Galt's Gulch
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Check out the new law that Obama quietly signed over the weekend

Posted by UncommonSense 8 years, 11 months ago to Legislation
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?? What are they predicting? I'm going to verify this by getting the PDF of HR 22 and read it for myself. This is insane.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Might as well make the entire nation a debtors prison... Let's see... what is worse, the small amount someone might owe on their taxes or the huge debt the government has saddled each of us with absent our consent? Who is responsible for a greater debt to the nation. The wrong people are being targeted.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
      The solution to all this is to only work as hard as needed to live, and await the eventual downfall of our socialist government. I mean, really, why work any harder and just help support the very system that is stealing from you every day? We are fast approaching the day when the movers and shakers will disappear and stop working, as in Atlas Shrugged.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago
        The only problem with that strategy is a practical one: the tax laws are designed to prevent it. To legally keep enough to live, you've got to really earn about twice that much and pay the rest into the system. Thus the desirability of a Gulch.
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    • Posted by blackswan 8 years, 11 months ago
      It's not without our consent. We elected these bastards over and over again, even though we saw what they were doing. We have no one to blame but ourselves. The sooner we accept that fact, the sooner we can stop digging, and work ourselves out of this mess.
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      • Posted by KCLiberty 8 years, 11 months ago
        This is a reply to blackswan: Speak for yourself. I've never lowered my morality or intellect to the point of voting for a Republican or Democrat for federal office. I worked my ass off for over four years trying to educate the sheeple during Ron Paul's campaigns. And most people, like you apparently, ignored and dismissed me, even though this is exactly the stuff he was warning about. People laughed at him when he said in a debate that when the government needs our stuff because of debt, border walls will be built to keep people and their wealth IN the country. And here we are...
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 11 months ago
    The government's been doing this for ages. A couple decades ago my mother left the US, becoming an expat. The State of California started seizing any financial assets, including bank accounts, that had her name on them. My brother fell victim to this, as he had an account we started when he was a kid and my mom's name was still on it. They claimed she owed taxes, but she didn't.

    They hate when somebody with money leaves.
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  • Posted by UncommonSense 8 years, 11 months ago
    I found the PDF: all 1,034 pages...it's going to be awhile.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
      First question? Is Charles Rangel the former Congressional who is millions behind in his taxes going to be the first to have his passport revoked? Or is he on the get out of jail free card list? Who go the jillion pens they use to sign these things. That' s a clue in it self.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 11 months ago
        Our more than equal elite betters are always exempt from this or that silly law, most particularly one who a lib and of a racial minority.
        Just ask Al Sharpton..
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    • Posted by ewv 8 years, 11 months ago
      TITLE XXXII—OFFSETS
      Subtitle A—Tax Provisions
      SEC. 32101. REVOCATION OR DENIAL OF PASSPORT IN CASE OF CERTAIN UNPAID TAXES

      (a) IN GENERAL.—Subchapter D of chapter 75 of the Internal
      Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by adding at the end the following
      new section:
      ‘‘(a) IN GENERAL.—If the Secretary receives certification by
      the Commissioner of Internal Revenue that an individual has a
      seriously delinquent tax debt, the Secretary shall transmit such
      certification to the Secretary of State for action with respect to
      denial, revocation, or limitation of a passport pursuant to section
      32101 of the FAST Act...

      pages 418-422 of 490 pages in "H.R.22 To authorize funds for Federal-aid highways, highway safety programs, and transit programs, and for other purposes"

      https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-1...

      found at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z...

      passed Senate 83-116, House 359-65
      http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery...

      roll call Senate http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS...

      roll call House http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll6...

      Sens. Paul, Cruz, Rubio all opposed.

      Revoking passports is not the only controversial element in this massive "transportation" spending bill.
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      • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 11 months ago
        Thank you for these links. I always like to read the bills (except the ACA, I confess I"m still plowing through that one.)

        I like to see how senators and reps of other states vote. I NEVER have to check the roll calls to find out how my senators and reps vote. If it's socialist/facist or any type of Leviathan "ist" - they vote for it. All for the good and the safety of the people, of course.

        I fell down the rabbit hole years ago and landed in Connecticut. I didn't think anything could beat the Detroit Metro area. I was wrong. It is far more quiet and insidious here...and always served up politely with a slight placating smile.
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    • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
      1034 pages. I wonder how many law makers read the entire document before voting on it? I hope you can make time to read it and fill us in.
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 8 years, 11 months ago
        I found the part where it says passports will be denied (page 904). That doesn't bother me too much (am worried it would be abused by the gubbermeant) but what I find incredulous is they have made themselves exempt from any legal backlash by individuals who prove they were wrongly accused. (page 905)

        They want the power, they want the authority, but they don't want to be held accountable. That's what I call BS. It's as if there are teenagers in congress making laws.
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        • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
          Thanks for taking the time to read the bill.

