Atlas Shrugged, Part 2 Chapter 7: The Moratorium On Brains
Summary: Eddie Willers told John Galt where Dagny was staying. Rearden, walking home, was accosted by Ragnar Danneskjöld, who returned some of Rearden’s looted money in the form of a gold bar, and spoke of Robin Hood. Kip Chalmers, campaigning for California legislature, was riding the Comet with some friends when it broke down in Colorado on his way from Washington to San Francisco. They tried pulling it through the Taggart Tunnel, but crashed into the Army Freight Special, after Rand summarized the views of 16 passengers.
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Atlas Shrugged was written by Ayn Rand in 1957.
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Atlas Shrugged was written by Ayn Rand in 1957.
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“What man?”
“Robin Hood.”
Rearden looked at him blankly, not understanding.
“He was the man who robbed the rich and gave to the poor. Well, I’m the man who robs the poor and gives to the rich – or, to be exact, the man who robs the thieving poor and gives back to the productive rich.”
You found Ragnar contemptible for taking back that which the 'entitled poor' had stolen from producers? How consistent, to the theme of the novel, is the idea that one of the heroes is a thief that rationalizes he's a good guy while targeting poor people? Could you be missing something?
I like this interpretation.
"They believe in the use of force to take what they want? He used force and the mind, and did it better."
This seems like the tu quoque argument. To me he came off this way, as a thief using tu quoque has his rationalization. Conscious1982 had a good point, though, that maybe stealing from the "poor" meant those specific people behind the theft, not just people with low wealth or income. In this case, he's using force in self-defense.
In P3C2, Ragnar admits that Galt and Akston disagree with his approach because it was too risky, though Galt said that Ragnar was morally justified. I suspect that even Ayn Rand was torn on this point, and not necessarily holding Ragnar up as an example for others to emulate. I think it was more about her using Ragnar to make a literary point, just another way to highlight the absurd logical conclusion of the Code of Death. As Ragnar says in this same conversation: "I am merely complying with the system which my fellow men have established. If they believe that force is the proper means to deal with one another, I am giving them what they ask for."
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You quote Ragnar saying, "I am giving them what they ask for." I would have told him to please stop doing that.
It occurs to me that this is the point of the book. Dagny was determined to ignore the politics and just get things done. Ragnar was at the other end of the radicalization spectrum. Maybe Dagny and Ragnar could have talked about this topic, but it would have been academic if the gov't had been less intrusive. They started using force, which necessitatest the discussion "how doe we deal with a group initiating force.".
“You chose to live by means of force, like the rest of them.”
“Yes – openly. Honestly, if you will…Why should you be surprised, Mr. Rearden? I am merely complying with the system which my fellow men have established. If they believe that force is the proper means to deal with one another, I am giving them what they ask for.”