Is Menger, father of Austrian Economics, compatible with Rand and Objectvisim?

Posted by dbhalling 9 years ago to Economics
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A number of people I respect have been saying that Menger was not like Von Mises and Hayek. I review Menger's book Principles of Economics to find out if he is somehow going to saving Austrian Economics from the irrationalism of Hayek and Mises.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years ago
    I enjoyed reading this Dale. I didn't know anything about Menger before this and your review told me a lot. (I won't be reading him now) Though to be honest, I find economic theory in general to be faux science looking for recognition and prediction through selected and manipulated data sets and nomenclature formulation, some what similar to tarot cards and palm reading, more fitting to the technocrats of progressivism/socialism than to laissez faire free marketers.

    I recently bought your book (Source of Economic Growth) but haven't read it yet. This review does give me an itch to get started on it. But I do love this one phrase of your's: " I also will not waste my time reading anymore books by Austrians. I know more about the underlying tenants of Austrian economics than many of its proponents, just as I know more about the underlying tenants of christianity than many of its proponents."

    Do you know where you're headed to with all of your study of economics?
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    • Posted by 9 years ago
      HI Zen,

      Thanks. I, like many of us in the hard sciences, have argued that economics and all social sciences are not real sciences. I got berated for this several times, but I have now traced the philosophical origins of all major schools of economics and they are not based on the philosophy of science. I suspect the same is true for all social sciences.

      I am laying out a science of economics that answers many of Rand's criticisms of economic science. (I talk about this explicitly in my Atlas Summit talk, but not in my book Source of Economic Growth). I think economics can be linked to biology, evolution, and to some extent entropy. I do not define economics as a social science and I show that "Robinson Crusoe" was engaged in economic activities and therefore Robinson Crusoe economics is valid. I intend to lay out more of my ideas in blog posts and eventually compare my "Intellectual Capitalism" to many of the main ideas in economics. Note however that no schools of economics take the human mind and technological change into account, so they don't even deal with the most important issues in economics.

      After reading Rand in college I tried to read some Austrians including Mises. Like you, I found all of them dull and not at all like Rand, despite saying they were for free markets. When one article started discussing the Protestant work ethic, I quit reading them.

      Unfortunately, they came back into my life in a big way when they started attacking the patent system. I noticed other problems in their reasoning and I have spent probably 6-8 years studying and arguing with the Austrians. Eventually, I realized that there must be some deeper philosophical issues to the Austrians that causes them to make these mistakes and ignore the empirical evidence.

      It is really not my goal to spend time tearing down other schools of economics. My goal is to put forward my ideas. Unfortunately too many objectivists and too many so-called free market organizations (Cato, Reason, Wall Street Journal editorial board) have been infected by this Austrian pseudo-science. In my opinion, we will not make progress toward free markets in politics until we can put forward a school of economics that is based on reason and science.
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  • Posted by tkstone 9 years ago
    I read your book "Source of Economic Growth" and found your aruements compelling and the first example of a book on economics that made sense and actually followed sound Logic. I have studied econ for years and have always come away lacking. I would have to agree with your assessment. I could never quite pity finger on my issues with the Austrians. While I gained much from reading their works it was not until my time in the Gulch that my thoughts gained clarity. Thanks for adding greatly to my learning. Do you have any authors you would recommend for further reading?
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