I gotta ask.....
Have y'all moved on the 2016, or are you still hoping against hope with flip-flopping, foot in mouth, fake-tan guy?
I'm predicting an 11 point blow-out, maybe more if Romney and Ryan actually speak during the debates. lol.
I'm predicting an 11 point blow-out, maybe more if Romney and Ryan actually speak during the debates. lol.
More to the point, why do you need to be a member of a cult, and participate in the rituals of the cult, in order to feel that your world view has relevance?
I don't know how it could be more relevant than dealing with reality as it is; perhaps your attempts to dissuade/insult/criticize everyone here stem from your own insecurity on the relevance of your worldview...?
If you truly felt JML's worldview was irrelevant and ineffectual, you'd just "shrug" and walk away. Your attacks only indicate that you're threatened by JML and people like him. I seriously urge you to consider your motivations for remaining in the Gulch, because it certainly is not to educate yourself nor to engage in friendly debate.
She then went on to call her philosophy of hatred and exclusion "objectivism", hoping the name would lead the feeble-minded to assume her ideas were based in logic and reason.
Apparently, she succeeded.
I fight followers of Rand, because I have seen first hand the pain their action bring to others. I would be fine with it, if they all lived in their little gulch, and had no inter-reaction with members of civilized society, but unfortunately that's not how it works. Randites can only profit by preying on others outside their inner circle, and thus have become a menace to all of society that must be stopped, much the same way that we stop rapists and murderers.
So you work without payment from the production companies you claim to work for? You give wages to your employees based on need, not productivity? You make no profit? If this is true then you are a true "moocher". You create no wealth, create no industry, create no real jobs in other words you have brought no "VALUE" to the world.
I in my work have created wealth, industry, jobs, and value. How by my rational self interest and profit.
Oh, I don't know.... maybe because you are NOTHING without those that surround you. As soon as greedy bastards claim otherwise, the whole nation implodes. Greed has never created a nation, or built a nation, but it has destroyed many.
As for the "creating value" thing, I don't just work for others, I also own a company that employee 160 people, each of whom makes considerably more than industry standard because in my company there are no Randites skimming off the top of the till. In my company, every employee receives the full value of the profit they generate for the company. In return, they have my back, because I have theirs. The company is so successful precisely because we are all in it together.
My income derives from working alongside them, at the same pay rate as them. Additional personal wealth derives from appreciation in value of the company (see there, I used the word "value" correctly, unlike the definition you use, where the ACTUAL value is far different from the arbitrary value you have created in your head.) The company itself belongs to me alone, because that portion alone was my own doing. Since I give all the profits to my employees, the only value the company has is its true worth as e business enterprise.
Since I am not the one doing the work of those other 160 people every day, I have no right to a share of their earnings in exchange for giving them employment. I receive a very nice paycheck by working, just like everyone else. To take anything from the workers that make every dime of profit this company enjoys, would be simple theft.
If you are not able to do the same, it means you are grossly exaggerating the "value" your efforts are creating. If you have to steal from others to profit, maybe you should find another line of work.
And your supposed business is nothing more than a fiction you've created to give yourself a trump card on this board. Name your business or stop repeating the same lie.
Close. Rand's philosophy is that everyone but her vaunted "producers", are lazy moochers, sponging off the government, and turning our nation into a socialist mecca. Never mind that only 2.5% of America owns their own business, making 97.5% of us moochers, and never mind that by financially raping these so called moochers (also known as hard working people), Rand is vilifying the very people who made America great.
Does it at all bother you that your narrative that America is filled full of lazy people who don't work is patently false? Present me with a set of statistics that says that the reason our nation is facing financial difficulties is because of greed at the bottom. It may warm your heart to think so, but there's no truth to it, and the facts don't back you up. The people you call "moochers" are the elderly, mothers in a marriage, students, children, and the those in the military. Those 5 groups represent 84% of all social service funding.
Rand was an advocate of laizzez-faire American-style Capitalism, which is not is the least bit like how Capitalism is practiced in the rest of the developed world. With American-style Capitalism, the goal is to reward the individual at the expense of the whole. That's why business owners in the US make 450 times what their employees do, whereas in the rest of the developed nation that practices Capitalism, the figure averages 22 times as much.
It all comes back to goals and priorities. The rest of the world uses Capitalism as a mechanism of prosperity and growth for their nations: their people decide the priorities for the role of commerce, which in large part is to enable and provide for society's basic needs. In the US, the extremists such as the Randites have rejected that common sense requirement for commerce, and have instead dictated that commerce should serve ONLY the individual, leaving the 97.5% of us that don't own companies should be left in the dust and labeled "moochers" for our efforts in creating wealth for others. Note that I said "Randites" and not "Rand", because most Randites, including those at this site, understand only the parts of Rand that serve their predefined needs, and reject or ignore the rest. It doesn't work that way.
Enough already with the "straw man" meme. It's a coward's way out. Every time someone presents a logic that destroys false premises at this site, it's called out as straw man, yet my replies are ALWAYS a direct response to the issue raised. I don't bend and twist the argument, but I DO reject falseness out of hand, and explain why it's false before I put forth my own premise.
False.
"In the US, the entremists such as the Randites have dicatated that commerce should serve ONLY the individual, and the 97.5% of us that don;t own companies should be left in the dust and labeled "moochers" for our efforts in creating wealth for others."
False.
"The rest of the world uses Capitalism as a mechanism of prosperity and growth for their nations: their people decide the priorities for the role of commerce, which in large part is to enable and provide for society's basic needs."
This point is essentially "everyone else is doing it" which is about as immature of a mentality as you can get. If they were all jumping off a bridge, would you do that too?
The "rest of the world" practices morality. That's not the same thing as jumping off a bridge by a long shot. It's more along the line of stopping the Capitalists from THROWING massive quantities of people off the bridge.
Ok I see your little fiction company. So how does it work? Who determines the pay rate of this little fiction? How are the "profits" shared? by need or production? Who determines the productivity of each worker and thus the share of the profits. Or is it all a equal share of profits? How do you disclose the profits to the employee's? Does everyone get the same health insurance including their families? How does CAL OSHA like this little scheme? Does everyone claim the profits for capital gains tax? Sound like the Starnes Motor company in the making.
Don't start putting words in my mouth. I said nothing of the sort. I stressed BALANCE and COMMUNITY. That doesn't mean you aren't allowed selfish moments, but it does mean you can't build your life around it.
Why do Rndites ahve to see everything in sure stark black and white terms? If someone forbids you from raping another person, you scream and howl that every freedom you ever had in your life was taken away from you. ridiculous.
Why is everything with you so violent. I do not do violence to people. Normal people don't think that way. Of course everything is either right or wrong. There is no grey. Grey is the road to hell and evil. No rights have been or could be taken from me, they can only be trampled on.
I have offered a legitimate question, which not a single member of this site has answered. What do you think that says about the faux Randites at this site, expecting others to do their work for them?
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