Peter Schiff's father passes away in prison

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"But my father was most known for his staunch opposition to the Federal Income Tax, for which the Federal Government labeled him a “tax protester.” But he had no objection to lawful, reasonable taxation. He was not an anarchist and believed that the state had an important, but limited role to play in market based economy. He opposed the Federal Government’s illegal and unconstitutional enforcement and collection of the income tax. His first book on this topic (he authored six books in total) How Anyone Can Stop Paying Income Taxes, published in 1982 became a New York Times best seller. His last, The Federal Mafia; How the Government Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully collects Income Taxes, the first of three additions published in 1992, became the only non-fiction, and second and last book to be banned in America. The only other book being Fanny Hill; Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure, banned for obscenity in 1821 and 1963."
SOURCE URL: http://www.schiffradio.com/death-of-a-patriot/


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  • Posted by ISank 9 years, 1 month ago
    I searched for his books online especially "The federal mafia" which is said to be banned but I saw it on Amazon for $192.00 so I kept looking and found it on his website as a pdf. Looks good so far, but what an incredibly sad story in this the so called land of the free.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
      Federal Mafia: How It Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income TaxesJan 1, 1999
      by Irwin Schiff
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      By Irwin Schiff The Federal Mafia How it Illegally Imposes and Unlawfully Collects Income Taxes (Revised Second...Dec 17, 1989
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      • Posted by ISank 9 years, 1 month ago
        Why pay that price when there's 4 new ones available for $192.20. What's the 2 requirements for demand? Ability and willingness to pay, well my wtp wasn't there so I got the pdf.

        Have fun! Enjoy the read. Sorry to hear this and other stories of such abuse.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
          Something to notice on the price of items. The new price is often less than the used price with no reason given such as autographed or in perfect condition with dust cover.

          Never mind the obvious sell for a penny and make the money out of inflated shipping and handling prices that's a late night tv shopping channel trick. But Wait there's more absolutely no extra charge call now and one extra and something else.

          BS it's all part of the price to begin with but it takes a 99.99 mind to think they've saved a penny. When they could have really saved themselves 100.00 dollars buy not buying at all.

          Plastic money, plastic items, plastic minds.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 1 month ago
    I once met with Irwin one-to-one in the 1980s in San Diego. We discussed his views. He was not a “tax protestor” he was an advocate of “the income tax is not fair.” I said he may be right under the law. But, I pointed out, being right does not matter. If the government wants you, the government will get you. All the great defense lawyers in the country will lose if the government wants you. I could not get him to budge from the position in which he believed the U.S. was a nation of laws and under the law he would win. Power, brute power, wins. DiLorenzo explains this well in his various books and articles. The fact he spent the last 13 years of his life in prison should be a lesson to all who oppose the government that they do so at their peril.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 1 month ago
    Well, how come he was in prison? Just because
    of what he wrote? Was he not allowed, under the
    Constitution, to write whatever he d---n well pleased? Or did he refuse to pay some tax or other? It is a pitiful, outrageous story. What we
    need to do, (but what won't happen soon) is to
    repeal Amendment #16.
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    • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 1 month ago
      There is a lot of history to show the 16th Amendment was not adopted in conformity with the requirements of the Constitution. The courts have held this to be "non-justiciable." Google "The Law That Never Was" for a lot of details.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    When I think of all those who should be in prison but aren't, Irwin Schiff's sentence seems over the top. The story of his medical neglect is not his alone, but is common to anyone relying on the government for medical attention including our veterans. Moving him away from where his family has access to him to be nearer better medical facilities and then not giving him access to them reeks of a subtle anti-Semitism.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
      Nothing subtle about it. When they want to play pretend their none too subtle witness that lady doctor from VA. Their attitude is . It's on order, therefore we provided care. Time for our paycheck.

      Or The VA exists how you get signed up is your problem no matter how many roadblocks therefore...where's our paycheck

      This would be a nice place to work if it weren't for all the veterans.Where's our payraise
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
        FH was easier to find info on than FM All the PDF's I did find were not working. Maybe too many people downloading. Might try again at midnight but it's still old news and the conclusion at the end is when you get your retirement from the government you pay income tax and the other reason is they have more guns.

        The Amendment Procedure complaint holds no water. The voluntary compliance statement is crap. What it boils down all the IRS could be taken into custody under the Patriot Act provisions for 'suspicion of' terrorism' No suspicion involved but it requires no proof,

        The real bottom line is the majority of the voting pubic doesn't care. 1913 was 102 years ago and no serious challenge to repeal has been put forward.

        Why? A bit over half of the citizens don't pay taxes and a good amount of them are on the dole.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 1 month ago
    FWIW, my last 1040 was filed about 25 years ago. At that time my fairly new business earnings were tiny, so negative cashflow resulted in having no money to pay taxes, nor even to pay my accountant for doing the 1040. Having had earlier battles with IRS liens and levies, I knew only too well the consequences of signing a 1040 and thereby waiving my rights under the 4th/5th Amendment, which signing triggered the problems with such. Thus , at that time, not filing was my only rational option. I got letters from the IRS for a year or two, unopened and unanswered, and finally they stopped, just "why" can't be known. but the next year things were little better, so I didn't file then or ever after. Now I am "retired" and living on my SS Surely the IRS knows where I am, but nothing happens.

    Without reading the entire history of Irwin Schiff and the case which put him in prison for the rest of his life, my take is that he resorted to filing his 1040's, perhaps including fraudulent information, by which that signature waived his rights. Over a long period Shiff expressed his view with numerous stances regarding the "legality" of the income tax, which were apparently judged as frivolous and irrelevant. Well, maybe, maybe not, but he spent the remainder of his life in prison. The right fight, but fighting the wrong battles.

    Many called Schiff a Patriot, as if that is somehow relevant, but to me that matters not one whit. What does matter is not SIGNING and sending in that 1040, thereby "confessing my sins" and allowing them to dig into any records I may have had.

    I have written much on the 1040 issue, if you wish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irwin_S... has a pretty good set of stuff on Irwin Schiff.

    Whatever, Rest in Peace, Irwin.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 9 years, 1 month ago
    I look at everything through a lens that passes only the light of freedom. I believe that the only value is one's own life and the ability to live it as one wishes. All the striving, the production, the accumulation is only to achieve the freedom to life. Social organization is useful only to the extent that it facilitates the greatest amount of freedom for each individual with minimal restriction on others. Schiff's interpretation of "law" could be flawed or not but no such "law" should exist. In trying to do so many things because they are "good" for us, we are paying too high a price in loss of freedom. This is even before the inevitable corruption that ensues with a concentration of power.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 1 month ago
    I have no problem with someone who decides, on moral grounds, that he's going to disobey the tax laws and either (1) accept the consequences, (2) flee, or (3) fight. But Schiff did none of those. He published and sold to others a completely bogus, fraudulent theory about what the law is.

    I do not regard him as a martyr. I regard him as a bad example from which we should all learn.

    Obey, if you think you should. Resist, if you feel you must. But don't lie to the public. It will only help our enemies destroy the liberty movement by providing them with examples of cheats and liars among us.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
      Agree entirely. I met Schiff several times many years ago and had at least one long conversation followed by a review of some of his Supreme Court legal filings. His arguments were beyond bogus and very misleading to anyone who relied upon them. Taxation is theft and can be opposed on a number of grounds, but Schiff's were not among them.
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