Obama to Jewish leaders: Lay Off The Iran Deal, and I Will Lay Off You
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many Jews still support him in view of his
obvious prejudice. Can understand the Blacks'
adoration, having something in common with
him, but the Jews? Guess image is all, and
character meaningless. Too bad...too sad
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This thing is going to be used for toilet paper.
We have no interest, necessity, or willingness to "make nice" with Iran. They stormed our embassy and held hundreds of Americans hostage for half of Wimpy's (Carter's) failed presidency.
There is no need to negotiate with them, yes, at some point we're looking at another land war in the Middle East - but this deal does nothing to stop that, and if anything only better-arms Iran.
Those nut-jobs have been fighting each other for a millennia over whose flavor of Islam is better. Letting them get nuclear weapons and their money back isn't going to change that...
We need to stand with our all-weather allies in the region.
This jackass in the White House is an absolute disgrace. It's why we shouldn't elect people that have never served in the armed forces, you tend to get this crap every time. It's about "honor". Snapping a salute in your 20's, or smoking a joint... which one is the better adult?
The Israelis have as much claim to the land as anyone else, it was Jewish areas long before it was established as a sovereign nation. Personally, I think they should be given credit for co-existence that they do "do" in terms of being the only place a Palestinian can get a job in the Middle East, rather than continuously demonized. They have ample reason to not trust Muslims, I don't either. Past performance is the best indicator of future expectations... we had a saying when I used to do business in the Emirates "The only reason Allah has the sun rise tomorrow is to renegotiate contracts you signed yesterday."
So? Do we really need their oil when we're exporting from Alaska and have shut down the anthracite deposits in the western US?
Just as an issue but side issue what is the impact of those new oil fields on imports? Or is it being sold out of the country and turned into out of the country deposits?
That same segment of society that can't afford an old gas car can't afford to buy a new engine for those ruined by ethanol. But it is buying a lot of for sale votes in the midwest and enriching the agri-corps.
Maybe we need a workable energy policy starting with no AF1 fligfhts to dinners in Paris.
However the last comment is let them work it out with their neighbors. Which means stay out of the way when the ultimate argument is exploded. Unfortunately or fortunately take your pick it became our business when the US policy became stick your nose in and then head for the horizon. Another way of saying depends on whose in power in DC. It sure isn't morals, values and standards.
There is no reset button on the battle field. There are a lot of body bags. Too damn many.
I think the angst is because the West supported the creation of a Jewish state, but not a Palestine one.
We should concentrate on making our own country strong so we have a good life instead of getting tangled up in so many foreign affairs that have nothing to do with domestic security of our country.
As the only remaining superpower, it's rather unlikely to be completely closed-off from the world, and to a large extent, our military presence guarantees economic access to markets...
all you need to do is survey the nations in the "United Nations" and compare the numbers that are ruled by their people, vs. ruled by a despot. Trust me, we are in the extreme minority... you are talking maybe 30 nations out of the nearly 200 members.
As for the isolationism and WW1, there really wasn't a significant national interest there. That was largely a waste. Regarding WW2, it wasn't the isolationism that got us involved. It was FDR himself. We knew the Japanese were going to attack. In fact, some people have argued that we invited them to attack. The only surprises were when and where.
America took more casualties in a typical morning during the Civil War than we did in all of the Persian Gulf, Iraqi, and Afghan wars.
You make the assumption that most people are basically good... but history doesn't show that, in fact, freedom is excessively rare. Some 250 years and a handful of countries out of all of the world's history.
Although I would also argue that the cause of our freedom is an armed populace, not exclusively our military might. Invasion of the US is pretty much impossible, even if we didn't have a military.
The Rwandans... 50% yes, 50% were shooting at us.
What to say?
It's Africa is the common answer. They really know how to shrug on that continent.
We didn't go looking for a fight in Afghanistan, it was likely the most non-US influenced area in the world, the extent of our involvement was selling them the arms they were asking for to fight the Russians with.
Withdrawing our presence around the world doesn't suddenly mean that Russia or China will.. Do we abandon Western Europe to Russian influence?
Do we abandon the fight against ISIS and tell our Israeli and Turkish allies "oh well"? Turkey is a member of NATO... Jordan is also a close ally, and there is that insignificant seaway called the Suez Canal to consider... How about the Saudis? And we don't do those for free... they generally foot all or most of the tab by the way.
