Stuck (and frustrated) again reading The Fountainhead
Good evening. I need help. I desperately want to finish The Fountainhead, but once again I've hit the same point in the novel and can't get any farther.
Dominique Francon has just toured the Enright House, and in her subsequent article she suggests that the world would be better off if the house was destroyed in an air raid.
For the third time, I've gotten so mad at Howard Roark that I cannot keep reading. Roark knows that Dominique is doing everything she can to ruin him, yet he continues to sleep with her, and considering she knows so much about the commissions he's trying to get, I have to assume that he tells her about the ones he wants. With that knowledge, she dates disgusting men and plays nice with obnoxious women, just to sway them away from Roark and towards Peter Keating.
Not only is Roark willingly (and gladly) walking in front of the firing squad, he's also bought the bullets, he's loaded the rifles, and he's putting on his own damned blindfold. He might as well be pulling the trigger as well.
I'd give my (insert body part here) to see Peter Keating and his mother and Ellsworth Toohey and all the rest staked to the ground and eaten by fire ants. But I have an idea what happens in the second half of the book, since I did some research about it before getting it, so I know that particular wish won't come true.
But I'm looking for a nudge to help me clear this hurdle, as it has tripped me up three times in three attempts. I just can't get past what Roark is doing to himself, his career, his life.
Help!
Dominique Francon has just toured the Enright House, and in her subsequent article she suggests that the world would be better off if the house was destroyed in an air raid.
For the third time, I've gotten so mad at Howard Roark that I cannot keep reading. Roark knows that Dominique is doing everything she can to ruin him, yet he continues to sleep with her, and considering she knows so much about the commissions he's trying to get, I have to assume that he tells her about the ones he wants. With that knowledge, she dates disgusting men and plays nice with obnoxious women, just to sway them away from Roark and towards Peter Keating.
Not only is Roark willingly (and gladly) walking in front of the firing squad, he's also bought the bullets, he's loaded the rifles, and he's putting on his own damned blindfold. He might as well be pulling the trigger as well.
I'd give my (insert body part here) to see Peter Keating and his mother and Ellsworth Toohey and all the rest staked to the ground and eaten by fire ants. But I have an idea what happens in the second half of the book, since I did some research about it before getting it, so I know that particular wish won't come true.
But I'm looking for a nudge to help me clear this hurdle, as it has tripped me up three times in three attempts. I just can't get past what Roark is doing to himself, his career, his life.
Help!
Pseudo-sabotage. Dominique believes the world does not deserve Howard Roark's work. She never thought a man like Roark could exist, but there he is in all his glory. Dominique tries to protect Roark, and his work, by keeping him and it from the second handers.
RE: " Roark knows that Dominique is doing everything she can to ruin him, yet he continues to sleep with her"
It might not be obvious, but Roark knows that Dominique gets him and loves him the way a man should be loved.
If she really doesn't think the world deserves Roark's work, why wouldn't she work to make the world worthy of it?
Why would she protect (I see ruin) Roark by preventing him from sharing his genius with the world?
Why wouldn't she train her guns on Toohey instead, since destroying Roark seems to be his primary goal? Or is Toohey also trying to protect Roark by attempting to destroy him?
I'll try and put your ideas against how I "see" Roark's actions. Like I said, I really do want to read this in its entirety.
Thanks for the ideas.
Dominique too has not yet reached her full potential. She is a woman who has been in search of the ideal man her entire life, only to come up short at every turn. She is a beaten-down, disappointed, shell of a woman.
When she comes to know of Roark, her reaction is one of "OMG!!! HOLY SHIT!!! THERE HE IS!!! WAIT!!! I NEED TO HIDE HIM BEFORE THE WORLD DESTROYS HIM TOO!!! QUICK, INTO THE CLOSET WITH YOU!!! Nothing to see here... move along." It's a knee-jerk panic reaction - because she doesn't realize Roark is Superman. She wants to hide him before the second-handers get a hold of him and turn him into Steven Mallory (not sure if you've met him yet in the novel). She wants to preserve Roark's greatness by never allowing it to enter that world to begin with.
She's fine to just let the world be what's it's become. She sees fighting with it as a lost cause.
To quote Ayn Rand: "Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conquered by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone."
EDIT: a sentence for clarity.
Thanks for the comments. I really appreciate them.
Rainman; What is coming up is too good to miss. Ayn Rand runs an incredible balance of rationality in a senseless world, of personal morality and conviction and the price tags and rewards. And the court room defense - magnificent eloquence.
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and simultaneously know that his power will prevail !!! -- j
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With Gail Wynand I thought his motivation was fear of non-second-handers. Wynand is on top of the world of the second-handers. The existence of intelligent non-second-handers makes him uneasy. So he tries to pay Roark to be mediocre and threatens to try to ruin him if he expresses his genius.
Unlike Toohey, who is a black hole bent on destroying individual human achievement, Wynand admires achievement. Wynand is on the boundary between being the master of the second-handers and not caring about them. Roark truly doesn't care about them.
I imagined Dominique had similar motivations to Wynand's, but you're suggesting something different. Her behavior toward him in public may have be an extension of their little kink where after their dates she goads him into ravishing her. Maybe her undermining him doesn't matter because she and Roark don't really take seriously the world of public opinion and just can't get into vanilla art in which he creates expected art and she writes the expected reviews and both of them care about what other people think.
Not exactly. Wynand was actually a would-be hero. And, because he failed to reach his true potential as a hero, he thought no one could. Anytime anyone showed a semblance of integrity, he sought to destroy it. As if to say, "See? No one can have integrity. It's all pretend until it counts - until the moment of truth. If I can't do it, no one can. And, I'll prove it."
