Chefs

Posted by Chef 9 years, 2 months ago to Culture
43 comments | Share | Best of... | Flag

Is my profession worthless in the gulch. I create things of value and probably put in more effort per dollar than anyone but is it value for value and a commodity to me or does it simply serve decadence. I always thought it was the most useful skill as I can fishmonger and butcher but shouldn't everyone be able to prepare their own food making me excess x


Add Comment

FORMATTING HELP

All Comments Hide marked as read Mark all as read

  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 2 months ago
    It is completely in error, and very dangerous, to think that freedom equates to subsistence-level-autonomy. There are abundant studies that show that there is a huge value in specialization and trade. The affluence of our entire technological civilization depends on this, and the Gulch is no exception.

    If we require, or even imagine, a Gulch in which everyone grows their own corn and hunts their own deer we are doomed to shed the technology we have gained over the last 5000 years. We desperately need chefs, gardeners, and mechanics. We need professional farmers and ranchers. We need programmers and engineers and doctors.

    What we do not need is to carry the burden of bureaucracy and the weight of the willingly unproductive on our backs whilst we are trying to run briskly into the future.

    If I have not made it clear enough: WE NEED CHEFS!

    Jan
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 2 months ago
    "but shouldn't everyone be able to prepare their own food, making me excess"
    1. Why do you think everyone should be able to and want to make their own food?
    2. Regarding "excess", there's nothing wrong IMHO with excess if that means more than we need. In pre-industrial times, we knew we needed to produce more food, clothing, and shelter. Now we have more than enough of those. Most of the economy is geared toward things in "excess" of what we "need", which IMHO is a good thing.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
    I was raised in the delicatessen/restaurant biz and I can slice a mean corned beef. My coleslaw and potato salad cannot be topped. If you would like a cold-cuts deli tray, I could make one you'd be talking about for a while. However, if you want the kind of a meal that can be put together by a well trained chef, you'd be disappointed if you hired me. You'd also find me wanting as a finished carpenter, a house painter or a car mechanic. I know how you do all those things, but you'd just need to hire someone to do them right, because knowing how to do a thing and actually doing a thing well, are quite different from one another.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
      well said, sir!!! . there is art in every endeavor. -- j
      .
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
        And it is always amazing how a talented person in any endeavor makes the thing you've been struggling with look as easy and as smooth as an artist painting a still life.
        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
          like Chet Atkins playing so "effortlessly" or Vladimir Horowitz
          putting Rachmaninoff to shame, on his own work -- it's
          amazingly easy, it seems. . May The Chef Be Praised!!! -- j
          .
          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
          • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
            Amen.
            Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
            • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
              check this out, if you have the time -- Horowitz:::

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PKLL...

              -- j
              .
              Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                Horowitz's father-in-law was Toscanini.
                You reminded me of an event in my life that I think you'll appreciate. When I was a student at Wayne University in Detroit, it was about a mile down the street from the Masonic Temple Auditorium which was where the Detroit Symphony performed as well as guest orchestras, ballet companies, and other cultural events. I had a job ushering there one weekend per month. I didn't get paid but got to see & hear all the great performances that happened on my weekend. Toscanini and the NBC Orchestra was going to perform there and I mentioned to my English Prof. who was a young guy, that I could probably sneak in to the rehearsal since everyone knew me and no one would stop me. Toscanini was known never to allow anyone into his rehearsals. That never stopped me, either. So picture this: My Prof. and I crawling down the carpeted aisle of the plush auditorium, and squeezing in to the raised seats so only our eyes and top of heads were visible in the darkened auditorium. They were rehearsing Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov. I never realized that Toscanini was so small. He was barely 5 feet tall and he wielded a baton almost as big as himself. The trumpet player missed his entrance. Mr. T. glared at him and said, "Again." The trumpet missed again. T is barely controlling his fury. "Again." By this time the trumpet player must have been flustered and he missed the note. Toscanini exploded. Standing on his tip-toes, he pointed the baton at the poor trumpeter and shouted, "If those valves were on fire, wouldn't piss on them!" Of course, me and my friend burst out laughing. Toscanini turned and looked into the auditorium. I swear lightning was flashing from his eyes. "Out! Out!" he shouted. and we sheepishly exited as quickly as we could without running.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                  now that's a good story! . H loved Wanda thoroughly
                  and must have had some amazing stories of his own --
                  and he was about 1 1/2 feet taller than Toscanini, it appears.

