Absolutely spot on! I want to shout, "It's all about the ruling class and what it wants. Not us peons." The Republican party would rather lose elections than let the Conservative wing of the party gain control.
There is no Republican Party. There is a label called Republicans In Name Only @ Enablers but added up it's just the right wing of the left. d
As long as they support the idea of Government over Citizens they are left wing.
Conservative is a worn out hackneyed meaningless term which in no way especially it's current PC definition fits the RINOs. Try using a real pre 1980 dictionary.
Your second sentence however is a one point boost. And then there were six.
Ben Carson is going to be in my neighborhood - Elko, Nevada - next Wednesday evening. I want to go, but right next door at the Convention Center and at the same exact time is the BLM public comment meeting on the huge sage grouse Management Plans that is taking my gold project. I need to be at the BLM meeting, but would like to accost Ben Carson with this whole sage grouse thing. As far as I know, Carson doesn't have a clue as to what is happening to us in these western public land States.
One point for encouragement..any chance of hooking with one of his staff and presenting something in writing..???? or send someone else?? I make one point thumb uip for encouragement.
Excellent question. That has me thinking. My tiny little gold company is original co-plaintiff with Elko County along with other Counties and now the Nevada AG as well. I have been working closely with the County Commission on this lawsuit that is in Reno Federal District Court currently. I helped the Commission write a letter of support to our tiny little company early last week. The letter summarizes the larger arguments in the lawsuit and then also how the feds gerrymandered the maps in the Final EIS to take our property. That letter has now gone to the BLM State Director and to the head of NDOW.
That letter must be gotten into Ben Carson's hands. And I think the Commission can help. Thanks for getting my brain turned in that direction! I would +100 if I could!
So, it all came down last Wednesday eve. I was determined to get the Elko County Commission letter of support into Carson's hands somehow. So, it was then which event to attend? I had already learned that the BLM "public scoping" dog and pony was a switch bait affair and that the public was not going to have a chance to verbally input anyway. Plus, I know more about this shit than any of their stooges anyway.
So, I decided on the Carson Rally. Got tickets (free). Duh. Carson starts at six pm, BLM at 5 pm. But paper says to start the Secret Service screening at 4 pm. Hmmmm. dilemma. What if I got through the SS screening say at 5:30 and could hit both. Ten minutes at the BLM is all about all I could stomach anyway. I watch the line at the other building carefully, if it got real long, I would shine on the BLM and just go. So, I hung out in the corridor outside of the BLM waiting for them to open doors at 5 pm.
I get talking with a rancher out in the open area while waiting. He is from Eureka County. We slowly test each others politics and soon there is an avalanche of tirade against the feds and this whole sage grouse trojan horse thing. And then he and I start noticing these obvious sore thumb characters filling up the open area and hovering in front of the yet to open BLM exhibit area. Secret Service. And there is one of them carefully, quietly circling us listening to our chatter. His ear is wired in with a coil to their internal chatter and buzz and analysis of the situation. And then a bunch of them are clustered in front of the men's room entrance. Our little hovering angel gets between us and the group at the men's room entrance. And Carson appears out of the men's room.
They pass in front of us and I stare eye to eye with Carson. He smiles, I smile. It turns out, and I had been privy to this possibility, that he was going to be brought over to the BLM dog and pony to be shown the posters and the little propaganda government produced video. That means he was brought outside of the SS screened safety zone in the Conference Center. Explains everything.
So, over to the Conference Center, I go and go through the SS screening process. Way more lax than at the airports. I did leave my leatherman at home this time after almost losing it at the Reno Federal District Court Building last month. This guy at this table says "Hey, you want free stuff?" I take a look and say naw, I don't need campaign shit, but use this to ask, is there anybody I can talk to, or is there a forum of staff that I could give a letter to get to Dr Carson? He points directly to the Carson Nevada campaign Director. I introduce myself and the topic at hand and he says they would love to have the letter, here is my card, and e-mail and please send it. That is now done, I am sure I will never hear anything back.
But, it also turns out that, Carson, after visiting the BLM dog and pony, was sequestered with mining people for 40 minutes before going on stage.
Over and all, though Carson gave a very good speech. He right off the bat brought up the sage grouse thing. He said the usual platitudes about, yes, we care about the environment and all that, but we have to do it with common sense. It must be reasonable. And when it comes to jobs and economy relative to unlisted species, he said he would know what he would do. Ton of applause, for whatever it was that he said. Over and all, he gave a very good political speech, very well received by over 800 Elkoans, with mostly generic platitudes, of course, but at the same time - I never knew he was such a damn good stand-up comedian! What a sense of humor!
