Dr. Ben: freeze the debt

Posted by johnpe1 9 years ago to Politics
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this would be a start in the right direction, yes?. -- j
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  • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
    The first step is to accept there is a problem....
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    • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years ago
      I remember Nazi Pelosi saying when she was Speaker of the House that government spending can't be decreased, not even by a penny.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
        Yeah, I remember that, I'm a government contractor, and trust me... yes it could...

        I have a few observations after working around government for a few years (at state, local, federal, and education levels).

        - Local government is generally the most efficient, but that definitely isn't saying much. They have a lot of incompetence, but at least not many of them.

        - Police/Schools are probably the worst of the local govie stuff... they always proclaim being broke, but its mostly because their pension and medical costs are 80% of their non-payroll spending. Again... the first step to a cure is understanding the problem. I also think that govie-lifetime workers are just generally not very bright or dynamic people, so they 'guard' those pensions with their bodies practically. If they had to self-invest and self-manage their retirement, they would die in a $300 / month senior trailer park somewhere.

        - Federal employees don't believe they can possibly ever make a mistake... if someone does, its never their fault, the mistake only happened because they were 'understaffed' - so no one loses their job, they just hire more people. If you have 10 people for a job that one person can do, it's unlikely you will make a mistake (that is actually the logic). I have a lot of knowledge of one particular organization with 2300 feds that could really do their job with about 600... and only because a lot of the work is heavy-industrial maintenance in remote aeras and it actually does require a lot of people to do safely. 200 are probably where the rubber meets the road, and at least 400 of the fluff. The rest really just wander around looking for something to do all day and getting paid as a GS12+ to do it (GS15's make around $130k+/- a year... we have a lot of those)...

        - The military would probably be efficient if you took the civilian leadership and bureaucracy out of it.

        - As sad as it is, the procurement at the government contracting level is usually pretty fair, I work in bid/proposal/presentations/wins... an realistically, I only see graft or corruption in maybe 20% of the business we go after, albeit it is in technology. One glance at something like a state highway department website with contracting postings and everything is over a million dollars.. even a stoplight in BFE... you have to kind of wonder about that stuff though...

        - Most of the corruption I have observed is in the federal/state/local (internal) employee hiring process.. most of those panel interviews tend to be a bit of a joke and they always hire the one they wanted before they put out the job posting. If someone scores higher (like a disabled Vet just back from Iraq or something), they may actually close the job posting and put it out again and repeat that until the pool only includes dumb-f*cks plus the one they want. As contractors, its been my observation we tend to always work for the more 'honest' government managers and they like contracting better because they get people to do the work, and can fire them with the wave of a hand instead of a 3 year union-battle that will be pointless in the end. Believe it or not, contracting-out seems to be far cheaper at every try whenever you weigh all the options..

        A lot of them want to do the right thing, their hands are usually tied though by legislated regulations that came from politicians that are absolutely corrupt at every level. I really think its beyond any one person or political party to fix though, we probably need to junk all of it and start over.
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    • Posted by $ Suzanne43 9 years ago
      Next step...stop the baseline budgeting policy.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
        California actually went to zero-dollar budgeting last year, agencies have to propose and defend every dollar...rarely leads to actual 'cut' of people, but gets harder to expand at least.

        The problem isn't so much the 'need' for services, the issue is that every government manager since the beginning of time measures up their own 'x' to other govie managers by how many people they manage... so creating new hires is more about bragging rights than legitimate need .
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years ago
    "I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers to be feared. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. If we run into such debts, we must be taxed in our meat and drink, in our necessities and in our comforts, in our labor and in our amusements. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labor of the people, under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy."
    - Thomas Jefferson
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years ago
    The former senator from Oklahoma, Tom Coburn, had his staff document the recommendations of the government agencies' own Inspectors General for reducing fraud, waste, abuse, and duplication. The result was that spending could have been reduced by over nine trillion dollars over a ten year span if those recommendations had been followed.

