Galt's Gulch

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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 9 years, 2 months ago
    I find the idea fscinating. As mentioned it is not the best location. A least it has access to the river. Even though I have registered on the sight, I would definitely need more information before even visiting.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 2 months ago
      There is almost nothing there at this point. I've applied for citizenship and next would be a passport which hopefully will allow me to get there... and from which I would never return! It's a CAUSE! Thank goodness that Vit can communicate in English, or I would be lost in the fog!

      Found much more at
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Gornj...

      It gives one a much better concept of the surroundings; it's
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    I haven't followed it since it was in the news a while back, but I wouldn't rule it out on account of hostile neighbors with claims on their land. If the Gulch citizens are not doing anything that bothers other nation states, they may be able to fly under the radar. Once they start building wealth, it has to be of the type that is hard to loot. It's easy to go steal someone's money, but it's harder to make someone at gunpoint to create something like a way to match drugs to individuals' genes. It will still be a tricky game. I'm hoping many of these crop up, and even if they get looted, some of them will succeed and be a model for reforms in the macro-nations.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 2 months ago
      Yeah, but do we even know who "owns" the land (evidenced by deed)? I'm kinda assuming that Vit holds the deed, and somehow / somewhere it is "recorded". Perhaps Serbia or Croatia does hold "claim" even without a deed, but thus far we know little to nothing.

      So here we go again, wondering about "The Law".
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
        I've heard the land is undeveloped and difficult to access. Any similar piece of land in rural Serbia or Croatia wouldn't be worth much. All the value of this land is in the possibilty it won't be part of a traditional nation state. If more people go there and provide some legitmacy to it as a libertarian zone, it will be worth more, and this will underscore how the problem of nation states. I suspect this is part of the motivation for arresting people who try to go there.
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        • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 2 months ago
          Lots of images at https://www.google.com/search?q=Gornj...

          From the little we can tell, access by boat via the Danube River seems okay. There's perhaps an (undeveloped but feasibile landing strip. Beyond that, it's merely vacant land with one old house at this time, but from the images there is quite a lot of planning in progress. A typical "nation-state" is not at all intended; it's to be as nearly ungoverned as one might imagined. But yes, Liberland must do most everything from scratch. I'd call it a clean slate, and perhaps could become an actual Galt's Gulch in this planet covered with "states".
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 2 months ago
    Watch Jericho on Netflix to see how this might work. Local neighbors would look at the success of Liberland and WANT IT. How could it be defended in practice?
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    Simple answer: no. Neither Croatia nor Serbia acknowledge the founder's claims to the mythical state. New Utopia http://www.new-utopia.com/ which is a dormant idea after the death of its concept creator, is more credible, since the shoal on which it would be built isn't part of sovereign country. Now that the would-be founders aren't operating, a new group could execute the idea by making deals with the nearby countries that have commercial maritime rights, which I think would be less painful.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 2 months ago
    It could, so long as it allows the full "right of the people to keep and bear arms," and provides for organizing, recruiting, training, and disciplining a militia.
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    • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years, 2 months ago
      As taxes are to be voluntary, we can expect that the residents, or at least some of them, would contribute to form and maintain some sort of "militia", which those folks would own and run. I would hope that would be in the self-defense category, e.g. something like Switzerland, where there is UMT (Uniform Military Training), in which every (male) citizen must participate, and each/all take their weapons home for self-defense and whatever more. That has served to keep Switzerland out of both World Wars without being attacked.

      As Liberland is to be a voluntary society, UMT doesn't fit that scenario, tho', but it is easy to envision private entities formed and a goodly number of members in such venture.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 2 months ago
    This is a great opportunity for the vice president to show he is a force to be reckoned with and much better than Hillary as POTUS. A simple airdrop of US troops and tanks and engineers, and the 51st state is born, and what an embarrassment to Putin!
    God knows Serbia and Croatia need US to keep them from killing each other!
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