I feel like the butterfly sneeze in the scheme of things, but this experience has been so bizarre as it is. I need to write a book on this. Fiction could not match what I have been through over the last year and a half.
Sir: that is impossible because they do not know the meaning of the word.
as for T or C being elected that would be great because if you think we have seen gridlock in DC with either of them in the oval office we will really see gridlock and that is good for us if NOTHING happens in DC. We know when things happen there it is not good for us so if nothing happens there it is good for us.
At that point it depends on the makeup of the Congress. The question is this.
Could Trump get any cooperation from either wing of the Government Party?
Why not? He's been buying Congressionals for years? 535 times 52 weeks times ,$1000 a week to the campaign fund is 28 million a year 223 million or so for the full eight and he's worth 8 billion? That's in money terms. Less than that if you only go after committee chairs
Looks like Trump and Carson are finally finding out what politics are really all about. It is a game in which the winners attain wealth and power. Those who are not in it for those two reasons threaten all the rest by their example. Of the two, power is the most important, because with it, everything is attainable. Trump is a threat because he has the money, and it's pretty obvious that he wants power -- lots of power. Carson is an even bigger threat because he is possibly what he appears to be, innocent Saint Benjamin. I'll bet the boys in the back room are just realizing that they finally went too far on reneging on their promises and are trying to figure out how to make themselves look good to the great unwashed, so that outsiders won't look so desirable.
Life is soooooo sweeeet. They have no where to go except back to past.....and like Susan Estrogen die on the Rosie Whoopie show with the rest of the rejects.
Scene: The smoke-filled back room. The iconic GOP power brokers are sitting around a large table with bottles of single malt scotch and soda bottles and glasses. An Iconic power broker speaks: I.P,B. You mean to tell me we'll have to resort to telling the truth?
If I wanted Koolaid, I'd get Koolaid. I never developed a taste for beer, even the light kind. I see that they now have flavored beer, but since alcohol is forbidden, if I'm going to cheat it just might as well be with the good stuff.
My doctor prescribed it as a blood thinner. Come to think of it..time for my medicine. heh heh heh. Maybe you need a second opinion?
Clamato and real beer is a good mix. Everything a growing boy needs. Just like bichi burgers and bichi dogs? Halling's you can explain that when you stop laughing. Whee Halling lives they eat Baja Dogs..in Sonora we're more civilizado and health conscious.
When we both get to the real Gulch, I will make some beer. Maybe find some you like, Herb ;^) I'd make single malt, but don't have the patience to wait 12 years to improve my recipe. (Of course, I would only do so in a legal jurisdiction like the Gulch;^)
I'm always amazed at how many holdout Republicans there are here compared to large or small "L" libertarians. I mean, who really gives a shit about Trump/Carson?!
The country would be better off without the Government Party and go back to a multi party system of government. Calling their left and right wings by two names instead of just The Socialist Party isn't fooling anyone.
Yes! We would be better off without the GOP! Years ago a donator, I no longer merely toss a GOP donation request into the trash can. Now I slap it in there with steadily growing contempt. Maybe I'll start spitting on them first. Me dino gets emotional sometimes. Self-serving professional politician traitors make me sick.
Why do things by halves get rid of the left wing of the left at the same time you are dumping the right wing of the left. The whole world would be better off.
After the failure of the Goldwater Republican Revolution, the party realized and acquiesced to the reality that they had no answer to the progressive money-for-votes scheme. And so they compromised their principles until none remained.
Yes, a number of people with principles eventually left to form the Libertarian Party. Sad that a scumbag like LBJ caused so much damage to the republic. Of course, the GOP didn't have a history of sticking to principles at all.
Some of us did....some became tea partiers and still supported the Republicans, some just became disgusted...and many took counsel of their fears turned around put their heads in the sand and yelled BOHICA.
Not the way it's supposed to be but what does one expect from the status quo...we voted for em...so it's up to us the change that. (and watch out for cheating on both sides) The Naked Communist, circa 1958 predicted that they'd own Both parties eventually...could almost call em all demoncraps now...
Just for the fun of it anyone from the Carolinas or Virginia? The former CEO of BB&T? After that taught at Wake Forest and now I think with CATO Institute? What's a good suthriner objectivist or libertarian opinion on someone who reportedly bought 30,000 copies of AS and made it required reading for his employees??? Pursuant to the comment above?
no..air force then airline pilot...retired now...knew Ayn Rand and Nat Branden personally...was at founding of Libertarian Party in Ft Collins in 1970...know story of CEO of BB&T...living on beach in south florida watching cruise ships go in and out..teach option trading online now...never voted repub or dem...always libertarian..got kicked out of Tea Party...too radical...lol
John Allison I put up a thread based on finding people of his caliber instead of the Dorian Grey Republican and Democrat excrement we're wasting all this time discussing. Crap is crap.