                  your story reminds me of a general foreman in our big
                  machine shop at the manhattan project k-25 plant who,
                  on a morning when it had snowed heavily, remarked,
                  "They ain't enough people here to piss out a match."

                  he was a card. -- j
                  .
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                    Another story that yours reminded me of. The world series of 1945. I believe it was St. Louis & Detroit. Both teams were decimated with most of the good players in the military. After looking over the rosters, a sports commentator said, "I don't think either side can win." -- told by Dave Diles
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                      that's good! . can't top it. . I'll go listen to some Rubinstein. -- j

                      this is delicious::: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QLi...
                      -- R with Reiner --

                      Rubinstein is definitely gentler with the piano than H, but his phrasing
                      and accuracy is wonderful. . I wish that I could find a Horowitz recording
                      of Rachmaninoff's pc2 to compare, side-by-side. . I have another
                      rendition . . . . . where;;; who??? . it is spicier.
                      .
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                        Those old guys could teach the young up & comers a few things. Another great was Schnable. (Can't remember first name.) All his recordings were pre-hi-fi. I had recordings of his in 78 rpm in pure shellac. They didn't survive. Here's a Rubenstein story: A young violinist was attending a Rubenstein concert with two of his pianist friends. I believe the violinist might have been Mischa Elman. The young pianists were there to criticize Rubenstein for his "overly" careful exposition. After the 1st movement of the concerto one of them said, "That's terrible." Elman smiled and said, "Only for pianists."
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                          "and accuracy ARE wonderful." . computer error.

                          pianists study style and fingering and speed and a zillion other things
                          which blend into "rendition" for the rest of us -- another great
                          story, sir!!! -- j
                          .
                          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
              • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                Vlad the piano impaler.
                Horowitz was superb. 2nd only to Artur Rubenstein, but I'm in pretty rarefied atmosphere and which performer is a better performer is up for grabs.
                Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                  oh, sir, I prefer Horowitz by a large margin -- he made the
                  piano his instrument of passion, his tool of instruction and
                  destruction -- the potential in the machine came out in its full glory!!!

                  Rubinstein, in comparison, was a mild-mannered piano servant
                  who entertained with plinks and plucks ... he never made the thing
                  work for him, it seemed to me. . In My Humble Opinion. -- j
                  .
                  Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                    OK.
                    I won't try to compare them, but Rubenstein's phrasing and exposition are a revelation, that was adopted by many who came after him. However, I am not one to judge. It's like trying to compare Mozart and Beethoven, Both great, but very different.
                    Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                      my identification with Richard Halley hung me up, I guess,
                      and I thought that -- given the stressful times in AS -- that
                      Horowitz' drive to totally dominate the piano and wring
                      the full range of legitimate sounds from it was that of
                      a Richard Halley-type performer. . projection, I know --
                      totally my fault. -- j
                      .
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                        Not at all. There have been some since, as great as Horowitz, but certainly, none better. Most people have no idea how hard those people work to attain their mastery. I knew a fellow who wanted to be a concert pianist, and he would practice until his hands swelled up and he had to soak them in salt water. With all that, he became very good, but not great. That's where the natural talent comes in. Which is why A.R.'s "Tabula Raza" doesn't always work.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                          Yes! . she might have had the talent to start with a background in
                          Russian and make a mastery of English, but she was a rare one
                          in that and a few other regards, I believe. . I bought a steel
                          guitar, having always loved perfect pitch and the "bell" sound
                          of a well-played steel. . hard to move into artistry on one of those,
                          I am here to tell you!!! -- j
                          .
                          Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
                      I will go back and listen to R some more, thinking of your points here.
                      like Rand, though, I fell for H when I first encountered him
                      and have never strayed. -- j
                      .
                      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
                      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 2 months ago
                        Hey -- if you love a great pianist, you can't do better than big H. I always wished to be at certain special concerts like Horowitz playing as Toscanini conducted. I did get one opportunity that I cherished which was a rendition of Shostakovich's 5th symphony conducted by his son. I love that kind of stuff. Also, I played with a summer concert orchestra that did Shostakovich's 5th so I knew every note by heart.
                        Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by 9 years, 2 months ago
    Thank you kind sir.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Comment hidden by post owner or admin, or due to low comment or member score. View Comment
    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 2 months ago
      I'm for potlucks and the like. I get the best of each cooks and each chef's offerings and a built in excuse when the plate is filled. I also get good company and good conversation.
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 2 months ago
      You're only 'excess' if there's no one in the free market willing to buy your services.
      If you were one of a thousand choices of "chef" in the Gulch, you'd have to be pretty damned good to stay in business... but the odds of having that many tough competitors is probably pretty slim.

