The Illuminati???

Posted by trackman13 12 years, 1 month ago to The Gulch: General
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Have you ever sat back and looked at the problems we face and the decisions that often defy any kind of logic. I once had a boss a few years ago and he used to always blame the bad things happening on society on the Illuminati. He was a very rational man and definitely not a conspiracy theorists but as I sit back a observe it's made me wonder.

What would the other rational minds here in the gulch say about such a concept.


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  • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 12 years, 1 month ago
    The idea that there's a secret group of power manipulating everything on a mass scale is paranoia that is refuted simply:

    1. Tiny conspiracies always leak. There's no way one so large wouldn't.

    2. Social engineering never has (and likely never will) work. There are too many variables. If the economy can't be planned, how can the culture and politics of the world be planned in order to keep one group in power?
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  • Posted by crystalquartz 12 years, 1 month ago
    I think the illuminati and new world order are the same. We can't stop it, but we can slow it down. Even Hillary would go slower than Obama will, at bring down America. And I don't like Hillary either.
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  • Posted by crystalquartz 12 years, 1 month ago
    The government was developed to protect our borders and aid us in the case of natural disasters, neither of which do they do very well anymore. They just take our money now and shame us for making it.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
      Protect Boarders = Yes

      Aid in case of natural disasters = No, It was never the intent of either state or federal government. No should it be a role of government. People must prepare for and, of there own choice, help in times of need. Either to help themselves or others.
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      • Posted by itisntluck 12 years, 1 month ago
        Yep. The federal government has two legidimate responsibilities; National defense which is paid for with a head tax since all citizens benefit, and courts of contract law to be paid for by those who use them. Anything else is off limits.
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        • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
          Agreed, but I think its really only one legitimate responsibility. To prepared to use force when force is first engaged on any individual within the territory of the country governed.

          Both you examples fall under this. National defense is just that a defense that is used only after another military power brings force against the US, or an ally of the US if we choose to assist that ally.

          Courts and contracts of law are used by people who have had force used against them in some way by another. For an example if a landlord does not get the agreed upon contract and takes the tennat to court, the only reason the landlords actions are needed is becuase through failure to act the tennate has instigated teh force of theft (in this case retaining something that is no longer theirs) against him.

          All government actions that are legitimate protecting its citizens against the enemy foreign or domestic who initiates force of any kind against them.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 12 years, 1 month ago
    I can not speak to the real nature of a group like the Illuminati as a secret society. I can very easily say that the further the power is from the people the more likely corruption is to occur. Therefor the only reasonable reason to have a central world government is to provide a location for greater corruption.

    To clarify corruption is simply put the taking of the unearned in anyway. and that is more likely to occur and more likely to be able to be covered up the larger and more withdrawn from the people an organization is. It hard to hide million dollar transactions from a cities budget, or even county. Some states its much easier than others and the federal government is far easier to have the waste than any of the smaller government entities. Moving in the direction of bigger having more power and more money running through it is the wrong way, period.

    If such a group as the Illuminati does exist it would be far easier for them to wield and control power from a single central world governement than from smaller national and state governments. Move the power down a far as you can in a society and corruption has a much harder time thriving.
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