This shows how strong the politically correct need to be politically correct. The 2 least PC candidates are feared by the party. Let the feud lead to a Hillary victory and then see how ignorant they are.
Trump can fund his own campaign but the result wil be similar to Perot and even if he did win wouldn't make him any the less a left wing corporatist statist add looter. Ominous Parallels should be required reading for any trumpet blowers.
If they do this, then Hillary will win. They may be arrogant enough to think they can swing enough voters to win if they go Independent, but I do not believe that is true. Their best chance for victory lies in painting their individual political platforms on the canvas of 'Republican'.
and your answer is eight more years of left wing socialism under another name? I got to say this.. If that's the attitude the country wasn't worth fighting for and the military ought to take over. Looking at the leavings and dregs you are suggesting is just looking at the other face of the left. No solution at all just despair and excrement and fear.A nation which deserves what it asks for was not worth fighting for....but then we didn't take our oath to the nation nor the people nor the government our oath was to the Constitution. That was worth defending. It's sad the rest of the country is so worthless.
My answer is 'to vote for the best person who I think has a chance of winning'. You have asked me before, "how's that workin' out, last 50 years or so?" The answer to that is "There is no way to knowing. There is no baseline to which we can compare."
We cannot know what things would look like if people had taken your advice and 'not voted' instead of voting for people who were marginally better. I think that we would be in worse shape; you think that we would be in better shape.
We are going to have to differ here. I am still able to imagine making a positive difference by voting a better person into office.
How do you know other than by imagination and in the face of proof positive you are making any difference whatsoever other than supporting a continued and measurable slide to the left.
You don't because you found it easier to wait and wait and wait for that imaginary dude or dudette on a white horse to charge in and save the day. You waited for marginally better while things got measurably worse.thanks to your help.
You 'think' but you do not 'know' because you use think as the way out of accepting responsibility.. Think in that context is commonly known as a cop out. Plato invented it. But are you one of the chosen anointed few that Plato stated were exempt from the sin of thinking they could think.
No baseline? Or you didn't bother to look. Does your 'imagination allow you to do that? So where is this 'better person.' Not on any list of left wing approved candidates I have seen. Just a steady drift to the left.
You can't imagine what things would look like? You don't have much of an imagination. You can keep your imagination. It serves no useful purpose in the real world. It's too one sided but it is good for evading reality - and responsibility.
Prove to me there is no baseline...Careful it's a trick question. It uses facts not imagination.
Only because you reject reality. I will give you an easy example. The first major use of military after WWII. WI andWWII we will set aside or the figure will skew dramatically. Or base line budgeting which is even easier but this one is near and dear....
Korean War Base line is zero.
Battle Deaths 33,741 Other Deaths in theater 2,827 Total 36,568 Administration entering the conflict Truman D. Score is 33,568 D to zero R.
Vietnam War US Battle Deaths, 47.410 Other deaths in theater 10,789 Total 58,199 Administration entering the war Johnson D. Score 81,767
Gulf War Battle Deaths 147 Other In theater 342 Total 489 Administration starting Bush R Score 81,677 D to 489 R
1. Other conflicts are statistically insignificant. 2. The follow on wars were Bush II Iraq concluded by Obama and Afghanistan/Iran Obama.
Two conclusions can be drawn leaving out WWI and WWI which were both wars started and conducted by Wilson D and Roosevelt D.
One the number of deaths in conflicts or was is dropping dramatically.
Two Since WWII the ratio of of US Service personnel killed in wars begun with Democrat Administration is 167 to 1 however if Nixon is given credit for US service personnel deaths then it drops to 18-1 D to R.
Conclusion which is of value mostly to US combat personnel don't go to war with a Democrat in the White House.
the final comment is of no importance to non-combatants and civilians. It is of primary importance to combat troops. Adding in the complete figures does not change the outcome.
That was a base line that you claim doesn't or can't exist. The disparity in Korea and Vietnam had to do with micro management by unqualified civilians on the one hand and sufficient guidance on the other. That thankfully seems to have changed to a greater extent but still exists. With the joining of the two formerly separate parties that base line derivative concludes with withdrawal form Afghanistan
That was an easy example. If you add in I shall do the same back to mmmm beginning of civil war? That will get you some R figures 140,000 vs 350,000 additonal for the D column. You want to try balanced budget with a surplus.