And he did prove it. Until he met his match, Roark.
So on one hand, you can say he acted out of fear of the non-second-hander, but not because it would dethrone him. Rather, because it would prove him wrong and forever cause him to regret his life decisions. Ouch.
RE: "Her behavior toward him in public may have be an extension of their little kink..."
Nope. I think I've seen you say somewhere before that The Fountainhead was your favorite Rand book. :) Read it again keeping in mind what I said to rainman720. It may reveal even more for you this time around.
EDIT: a phrase for emphasis
EDIT 2: added smiley to emphasize friendly sarcasm
"Rather, because it would prove him wrong and forever cause him to regret his life decisions. Ouch."
I took this same thing away from when he was noting the leaves changing. It's like Roark is a demonstration that one of the main motivations in his life really doesn't matter.
"Dominique believes the world does not deserve Howard Roark's work."
I can see that, and I find her misanthropy annoying. It's not her decision to make. If the story took place today, she could stop working at a large media outlet that tells people who are unsophisticated about architecture what is good art, and instead write some blog for a tribe of weirdos who appreciate the same art she does.
Dominique is the bridge between them. Telling is the little vignette about the perfect Greek sculpture that she loved -- she threw it down an airshaft and destroyed it. Her values are so important to her that she must pretend that she has no values to protect them from being attacked by the society in which she lives and circulates. Roark challenges all of her beliefs: that men like him are impossible in her time; that men like him can survive openly, rather than in her secret, even closeted fashion; that success is possible on one's own terms rather than society's terms. You would think that she would take one look and yell, "you Tarzan me Jane!" but her own beliefs are too strong. She must prove herself right and she exerts all of her efforts to do that.
There is also the facet that Dominique throughout is punishing herself. She puts herself through Hell in her marriage to Peter Keating and then agrees to be sold to Gail Wynant to get a big commission for Keating -- until that backfires on him. Although there's not a lot of psychobabble in the Fountainhead about her emotions in the Wynant marriage, and clearly he is someone who should have been a Prime Mover himself [echoes of Leo from We the Living], but she is separated from Roark for all that time, which would have been a daily punishment. For all that Wynant had a great deal of potential and clearly enormous intelligence and drive, she willingly became Mrs. Wynant Papers with all that entailed while cutting herself off from everything that she loved. There's a strong element of self-flagellation here, of the mental rather than physical kind.
I think you need to think of Roark a little differently. You speak of "walking in front of the firing squad" -- but does he think that he is in danger? I always saw him as strong enough to bear with her while she struggled through all of the issues that clouded her vision, until she could see clearly and not be afraid of the world, be willing to come out of her closet and acknowledge her values and who she loved. It's like a man who loves a woman with an illness, and he must be patient until she goes through a long healing, cathartic process until she becomes heathy enough to get married. I would analogize it to John Galt, refusing to leave New York even at risk of his own life, until Dagny had finally seen enough that she was willing to leave it all behind because she saw that the things she was trying to hold together were threatening the life of the man she loved.
So, persevere, mon ami. The final trial scene alone is worth the price of admission.
To walk back one of my rhetorical questions to one of Mr. DeSapio's comments, it's obvious that Toohey is out to completely destroy Roark. Until I read his comments about Dominique, I had never considered that she was trying to shield him from the Tooheys of the world.
And after reading the various comments here, I think I've been too focused on Roark, only seeing things from his perspective.
I am going to pick it up and continue, keeping in mind everyone's comments. This kind of input is what I was hoping for when I posted my SOS.
You might even consider reading first the courtroom scene of Roark's testimony when all is explained and then go back to your stuck point to resume from there.
I'd make one slight different comment from what's been said and that is that IMO Roark not only doesn't care what the "second handers" think. IMO he doesn't care what ANYONE thinks because he is so solid in his own opinion of beauty and design and unique expression. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks which I found really liberating to read / experience in this age of PC.
Not going to try reading it again.
Jan
Good. I will put that on my todo list.
Jan
Jan
Hm? WTF?! I think that needs some looking into.
I've rarely, but I have... stopped reading a book or watching a movie... usually because I find the premise to be incalculably stupid or illogical... or just TFB... (Boring.)
I've gotten upset or incensed by the actions of characters in books or movies, but usually stuck around to see 'what happens next' or HTF (How...) they get out of THAT predicament!
I think the only kind of characters which would make me stop reading a book would be if Al Gore writes a book in which Al Gore is the main character.... or Barney Frank or Presidebt Obama or Hillary Clinton or a select few others.
In the meantime, my recent 'reads' have been in the Freakonomics series, and THOSE two really piss me off, because I think their real thesis is about Critical Thinking, but they never mention it, per se, and that's the book I want to write, and NO, I would NOT be the 'main character' in it... at least not by name....
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Both of you have much to learn. You will never learn it Ellsworth. I shall make it inescapable that you shall learn it Dominique, while I relish in the joy you provide me as I do so.
Both of you are powerless to prevent me from succeeding in living my life.
The greatest first line in literature is "Howard Roark laughed." She leaves you with the world in which he can laugh. Carry on.
needs to do it. She thinks she is performing a
sort of "mercy killing" on him; she thinks if she
destroys his career early, she will spare him from
going through a lot more suffering later.
I hope you finish it, as I did, but possibly only because I listened to the audio while multi-tasking.
Punish you unless you lie and say you acted only for the benefit of the socialists.
I almost gave up at this point, but it ended up being my favorite book.