Atlas Shrugged, Part 1 Chapter 8: The John Galt Line.

Posted by nsnelson 9 years, 4 months ago to Books
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Summary: Willers tells John Galt about Dwight Sanders. Dagny hears on the radio that Sanders quit. Paul Larkin got Rearden’s ore business, and Ken Danagger (age 50s) got his coal mines. Mouch resigned and became Assistant Coordinator of the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. Despite various challenges to the John Galt Line, the work continued, and Dagny chose Pat Logan to be engineer on its first train. They held a press conference, then had the first run on July 22. The run is successful, and Wyatt joins them to celebrate. Dagny and Hank consummate their romance.

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Atlas Shrugged was written by Ayn Rand in 1957.

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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    “She looked at the crowd and she felt, simultaneously, astonishment that they should stare at her, when this event was so personally her own that no communication about it was possible, and a sense of fitness that they should be here, that they should want to see it, because the sight of an achievement was the greatest gift a human being could offer to others.”
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Another asked, “Aren’t you going to tell us your motive for building that Line?”
    Dagny: “I have told you: the profit which I expect to make… Miss Taggart says – quote – I expect to make a pile of money on the John Galt Line. I will have earned it. Close quote. Thank you so much.”
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Dagny to a Union delegate: “I know what you want. You want a stranglehold on your men by means of the jobs which I give them – and on me, by means of your men. You want me to provide the jobs, and you want to make it impossible for me to have any jobs to provide.”
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    “The general policy of the press had been stated by a famous editor five years ago. ‘There are no objective facts,’ he had said. ‘Every report on facts is only somebody’s opinion. It is, therefore, useless to write about facts.’”
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      Although I have heard this statement (or very similar) from academics in the past, I find more often these days people claim facts where none exist. Such as the "fact" that sea levels are going to rise 20 feet. Unless it actually happens, it's just a prediction. It may have some science behind it (valid or not) but that doesn't make it a fact. Many people (outside the Gulch, at least) don't seem to comprehend the difference.

      Remember the common phrase from many years ago: "That's a fact, Jack!"? It seems most of the pronouncements preceding that remark were far less than factual.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
        "It seems most of the pronouncements preceding that remark were far less than factual."
        Yes. The same is true for "period", "full stop", and "plain and simple". Whenever I hear these, it's a cue to question the preceding statement.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      "There are no objective facts"
      I heard something like this in college. The line of thinking goes something like this: "Our culture and values influence the very questions we ask, which lines of reasoning we pursue, and even our observations. Craniometry is an example of how these cultural values led to wrong conclusions. Accepting science as value-neutral leads to problems."
      I want to go back in time 20 years and grill those professors. I want to ask how do we know we are right now but wrong then? Is it observation? Or is it we decided we value racial equality (I certainly do), and from there we similarly sought evidence consistent with our values? I completely agree science can be wrong. By its nature it encourages people to test hypoetheses and theories. It "wants" surprises. It's practiced by humans with human foibles, so maybe it's never value neutral. So you're right. There are no facts for all time beyond question. Does that mean we give up, and just make stuff up?
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      • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
        You said, "So you're right." I just want to clarify that this is not my comment, but Ayn Rand's. And it was not even her speaking (as one of the good guys), but a comment of an unnamed editor as a position she is implicitly presenting as something ridiculous (is it an objective fact that there are no objective facts?). So your closing question is actually a good critique: what is the alternative to facts? Do we "just make stuff up"? Try standing on a railroad track as a train approaches, and just "make up" the "fact" that the train will not hurt you. Reality does not work that way. We do not live that way.

        I found this quote significant and posted it for the very reason you commented on it: because we can all relate to it since we have heard it taught in school or such. It is this kind of relativism that Rand was showing does not conform to reality.

        Regarding the reliability of science, I would say that science itself is reliable in theory. The problem is the practice of man. We are fallible. We are inconsistent. We have blind spots. So sometimes people are biased in terms of what evidence they seek or accept. Sometimes they misjudge the limits of science (e.g., studying observable nature to draw conclusions about supernatural mysteries). Sometimes we just make human errors. In all of these cases, it is not science that is to blame, but its misuse.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    “People said it because other people said it. They did not know why it was being said and heard everywhere. They did not give or ask for reasons. ‘Reason,” Dr. Pritchett had told them, ‘is the most naïve of all superstitions.’”
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Rearden laughed. “Eddie, what do we care about people like him? We’re driving an express, and they’re riding on the roof, making a lot of noise about being leaders. Why should we care? We have enough power to carry them along – haven’t we?”
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      "We have enough power to carry them along – haven’t we?"
      What I drew from this was we have to tolerate some inefficiencies in any system. If we need a gov't to run courts and such, there will be some waste where someone's getting a free ride. Sensible people will not go on strike or overthrow the gov't on account of light and transient causes. Rand is inviting us to ask how much is too much. How much treading will it take before even the worms turn and resist?
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
      Unfortunately, Rearden was not seeing the ultimate end. Eventually, when the looters sense a "free ride", they keep piling on until the producers DON'T have enough power to carry them along. At that point, the whole thing collapses to the detriment of the producers and looters alike. Unless, of course, the producers have escaped to the Gulch.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
    Rearden to Paul Larkin: “No,” he said. “Either I own a property or I don’t…. Ownership is a thing I don’t share.”
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    • Posted by 9 years, 4 months ago
      This is crucial. This is a fundamental flaw in the USA, and in every government known in our history. They all pervert the notion of property, ownership. They operate on the principle that they, the State, own our selves (and so our labor, and other property).

      People sometimes ask what one thing would I change about our government. I really don't know where else to start. If they get private property wrong, they get everything else wrong. If man owns himself, he owns his life, his time, his labor, the fruit of his labor, and no man, not even a group of men called the "Government," has the right to violate our right to life (i.e., self-ownership). In fact, the Government is tasked to protect that right against those who would take it away. It is sad that the Government has become what it should be fighting. All social interaction, including taxes, should be voluntary. Our Government, no less than criminals, violate our right to property and self-ownership.
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      • Posted by coaldigger 9 years, 4 months ago
        Every time I hear a government official refer to a tax decrease or a deduction as a "cost" I nearly go postal. It is as if they have a right to 100% of our earnings and any amount they let us retain is what they have "given back" to us. This method of thinking is how they come to believe that it would be "fair" to share all wages equally.
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