Don't it's a rigged question and I don't mind taking advantage of the fact it was rigged by the Democrats with the collusion of the Republicans.
Better you go back to Imagining your other world
For the rest of us it's other countries or other political parties.or other budgets A is A. the rest is just ....imagination. i wouldn't recommend you try for a CPA degree.
You have interesting figures, well presented, but you miss my point. In medicine, in order for a doctor to know 'what to do about your back pain' he first has to know 'what a normal back looks like'. We cannot know 'what the world would look like if Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf wars had not existed. Superficially, it would appear that 100,000 lives would not have been lost by the US, but if that resulted in a world where the US homeland had been bombed by aggressive enemies, then more lives than that might have been lost.
This discussion began, not with war, but with my countering your assertion that no-vote was the best choice 'because the US is currently a mess'. My counter is that we do not know if the US would be in better or worse shape if people had chosen to not vote instead of choosing to vote for the best candidate available. There can be no baseline on this (unless...string theory) because the world of no-vote does not exist for comparison.
I know I was rejecting it in a civilized way. The last sentence is false. One only has to go to any Almanac and look up the figures which now have risen to 30-35% in Presidential years and 50 plus percent in off year elections. The only way to vote no is don't vote. Probably why the Gummint Party is trying for a mandatory or get fined as part of your tax return mandatory voting system. The low turnouts are very embarrassing.
I do not mean to say falsified or intentionally falsfied just that is not true. Looking it up you will find in the last seven years the different varieties of no votes have been lumped together. in something called available voters pool. That kept credence being available for the splinter or third parties or individuals. However it did not stop no registrant and registrants not voting from existing. From the baselines one can easily interpolate and extract the amount of people opting out of the system and further that the world of no vote is increasing Unless the no registrant and no votes are All winner take all in which case it's vote theft.
If Carson teams up with Trump after Trumps racial remarks Carson doesn't deserve squat..... he likes income tax and he's a Republican...three strikes your out. Trump started with three strikes. and then told that whopper about the Ford Plant moving back amongst a bunch of others but he could buy the election What was the amount spent last time by both sides of the left just to play the charade?? More than two billion and less than three billion just doing a fast google search... He's got eight billion is it? One big Super Super PAC and it's all legal.
What they never explain is why it is perfectly OK to force millions of people to hold their nose and vote for Bob Dole, Mitt, or John McCain. but let someone come along with no strings back to big money and popular appeal...well something just has to be done about that. Why can't they hold their nose and take one for the party?
Because the party doesn't mean what you think it does. They will never allow anyone who isn't reliably controlled to have a chance to take a position of power. Nobody forced anyone to vote for the boring, reliable trio. Naive republicans have been wasting their votes voluntarily for two generations, and there is no sign they have learned anything. Trust King Donnie Trump? HAH!
You are of course referring to the DNC who control the RINOS that's the whole point and when Trumpet boy or the RINOS comes sucking around for our votes kick him in the ass, laugh and walk away. or Say Seig Me No Heils Comrades I don't serve your party. eight years more so what? took them 100 years four major wars one major depression and the same thing getting ready to happen again regardless.
Cease enabling Take Control Make Change and that includes enabling the moochers.
What I find funny is that the GOP has never learned that if it sticks to its' principles, it will win.. But instead, they want to be liked. You wouldn't go back to your doctor just because you "like" him if he was not helping you become well. Our country is in a fiscal crisis and whether you "like" someone should take a back seat to someone who can "heal" this economic cancer that we've been diagnosed with. Many people have been enamored by the doctor they elected just to find that he only plays one on TV. (Sorry for the medical analogy, however, it was most fitting)
They have no principles and I don't like them. I never vote left wing unless it's somebody who will blow the whole thing up internally. That isn't Trumpet Boy...Too too risky...That guy I'm asking about George Allison I think knows economics inside and out, been there done that and in tune with our philosophy in the most practical way possible. Works for CATO the Libertarian think tank ...does not like the current way of doing business in the government....??? Just a thought but a serious one....Possibly better than my Carley/Jindahl plan....
Too be fair I shoudl contrast them with the left wing of the left. They never had any principles, I don't like them and never vote left wing besides then there is the secular progressive reputation so that takes care of the Democrats.