As much as I don't like Obama, his tough love strategy with some of these has been fruitful, and it was needed... The Saudis and Egyptians in particular have picked up the fight against ISIS, but the problem and risk is that they just don't have the training and weapons to get the job done before ISIS gets out of control. Maybe they will, maybe they won't... if we led the fight, it would be a certainty, but that drops precipitously with less US involvement. Do you honestly think ISIS would be happy to only rule their little corner of the desert?
The bitches that they have against the US is a long and detailed list... starting with the Crusades. Nevermind the Crusades were retaliation for Muslim and Mongol invasions of Europe in decades prior, but that little tidbit is never discussed.
The point is, the belief that we can sustain the largest economy on the planet (and still not large enough to employ our population), or that despots and religious zealots would just leave us alone if we're nice to them... is completely dream land.. We are very definitely on the buildup to World War III... that is pretty obvious, what's not entirely known is where the alliances and battle fronts will be drawn yet, but the world is polarizing itself very sharply. Selectively reducing tensions by the elimination of despots and hostile nations has proven generally pretty effective in the post-Cold War world, but in many ways, the world is much more dangerous now. 20 years ago, we knew exactly who are enemy was. We could see them on a map, we saw the red star on their naval vessels, and we could chase them out of the skies over Alaska, Canada, and the Western US while our attack subs could find and follow their boomers at sea. That enemy was very lethal, with one of their dozens of subs carrying some 200 nuclear warheads, yet, we somehow kept the peace for almost 50 years.
Now, we can't even pronounce the names of the enemies, let alone find them in their caves very easily. I'd venture to guess that most have never even met an American, but they hate us because we don't pray to Allah or practice Islam.
I agree they do hate us because we do not practice Islam. We will not change their minds. I have tried numerous times. It has been a waste of breath. Lets the Muslims overrun all nations except the USA, maybe even the US. If it gets to that point, I will have shrugged to my own little paradise.
Just because you don't think so, doesn't mean the majority of America doesn't think so... in fact.. you are really in the minority on that.
Either way, you are talking about 1-2% of the budget of the United States at the absolute most. Medicare/Medicaid and Social Security is 71% of the budget... if you are worried about time & treasure, that shit needs to go in the trash can.
You would be surprised though, ran into the French Foreign Legion in a lot of unlikely places overseas.
I recall a union meeting in our union school actually. For the weekend they would provide a bus to the local shopping center. Target (Tar Jay if you are from the south but not not Walmart.) the unions would love to get that contract but would kill the golden goose in the process. So I asked why Target if you don't want to go to the other place. After all this country is officially at war they chose the other side. It's a French owned company. I myself after twenty plus years in the combat arms would feel like a traitor walking into an enemy establishment. It got real quiet. the bus later took us to another shopping center. it was however roughly the same distance to Walmart. I took a cab back. i should add the youngest son of the Walton Family now deceased was a Sergeant in US Army Special Forces. Ultralite crash I think it was. Takes all kinds
Tyranny by any other name would stink as bad...
Respectfully,
O.A.
He does not care who it hurts.
For the most part, the French have as bad of immigration problems as we do, they have let in waves of Muslims to the point that it stifles their politics... overtly support the US on an action in the Middle East and they burn Paris to the ground. I don't think that in back rooms they have ever wavered in their support of us, but their situation is like an American politician speaking openly about illegal immigration or gay marriage - suddenly the militants are fire-bombing their home, their business, and publicly humiliating them.
So they have lost control of their country? Time to bring in the Legions. Or is that the face of the future? The error seems simple. Control your borders and let the center take care of itself. Don't control your borders you are no longer a country which also seems a fair appraisal of not only France but the USA both hiding in the back rooms.
I'll retract the error.
France, like Japan, has a real problem with procreation... just not enough kids being born, so they were taking in waves of immigration to back-fill the workers retiring. Japan doesn't do that, they are just suffering through a lack of workforce (that is destroying their economy).
What it seemed to boil down to in essence is they don't want them but don't want to pay the cost of repatriating them back to ....
Seems like they are still behind the rest of Europe which leaves a sort of open untreated sore.
Someone forgot to tell them they could subtract the costs by adding them to border duty of imported goods or subtract from any foreign aid. Mmmmmmmm wait a minute. Does France give any other country foreign aid?
Found no evidence of that.
they are good on sort of funny ha ha war memorials though. Most commemorating losses. Something we started learning how to do ourselves in the last century.
Yup Tarjay is HQ'd in Minnesota. How about that.
Ufta!
They voted for him anyway, because they think I'm just a right-wing extremist.
After his re-election in 2012, I told them he would become more dictatorial in the 2nd term because Congress was weak and divided, and Obama had no reason to compromise with them.
I hate being right about this stuff.