          Governments will always stretch any rule to it's fullest extent. That is one of the best reasons to have a smaller government and less rules. But to exempt themselves from prosecution if they wrongly accuse is simply tyrannical.

          You may be giving them too much credit as teenagers. Sounds more like toddlers to me. :)
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      • Posted by Solver 8 years, 11 months ago
        My guess is zero. The best we can hope for is that someone else who does spend their time to actually read and comprehend these things will truthfully summarize what it says to a lawmaker.
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        • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
          I guess we could hope for that.

          In my opinion, elected officials are not doing their job to vote on any bill that they have not read. I have no problem with them asking for others advise, in fact I think that is equally important but to not read every word of a bill is a huge disservice to the American people. That is their only job and we would be better served if they spent more time reading bills and less time in front of the camera.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    Any proposal of more than 25 pages has a hidden agenda. The more pages, the more stuff hidden within them. Just one more reason to want to go to Washington and slap those silly bastards 'till they welt.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Hello UncommonSense,
    I find it quite telling that the government can't use the Visa or passport program as designed and adequately screen out terrorists, while I have the distinct feeling that they will be more effective at using it to keep us locked up here... all while they absolve themselves of any liability for abuse too...
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    10-289 is just around the corner I suspect. This law is very insidious. So now they are using the passport as a collection tool for the IRS, among the other tools the IRS has to extract money from us.
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
    Is anyone surprised to find out that someone employed by the government has come up with a new way to rob us? I doubt it on this forum.
    when the masses storm the bastille even then they in the government will not learn.or understand why it is happening. maybe we should redirect the muslim activity to the washington area.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
      Really! A big sign in every yard pointing to DC Not that's a group of yard signs I would like to see. Wonder if we can start that as a sign of protest.
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  • Posted by BrettRocketSci 8 years, 11 months ago
    We all need to get our Gulch exit plan beyond the talking phase...
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
      in another conversation there is a newcomer JetMec who is familiar with the possibilities of Eastern Europe. He was not one of us but led him to it and demonstrated the due diligence portion of obvjectivist research. In that response are some resources for investigating other places on terra that deal with expatria status. Perhaps you have a foreign language and foreign places of interest. You might investigate them further.....These days we have a system that while it may be monitored is difficult to shut down. So it's a case of seek and ye shall find. the world is much larger than consigning yourself to one small portion which in any case may be untenable. The Gulch is a state of mind and not limited to a few acres in Colorado.
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  • Posted by copperop 8 years, 11 months ago
    This is the height of arrogance. The Obama administration feels so magnificently perfect that their job is to shame and teach us all a lesson for all those years where we worked hard and tried to do the right thing.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 8 years, 11 months ago
    This law could still be challenged in court. Even if
    the law itself says that it can't be challenged, it
    still could on Constitutional grounds. As,for ins-
    tance "private property...taken for public use with-
    out just compensation." Also due process, and
    other grounds.--But it's not too surprising. With
    only about a year left in office, Obama will prob-
    ably try to pull all the s--- he can.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 11 months ago
    this reminds me of an "administrative procedure" which
    allowed the usaf to discharge an officer for simply being
    in the neighborhood of a sexual assault, without proof
    that he had any part in it.     . he was a co-worker in the
    reserves with me, and they solicited me for collusion,
    but I did not help them. . and I could not stop them.
    I was able to continue on to Lieutenant Colonel,
    but he was kicked out at Major. -- j
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago
    What does "revoke your passport" mean?
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    • Posted by copperop 8 years, 11 months ago
      It means you won't be allowed to emigrate when things become too oppressive.
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      • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago
        Oh. Thank you.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
          Coupled with a border check point system that check outbound citizens something not used at present That means beefing up the Customs, Immigration and Border Patrol units. Thus the police state grows and with a seemingly innocent plausible reason at each point of increase...until you sight the cheese...
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 8 years, 11 months ago
        IMO, should the sheeple finally see the light of day and begin trying to escape, and can't. This will only ensure a new blackmarket activity will arise: the underground exportation of Americans OUT of their country. China has had a blackmarket for decades getting chinese out, so why would it be any different here? The porous border with Mexico? Soon, the smugglers will be passing Americans who'll be sneaking their way TO Mexico while they're sneaking in.

        And if every country is just like the others (tyrannical, oppressive, etc) where then, does one go? Yep, the self-proclaimed elites have already planned for this, decades ago I'm afraid. This is the "global village" that Hellary was referring to...where everybody is a slave, no matter where they go.
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