      Lately, as an aging retiree, I look at my wife's and my preferences for food and I see a Baby Boomer shift possible... to Easy-To-Prepare simple meals and Good Restaurants for great Dining Out.
      Undoubtedly, many Gulchers would enjoy preparing their own meals... we've got several family friends who are wonderful at that! But our grocery store purchases have come to include a LOT more frozen veggies, and NOT the Family-Sized bags, either... even good leftovers get boring after a while :) .

      So we'll let you know whether you're 'excess' or not... :)
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 2 months ago
    While I share Robert Heinlein's view that "specialization is for insects," I'd much rather enjoy a dish prepared by an expert in culinary skill than have to prepare and eat my own meals. I think I might come closer to uselessness than you, for sure.

    I'm an engineer, but not the craftsman sort. When I lay hands on tools, the effort can be catastrophic, worthy of Tim the Tool Man. My "skill," such as it is, is having an instinctive insight into whether or not a design is going to work properly, and advising how to make it work as intended. I've been told I think of engineering more like an artist than a "real" engineer, since I don't pay attention to the math, focusing on principles and the entire system, rather than concentrating on details. Would there be a place in the day to day activities of the Gulch for someone like me?

    My only saving grace is that I'm a pretty good shot.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 2 months ago
      Yep, and that's me, too...

      One of my co-workers once put it this way...

      Alan, you're great at deciding "which hill to take," and I'm great at "taking the hill you point to.... but I HATE deciding Which Hill To Take and you're lousy at Taking A Hill."

      He was spot on... we'd have been a wonderful team if our company and organization could have let us operate that way. They couldn't.

      He quit and went elsewhere. I hung on for a while, then retired.

      Life in The Big City...
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Eyecu2 9 years, 2 months ago
    Real simple a good cook is always needed and a true Chef is the king of cooks. Not everyone is inclined to being able to make good food. Your skills are VERY valuable.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 2 months ago
    I view fine cooking as an art form that provides immediate gratification. I also respect anyone that has worked to perfect their skills especially when those skills are of value to others. Fine dining is one of the perks of being a civilized person.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by Ibecame 9 years, 2 months ago
    Assuming you truly are a "Chef" and not just a Cook you do have value for any Gulch. Ayn chose an "Actress" to be a member of the Gulch, because she was a true artist, not someone that reads lines. Someone that would truly create exceptional event of art.
    "Chefs" don't just cook food. Not the real ones. They create a "Culinary Event" that in and of it self is a true work of art.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 2 months ago
    As a chef you probably go to other restaurants and order familiar as well as new dishes. If the food is not good do you go back? probably not. However if it is good you will go back. It was the chef that made the good food so chefs do have value. Be proud of what you do.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by minorwork 9 years, 2 months ago
    A guy that can cook for 50 faster and better than I can cook for myself is a man that frees me to pursue the work in which I excel. Love you man.
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 2 months ago
    I have a friend who is lucky enough to have a personal chef.
    this personal chef occasionally treats myself and my wife
    to extraordinary culinary treats. . what a value this is,
    and decadence is well deserved!!! -- j
    .
    Reply | Mark as read | Best of... | Permalink  
    • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 2 months ago
      One of our nearby neighbors invited me and my wife "over for dinner" some years ago.

      Five distinct courses, each one preceded by a unique wine selection and followed by a unique 'palate-cleansing interlude.'

      Absolutely fantastic, and we're very lucky we could even Walk Home after all that wine!

      There is No Way we could have repaid them in kind, although later, when we did have them over to our house, I discovered that of the four of us, three of us self-identified as "libertarian."

      That was a fine dessert, right there!
      Reply | Mark as read | Parent | Best of... | Permalink  

FORMATTING HELP

  • Comment hidden. Undo