    There are multiple pathways to eliminate the deficit and reduce the debt. What is lacking is the courage among the elected elite to bear the slings and arrows of the media and the lobbyers. Crony politics, with marriages made in hell of corporations and special interest groups pressuring elected officials to the point of threats to ruin them publicly, and sometimes even threatening their lives demand a special kind of courage to do the right thing.

    I do hope that if elected, Dr. Ben Carson doesn't become the next President to be assassinated.
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    • Posted by 9 years ago
      remind you of the fates of Madison, Adams, Jefferson,
      Hamilton and the rest? . that's the kind of courage which
      it took to build this country, and it takes the same to sustain it. -- j
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  • Posted by Zero 9 years ago
    He just got my vote. Finally someone who gets it.
    I don't care what else he stands for - I'll vote for him just for this one issue.
    He is exactly right. The National Debt is the greatest threat, the ONLY Mortal Threat, our country faces.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
      Actually that was already done a month or so ago by the US Treasury. Speed Bump. Hasn't worked in thirty years. What's changed? Nothing.
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      • Posted by Zero 9 years ago
        I'm confused. The Treasury can freeze the debt?
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
          No and you are right. The can and did put the brakes on spending when the debt ceiling is reached which is a form of freeze and they cannot spend $$ not available from income or borrowing. this new liquid freeze put in place by congress however is much less of a freeze than the rules the Treasury has to follow. it's still a speed bump and now instead of future generations or retirees it's going to hit every one getting a COLA adjustment so it's in your face public time.

          Thing of it is if they can do zero they can do minus adjustments so it aint over by a looooonnnngggg shot.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
            Let me rephrase some of that due to newly breaking story in http://military.com

            http://www.military.com/daily-news/20...

            Previously nothing essential in government shut down. The last spat in Oct. saw 250,000 civilians sent home for one week in the Military. The new commentt from the Treasury Department is there will be no money to pay active duty, reserve, guard, retirees never mind the civilian employees and that is not limited to Department of Defense. All retirees were bluntly mentioned.

            The military doesn't shut down paid or not. Think of it. Government is shutting down. The unpaid military isn't shutting down the left wing of the left is blaming the right wing of the left and no one is thinking about a simple solution... QUIT OVERSPENDING BEYOND YOUR MEANS! That means no more dinner dates to Paris President Dimwit.

            No more Davis Bacon funding.

            No more paying Congress

            No more funding non essential departments and and agencies such as National Endowment For The Arts and Al Bore's personnel gravy train.

            But think of it this way. While many are not getting paid including the military it's still the fully armed military. Hey guys the paymasters office is right over there.....and just beyond that.....

            You gonna vote for these arrogant dimwits again??? too stupid to put their own security forces first and even more stupidly putting them last? Retirees by the way means Social Security not just military pay.

            http://Military.com todays issue is the source.

            http://www.military.com/daily-news/20...

            So it's either a double down and call scare tactic using the military and all retirees as pawns .....or it's the first time the government has gotten its ass in the crack and the climbing ropes don't reach quite far enough anymore.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years ago
    The government would have to just not deficit spend PERIOD. Right now they spend, and then 'we' have to increase the debt or we default.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 9 years ago
    I think that the US has poisoned itself beyond recovery with debt and the lie that we call money. Any attempt to reverse the direction will cause so much pain and suffering that there will be a revolt with demands to return to the path of slow death.
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    • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years ago
      Nothing is beyond recovery when it comes to the nation, unless its people lose sight of who and what they are supposed to be in this world. I contend this is what has been engineered, this perfect storm, to make Americans quit and seek leadership elsewhere. O is the plant that has been groomed and paid to really pushed the envelope but he's had more subtle help before him.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 9 years ago
        I could be persuaded that we could return, or even surpass, our great position in the world but I believe that we have been educated into blindness. O may be one of the closers but the heavy lifting has been going on for more than a century. With the instant spread of ideas today, our system could take over the world just by our good example if government stepped out of the way and allowed free-market capitalism full reign. Debt, poverty and divisiveness among groups can be overcome the outcome from the resulting innovation, production and economic growth that would be unleashed. Those in control do not want this because power will shift to people of merit instead of influence.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
    Now that there is once again a limit, the answer is simply to refuse to raise it, ever again. No matter what is offered in return.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years ago
    Balanced Budget Amendment as I have been thinking about it:
    1. Caps government spending at 15% of GDP, except in time of war declared by Congress. (That may turn Dimocrats into the biggest warmongers since Genghis Khan.)
    2. Supermajority to raise taxes, simple majority to cut taxes.
    3. Include timetable to pay off the National Debt.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
    This is just another BS promise with no details and no penalty for lying ...

