conservatives blanch at the Qu'ran (which mentions Jesus 25 times and the Virgin Mother of God 18), but were willing to vote for Mitt Romney who adheres to a "Third Testament" of a different kind.

    Some years ago, I socialized with a Baptist minister. (We were in the same coin club.) On a road trip one morning, he told me that Baptists are opposed to the confluence of church and state. "There's a lot of Baptists at the bottom of Lake Geneva," he said. "The Calvinists threw them in."

    On the eve of World War 2, Pentacostals were imprisoned for refusing to say the Pledge of Allegiance, which they regard as idolatry. I think that Quakers share that view. Probably others do also. How will your Christian Conservative lawmakers respond when their colleagues leading prayers in public schools run into other Christians who refuse to pledge or sing "America"?

    As for praying in public at all:
    "“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.
    But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."
    (Matthew 6:5)

    Why would any self-identified Christian advocate public prayer, unless they are ignorant of the actual teachings of Jesus?

    Then, there is that entire rendering unto Caesar thing. I think that Jesus would want you to pay your taxes. In fact, was there not a minor miracle in which Jesus found his tax money in the mouth of fish?

    "In some instances, pastors are trumpeting their candidacies or those of other evangelicals directly from the pulpit, in violation of Internal Revenue Service rules governing tax-exempt churches. Some are launching church-wide voter registration drives.
    [...]
    "Since 2012, about 900 preachers from evangelical fundamentalist churches across the United States have made recordings of politically infused sermons and sent them to the IRS. The federal tax agency, which declined to comment, has yet to take any action.
    [...]
    "Lane and his network of pastors say they are well within their rights to bring politics into the church. “The founding fathers never meant for the church not to participate in government,” said Lane. “They meant for the government not to interfere with the church."

    If you want to participate in government, pay your taxes.
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