Still like to here some local knowledge about Allison of BB&T
A threat is talk. Will they walk the walk? That's another real iffffffyyyyyyyy and if they do will they walk left or right or ....???? Will they shed big crocodile tears like Boner? All Boo Hoo and everything? (had to translate for the younger generation)
Exactly. Don't worry about it don't play in their rigged game, Vote None Of the Above which in a game with card sharks means - don't participate. just as valid and keeps them from making stupid claims like landslides and mandates. Their choices leaves you sitting their yelling Where's the Charmin?
If you can convince me that I'm wrong, please make your case. The only thing that my vote does is offset the vote of a moocher; there are more moochers than producers, so we can no longer win.
Leftist supporter? Hardly. But there are far more of them than there are of us; it's a numbers game, and we don't have the numbers anymore.
So it just seems pointless to worry about the inevitable.
I thought about that some more. If there is no use playing then why are you voting for other half of the left wing? That sounds like active participation and approval. Your final answer on what to do does not support your final statement defining the situation.
That 's one excuse. I don't have to convince you have to convince yourself... Remember we make independent choices as free people. That's not allowed on the other side.
Remember a vote is a one shot weapon. Two if you count primary and general. But it's versatile. In primary local races matter. especially in precincts. The current rules the partys are following are first fifteen states get free choice voting those that followi the primaries are winner take all. barring rules changes.
You can register democrat and vote for the weakest candidates they have. You can do the same republican but they are hardly worth the effort. You still get to vote for the local stuff and support or nullify the individuals on an individual local basis. So can your friends... THEN you can stay registered that way or re-register as something else depending on how you want to use your vote and what or who is on the ballot. Along way you can create pockets of resistance. saying I'm a Dino I'm a Rino and answer polls saying I'm not supporting this or that candidate. Independents don't get to vote against Hillary in the primary.... do it as a group in your own precinct you create doubt do it in a number of precincts you create fear - why did our party numbers go up and the support for the candidate go down? They are then seen as weak.
In the General you can vote against one and therefore for the other but that is a winner take all situation. So if you vote ...Trump for example or a write in and Hillary wins she gets the entire vote and can claim a mandate or a landslide on the electoral college level. Bush by the way had both but not in great numbers.
In the General you can leave the presidential line blank don't vote for either depending on the state rules it may still go the winner take all column...
Or you can not vote in the General election at all
Or you can not register and not vote in anything including the primary. Which may keep you off the jury selection as well.
The least two are where the under vote disparity comes in. Those eligible to vote who didn't vote Presidential and those who didn't register. That translates directly into a no confidence or a None Of the Above interpretation.. Must be useful I see the left is trying hard to get a mandatory with a fine voting requirement
In a Presidential year it's 35% give or take...
So the goal there is to use your register/not register ability and your vote or note vote ability to deny the winner take all perecentage.
Consider with 30% not registering that's 70% divided by three less those not voting. Democrat and Republican are fairly close but no way with winner take all they are getting a majority much less a mandate or a landslide. Those figures are increasing in the non register non voting category.
At near fifty percent in the off year the winner's actual vote is often less but since many of the states no longer keep records of splinter, write in or third party it has, intentionally, become harder to gauge. But it also becomes harder for any of those elected to claim they represent much more than a fraction in either case.
That's the target information it's a target rich environment with all the candidates falling in that category. Fire your ballot iwhere it will do the most good - your choice your responsibility.
If you want more than a one shot musket with two shots a year allowed talk to your friends in your own precinct. There are a 110,000 battlegrounds that way. 3143 counties and 50 States. Select your own targets method. If you don't have initiative or recall get it. If iyou have winner take all other than federal electoral get rid of it. Or demand the spnumber of registrants, registrants not voting, voting for other than two candidates using write in be counted and verified and published. Limiting general to top two primary vote getter's or any other limit banned. If your county clerk says it's too much trouble they work for you not the other way around. If they won't recall petitition or vote against them in the next election.
If you don't have initiative or recall you are in one of the slave states. Think about it. Much easier at the local level and that includes None Of The Above with 50% of registered voters plus 1 two more good things to add.
Lots of ways to shoot your ballots before it's time for a vowel change
110,000 points of light are hard to put out even for those with billions. And each one costs the money, time and effort. That's my idea of working together and giving back. Attack the weak and weaken the strong.
This whole thing about destroying Trump is stupid. He is the only one, perhaps excepting Carson, who is willing to be politically incorrect and tell it like it is. Thats what the GOP doesnt like, because they all lie and manipulate us.