    The devil is in the details.
    HOW will he do it?
    There are lots of possibilities but the likelyhood of doing something OBJECTIVIST is zero.
    This is one candidate who says that gun laws are needed.
    He might 'solve' this by RAISING TAXES just as GHW Bush did.
    Why doesn't anyone demand details from all the candidates N O W??
    Why doesn't anyone demand that candidates sign a binding contract that they will step down from the offoce if they don't do as promised? ALL CANDIDATES should e REQUIRED to act as they promised. There are NO excuses.
    DAMMIT PEOPLE! Are you going to accept this bullshit and consent to serfdom by these thieves forever?
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years ago
      "DAMMIT PEOPLE! Are you going to accept this bullshit and consent to serfdom by these thieves forever?"
      Of course they will do exactly that, just as they have since the beginnings of history. There is little to nothing they are "allowed" to do about it, as they cannot be bothered with thinking about resistance, for fear that their Right to Life would disappear.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
      The only reasonable way to solve it is to cut entitlements. But there is also becoming basically no choice in that, we're about 7-10 years from when the cost of entitlements and interest on the debt exceeds total government revenues (not including operating the government itself - which is actually a pretty small percentage compared to Medicare/Social Security). We just need to do away with that junk, if people didn't plan ahead, they can move up to Alaska and learn to live off the land or something.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 9 years ago
      The only reasonable way to solve it is to cut entitlements. But there is also becoming basically no choice in that, we're about 7-10 years from when the cost of entitlements and interest on the debt exceeds total government revenues (not including operating the government itself - which is actually a pretty small percentage compared to Medicare/Social Security). We just need to do away with that junk, if people didn't plan ahead, they can move up to Alaska and learn to live off the land or something.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years ago
    "The U.S. House at any point could have, as WND CEO and co-founder Joseph Farah pointed out in his “No More Red Ink” campaign in recent years, simply by not authorizing spending.
    The president also can do the same by not signing a bill, even if it was approved by Congress."
    Is this true? If the president doesn't sign a bill, doesn't it become law automatically unless the president vetoes it? If we had a hardcore deficit-hawk president, it would be interesting to see how far that president would go before Congress gathered a supermajority to keep at least some borrowing going.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago
      It's a pocket veto. is part of the Pocket Veto Clause. If the President refuses to approve or return the bill within ten days (not including Sunday), the bill automatically becomes law. If, in the interim, Congress has adjourned, the bill dies and the legislation must be reintroduced and passed again when Congress reconvenes. Later termed by Andrew Jackson the "Pocket Veto," the clause has been the subject of much controversy between the President and the Congress.

      There is an ambiguity as to which kinds of adjournments the clause covers: (1) sine die adjournments when a Congress comes to an end, and a newly elected Congress must convene; (2) intersession adjournments between the two sessions of the same Congress; and (3) intrasession adjournments when Congress takes a break within a session. There is virtually unanimous agreement that the President may pocket veto a bill when Congress adjourns sine die. Although some Members of Congress have disputed the validity of intersession and intrasession pocket vetoes, the Congress as a whole has acquiesced in these kinds of presidential pocket vetoes during such adjournments.
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    • Posted by 9 years ago
      I'm not sure, but I think that the bill does become law
      unless the pres vetoes. . we just have people in D.C.
      who are determined to buy votes, for their power over us. -- j
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