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  • Posted by gcarl615 9 years, 1 month ago
    I always thought Galts motor was a metaphor for the human minds ability to create. Having said that I do believe almost anything is possible given human ability to create. In my life I am amazed at what has been invented.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
      I completely agree, with the caveat that it's a symbol both of creativity and of creation (true invention as opposed to clever adaptation). All efforts to wrest the Galt motor's secrets in AS fail until a truly creative mind is applied.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 1 month ago
    For a very nice coverage of this subject see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosph...
    It's all a question of energy density. There is an electrostatic gradient in the atmosphere and the voltage difference is a function of distance between the surface and the point of measurement above the ground. Unfortunately, the power varies enormously from milliwatts per square meter to megawatts during a lightning strike.
    It is not likely that Rand was trying to identify a real technology in her novel so any relationship between Galts motor and reality is strictly serendipitous. That is probably why AS is commonly listed as science fiction. There is also some confusion caused by the comment in AS1 that the Casimir effect was involved. Casimir effect is a measurement of a quantum dynamics force which is very different from atmospheric electricity. The interesting thing is that her description of Galts motor has stimulated thinking by some very smart people.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 1 month ago
    It is scientific arrogance to declare that there are no new approaches to power. The recent puzzlement over the "emdrive" seems to prove that. The emdrive uses a specially shaped chamber into which is injected microwave energy, producing measurable thrust without expenditure of propellant. NASA has conducted experiments confirming the device seems to defy Newton's second law, and are fumbling around for an explanation, postulating some effect of "virtual particles" and zero point energy (which most establishment scientists say can't exist). The potential for revolutionary deep space transportation is drawing quite a bit of attention.

    So, if an "impossible" space propulsion system exists, why not a Galt engine? Traditional perpetual motion engines, with mechanical systems that would require the abolition of friction to move, let alone provide a surplus of motive power, are of course ridiculous. However, Rand's Galt engine wasn't one of those, and used "electrostatic" energy. Nikola Tesla may have inspired her thinking by his search for creating such an engine. Are there undiscovered energy sources that might make the Galt engine possible? We've only scratched the surface of the peculiarities of quantum mechanics, so we may yet discover the answer to that question.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 1 month ago
      Precisely - the Galt engine, at least as most imagine it, was not perpetual motion, but drew its energy from the very real electrical potential in the air around us, just as a hydroelectric turbine draws its energy from the potential energy existing between two bodies of water at different heights.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    I'm no scientist. Boy! Am I ever no scientist. Neither was Rand. The Galt motor was a product of her imagination. I don't know if she did any research about it or not. However, based on what she said it could do, I thought that about the only thing it could be, would be an advanced nuclear fusion device of some sort. I'm sure that the scientific type Gulchers will edify me.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
      She uses so many metaphors, analogies and other tools of the authors trade I never thought of the motor in mechanical terms but as the 'mind' of mankind. Still much of science derives from the suggestions of Science Fiction which derive from possibilities suggested - full circle here - by science itself.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 9 years, 1 month ago
    Anyone who is interested in understanding and measuring non-lightning atmospheric electricity should investigate the device called a field mill.

    A field mill is a rotating variable capacitor that alternately exposes and hides its vanes to atmospheric electricity. It converts the static field into an AC signal. You don't get much for power out if it, probably microwatts, but the signal tells you the electric condition of the atmosphere above it.

    The field mill is used by researchers studying thunderstorms and by rocket-launch crews planning to avoid dangerous lightning strikes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_m...

    Google search for the term reveals several plans for making one.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 1 month ago
    About 30 years ago, I remember reading in the
    paper (unless it was a local Richmond magazine)
    about somebody over in the Hanover area (I be-
    lieve) who claimed he had invented such a motor
    and was trying to get it patented. But I don't know if he succeeded or not.-- (Personally, I
    have wondered if it could be done by using
    green chlorophyll from plants and putting it in a
    machine).
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 1 month ago
    I researched electrostatic motors for my own "project page" at Conservapedia:

    http://www.conservapedia.com/John_Galt

    Look there for a section titled "The electrostatic motor."

    Electrostatic motors have been a staple of science fiction since Jules Verne ("Master of the World", "Robur the Conqueror", and "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea"). Nikola Tesla is widely reputed to have come close to building an electrostatic motor and even electrostatic power transmission. Unfortunately, his New York laboratory burned up. Think what patents he could have had if that had not happened.
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  • Posted by Riftsrunner 9 years, 1 month ago
    Rand's motor was a perpetual motion machine. Something that cannot exist in reality because of Newton's laws of thermodynamics. You don't ever get free energy. Even with our most efficient engines there is lost energy to heat conversion due to friction. In this video, the hexacopter is expending vastly more energy just getting the wire into position than the Corona Engine will ever produce. They would be better off attaching the blade motors to shafts to do work, than attempting to get the same work done by the Corona Engine.
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    • Posted by jsw225 9 years, 1 month ago
      Galt's motor is no more a perpetual motion machine than a solar panel is. Perpetual Motion Machines are things that are devoid from outside energy, but Galt's Motor uses energy in the atmosphere outside of the machine to make electrical energy just as a solar panel uses electromagnetic waves coming from somewhere else to create electricity.

      Now, whether this atmospheric energy is feasible or non-negligible is a completely different matter, but it is NOT a perpetual motion machine.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 1 month ago
      Yes, Rand/Galt's motor was NOT a 'perpetual motion machine' in any current (no pun intended) sense of the word. Energy was allegedly collected from differences in static electric potential between levels of the atmosphere. That part works, and the corona motor video appears to prove it does.

      As for burning more energy to lift the hexacopter than is produced by the motor, that's a red herring... all you need is a collector tied to a tall-enough tower and probably appropriately insulated from it! They might try using the copter to carry the collector up to the right elevation on a tall tower, land there and shut down.

      Few things are impossible. It's better to just say that 'we don't yet know how to do that.'

      Folks today have theorized several methods of achieving Faster-Than-Light travel... FTL. It's just sci-fi now, but may be worked out in another generation (sorry, accidental pun) or three.

      Personally, I believe that FTL drives and abundant, inexpensive energy are the two key elements critical to the survival of the human race.

      Some day, someone will find out if I was right.

      Cheers, and good luck to all researchers and developers!
      +af
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 1 month ago
      That argument could easily "prove" that nuclear power and other newly discovered energy sources are impossible. It's not impossible that we have already discovered all the energy sources we ever will, but I doubt it.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 1 month ago
    If electrostatic energy was of any benefit, airplanes would harness it instead of discharging it with static wicks on the wings and tail.
    Besides, decades ago I saw a show on TV that portended the future: Dilithium Crystals.
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  • Posted by JBW 9 years, 1 month ago
    Only when lightning is harnessed.
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    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 1 month ago
      True, that, but its unpredictability of occurrence (where and when it happens) and the difficulty of QUICKLY being able to collect and STORE the massive amounts of energy delivered are a bit beyond today's technology.

      I won't say 'never', of course, but don't expect it very soon. We've only just recently gotten to the point where battery energy density and weight have improved to the point where it's economically feasible to create a vehicle that can move it's own batteries down the road for an acceptable distance!

      But the learning curve is getting quicker.
      :)
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