I am voting fro Trump. When the emperor has no clothes, I want to hear about it
The electable alternatives are worse unfortunately. Would u rather have Hillary? She lies, hides her cronyism, and is another chameleon socialist. The other gop candidates don't have a prayer of defeating Hillary with her fake smile that hides the viciousness within
I would rather there be a good choice, but I think that given our "mob rule democracy", its unlikely that we would get anyone other than Hillary unless there is a stong candidate on the GOP side that can gather more votes.
So to use your metaphor, we have to choose Scylla or Charybdis OR we get Hillary.
If we are going to get Hillary, I would rather Sanders and get this whole nonsense thing over so our country can be rebuilt the right way
As long as they support the idea of Government over Citizens they are left wing.
Conservative is a worn out hackneyed meaningless term which in no way especially it's current PC definition fits the RINOs. Try using a real pre 1980 dictionary.
Your second sentence however is a one point boost. And then there were six.
I need to clone myself!
That letter must be gotten into Ben Carson's hands. And I think the Commission can help. Thanks for getting my brain turned in that direction! I would +100 if I could!
So, I decided on the Carson Rally. Got tickets (free). Duh. Carson starts at six pm, BLM at 5 pm. But paper says to start the Secret Service screening at 4 pm. Hmmmm. dilemma. What if I got through the SS screening say at 5:30 and could hit both. Ten minutes at the BLM is all about all I could stomach anyway. I watch the line at the other building carefully, if it got real long, I would shine on the BLM and just go. So, I hung out in the corridor outside of the BLM waiting for them to open doors at 5 pm.
I get talking with a rancher out in the open area while waiting. He is from Eureka County. We slowly test each others politics and soon there is an avalanche of tirade against the feds and this whole sage grouse trojan horse thing. And then he and I start noticing these obvious sore thumb characters filling up the open area and hovering in front of the yet to open BLM exhibit area. Secret Service. And there is one of them carefully, quietly circling us listening to our chatter. His ear is wired in with a coil to their internal chatter and buzz and analysis of the situation. And then a bunch of them are clustered in front of the men's room entrance. Our little hovering angel gets between us and the group at the men's room entrance. And Carson appears out of the men's room.
They pass in front of us and I stare eye to eye with Carson. He smiles, I smile. It turns out, and I had been privy to this possibility, that he was going to be brought over to the BLM dog and pony to be shown the posters and the little propaganda government produced video. That means he was brought outside of the SS screened safety zone in the Conference Center. Explains everything.
So, over to the Conference Center, I go and go through the SS screening process. Way more lax than at the airports. I did leave my leatherman at home this time after almost losing it at the Reno Federal District Court Building last month. This guy at this table says "Hey, you want free stuff?" I take a look and say naw, I don't need campaign shit, but use this to ask, is there anybody I can talk to, or is there a forum of staff that I could give a letter to get to Dr Carson? He points directly to the Carson Nevada campaign Director. I introduce myself and the topic at hand and he says they would love to have the letter, here is my card, and e-mail and please send it. That is now done, I am sure I will never hear anything back.
But, it also turns out that, Carson, after visiting the BLM dog and pony, was sequestered with mining people for 40 minutes before going on stage.
Over and all, though Carson gave a very good speech. He right off the bat brought up the sage grouse thing. He said the usual platitudes about, yes, we care about the environment and all that, but we have to do it with common sense. It must be reasonable. And when it comes to jobs and economy relative to unlisted species, he said he would know what he would do. Ton of applause, for whatever it was that he said. Over and all, he gave a very good political speech, very well received by over 800 Elkoans, with mostly generic platitudes, of course, but at the same time - I never knew he was such a damn good stand-up comedian! What a sense of humor!
as for T or C being elected that would be great because if you think we have seen gridlock in DC with either of them in the oval office we will really see gridlock and that is good for us if NOTHING happens in DC. We know when things happen there it is not good for us so if nothing happens there it is good for us.
Could Trump get any cooperation from either wing of the Government Party?
Why not? He's been buying Congressionals for years? 535 times 52 weeks times ,$1000 a week to the campaign fund is 28 million a year 223 million or so for the full eight and he's worth 8 billion? That's in money terms. Less than that if you only go after committee chairs
the voters have figured them out ... and oh, are they
p i s s e d. -- j
.
I.P,B.
You mean to tell me we'll have to resort to telling the truth?
.
Single malt, I like pure. Sometimes chilled, but no other liquids.
Clamato and real beer is a good mix. Everything a growing boy needs. Just like bichi burgers and bichi dogs? Halling's you can explain that when you stop laughing. Whee Halling lives they eat Baja Dogs..in Sonora we're more civilizado and health conscious.
I like it.
I'd make single malt, but don't have the patience to wait 12 years to improve my recipe. (Of course, I would only do so in a legal jurisdiction like the Gulch;^)
"What difference at this point does it make?"
Years ago a donator, I no longer merely toss a GOP donation request into the trash can.
Now I slap it in there with steadily growing contempt.
Maybe I'll start spitting on them first.
Me dino gets emotional sometimes.
Self-serving professional politician traitors make me sick.
In spirit. I did not make myself clear on that.
The Naked Communist, circa 1958 predicted that they'd own Both parties eventually...could almost call em all demoncraps now...
Just wondering....?
Jan
My answer is 'to vote for the best person who I think has a chance of winning'. You have asked me before, "how's that workin' out, last 50 years or so?" The answer to that is "There is no way to knowing. There is no baseline to which we can compare."
We cannot know what things would look like if people had taken your advice and 'not voted' instead of voting for people who were marginally better. I think that we would be in worse shape; you think that we would be in better shape.
We are going to have to differ here. I am still able to imagine making a positive difference by voting a better person into office.
Jan
You don't because you found it easier to wait and wait and wait for that imaginary dude or dudette on a white horse to charge in and save the day. You waited for marginally better while things got measurably worse.thanks to your help.
You 'think' but you do not 'know' because you use think as the way out of accepting responsibility.. Think in that context is commonly known as a cop out. Plato invented it. But are you one of the chosen anointed few that Plato stated were exempt from the sin of thinking they could think.
No baseline? Or you didn't bother to look. Does your 'imagination allow you to do that?
So where is this 'better person.' Not on any list of left wing approved candidates I have seen. Just a steady drift to the left.
You can't imagine what things would look like? You don't have much of an imagination. You can keep your imagination. It serves no useful purpose in the real world. It's too one sided but it is good for evading reality - and responsibility.
Prove to me there is no baseline...Careful it's a trick question. It uses facts not imagination.
There is no baseline. There is no other world in which people behaved differently that allows us to isolate the variables.
Jan
Korean War Base line is zero.
Battle Deaths 33,741
Other Deaths in theater 2,827
Total 36,568
Administration entering the conflict Truman D.
Score is 33,568 D to zero R.
Vietnam War
US Battle Deaths, 47.410
Other deaths in theater 10,789
Total 58,199
Administration entering the war Johnson D.
Score 81,767
Gulf War
Battle Deaths 147
Other In theater 342
Total 489
Administration starting Bush R
Score 81,677 D to 489 R
1. Other conflicts are statistically insignificant.
2. The follow on wars were Bush II Iraq concluded by Obama and Afghanistan/Iran Obama.
Two conclusions can be drawn leaving out WWI and WWI which were both wars started and conducted by Wilson D and Roosevelt D.
One the number of deaths in conflicts or was is dropping dramatically.
Two Since WWII the ratio of of US Service personnel killed in wars begun with Democrat Administration is 167 to 1 however if Nixon is given credit for US service personnel deaths then it drops to 18-1 D to R.
Conclusion which is of value mostly to US combat personnel don't go to war with a Democrat in the White House.
the final comment is of no importance to non-combatants and civilians. It is of primary importance to combat troops. Adding in the complete figures does not change the outcome.
That was a base line that you claim doesn't or can't exist. The disparity in Korea and Vietnam had to do with micro management by unqualified civilians on the one hand and sufficient guidance on the other. That thankfully seems to have changed to a greater extent but still exists. With the joining of the two formerly separate parties that base line derivative concludes with withdrawal form Afghanistan
That was an easy example. If you add in I shall do the same back to mmmm beginning of civil war? That will get you some R figures 140,000 vs 350,000 additonal for the D column. You want to try balanced budget with a surplus.
Don't it's a rigged question and I don't mind taking advantage of the fact it was rigged by the Democrats with the collusion of the Republicans.
Better you go back to Imagining your other world
For the rest of us it's other countries or other political parties.or other budgets A is A. the rest is just ....imagination. i wouldn't recommend you try for a CPA degree.
You have interesting figures, well presented, but you miss my point. In medicine, in order for a doctor to know 'what to do about your back pain' he first has to know 'what a normal back looks like'. We cannot know 'what the world would look like if Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf wars had not existed. Superficially, it would appear that 100,000 lives would not have been lost by the US, but if that resulted in a world where the US homeland had been bombed by aggressive enemies, then more lives than that might have been lost.
This discussion began, not with war, but with my countering your assertion that no-vote was the best choice 'because the US is currently a mess'. My counter is that we do not know if the US would be in better or worse shape if people had chosen to not vote instead of choosing to vote for the best candidate available. There can be no baseline on this (unless...string theory) because the world of no-vote does not exist for comparison.
Jan
Jan
.
Nobody forced anyone to vote for the boring, reliable trio. Naive republicans have been wasting their votes voluntarily for two generations, and there is no sign they have learned anything. Trust King Donnie Trump? HAH!
Cease enabling
Take Control
Make Change
and that includes enabling the moochers.
Still like to here some local knowledge about Allison of BB&T
So we're gonna end up with another 4 or 8 years of the same crap, regardless of the letter beside the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania.
The establishment will still be in control, and we're another 4 or 8 years nearer the end.
So why worry about it?
But some people like voting for left wing socialist fascists and only disagree on witch one.
spelling is correct.
Leftist supporter? Hardly. But there are far more of them than there are of us; it's a numbers game, and we don't have the numbers anymore.
So it just seems pointless to worry about the inevitable.
Remember a vote is a one shot weapon. Two if you count primary and general. But it's versatile. In primary local races matter. especially in precincts. The current rules the partys are following are first fifteen states get free choice voting those that followi the primaries are winner take all. barring rules changes.
You can register democrat and vote for the weakest candidates they have. You can do the same republican but they are hardly worth the effort. You still get to vote for the local stuff and support or nullify the individuals on an individual local basis. So can your friends... THEN you can stay registered that way or re-register as something else depending on how you want to use your vote and what or who is on the ballot. Along way you can create pockets of resistance. saying I'm a Dino I'm a Rino and answer polls saying I'm not supporting this or that candidate. Independents don't get to vote against Hillary in the primary.... do it as a group in your own precinct you create doubt do it in a number of precincts you create fear - why did our party numbers go up and the support for the candidate go down? They are then seen as weak.
In the General you can vote against one and therefore for the other but that is a winner take all situation. So if you vote ...Trump for example or a write in and Hillary wins she gets the entire vote and can claim a mandate or a landslide on the electoral college level. Bush by the way had both but not in great numbers.
In the General you can leave the presidential line blank don't vote for either depending on the state rules it may still go the winner take all column...
Or you can not vote in the General election at all
Or you can not register and not vote in anything including the primary. Which may keep you off the jury selection as well.
The least two are where the under vote disparity comes in. Those eligible to vote who didn't vote Presidential and those who didn't register. That translates directly into a no confidence or a None Of the Above interpretation.. Must be useful I see the left is trying hard to get a mandatory with a fine voting requirement
In a Presidential year it's 35% give or take...
So the goal there is to use your register/not register ability and your vote or note vote ability to deny the winner take all perecentage.
Consider with 30% not registering that's 70% divided by three less those not voting. Democrat and Republican are fairly close but no way with winner take all they are getting a majority much less a mandate or a landslide. Those figures are increasing in the non register non voting category.
At near fifty percent in the off year the winner's actual vote is often less but since many of the states no longer keep records of splinter, write in or third party it has, intentionally, become harder to gauge. But it also becomes harder for any of those elected to claim they represent much more than a fraction in either case.
That's the target information it's a target rich environment with all the candidates falling in that category. Fire your ballot iwhere it will do the most good - your choice your responsibility.
If you want more than a one shot musket with two shots a year allowed talk to your friends in your own precinct. There are a 110,000 battlegrounds that way. 3143 counties and 50 States. Select your own targets method. If you don't have initiative or recall get it. If iyou have winner take all other than federal electoral get rid of it. Or demand the spnumber of registrants, registrants not voting, voting for other than two candidates using write in be counted and verified and published. Limiting general to top two primary vote getter's or any other limit banned. If your county clerk says it's too much trouble they work for you not the other way around. If they won't recall petitition or vote against them in the next election.
If you don't have initiative or recall you are in one of the slave states. Think about it. Much easier at the local level and that includes None Of The Above with 50% of registered voters plus 1 two more good things to add.
Lots of ways to shoot your ballots before it's time for a vowel change
110,000 points of light are hard to put out even for those with billions. And each one costs the money, time and effort. That's my idea of working together and giving back. Attack the weak and weaken the strong.
I am voting fro Trump. When the emperor has no clothes, I want to hear about it
Since many of Trump's supporters follow him superficially, maybe they won't want to add to the string of embarrassing Presidents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf...
So to use your metaphor, we have to choose Scylla or Charybdis OR we get Hillary.
If we are going to get Hillary, I would rather Sanders and get this whole nonsense thing over so our country can be rebuilt the right way