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  • Posted by tdechaine 9 years, 4 months ago
    He takes every opportunity to make sure we know that terrorist activity has nothing to do with Islam and most Muslims. He clearly has some kind of a kinship with Muslims.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
    21 attacks in recent memory, by Muslim jihadists. I don't care whether they are affiliated with Hezbollah, Hamas, or any other of the myriad Muslim haters. It's time for Obama to stop tap-dancing around it, and come out and name it for what it is:TERRORISM!! Not only name it, but fight it. If this continues we will deserve the title, "A Nation of Fools."
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    • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
      Herb,
      do you not get it, he is a muslim so he will not see it as we do. he see's it as a muslim and he is proud of what they are doing.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 4 months ago
        Defensive of Muslims he is -- no doubt. Proud of their murders, I don't think so. Is he a Muslim? He was raised as a Muslim during his formative years, and his Christianity is questionable. I think that if he has any religion at all, it is probably more Islam than anything. There is no doubt that he is the worst thing ever to happen to the Constitution and the rule of law in America, but he's not the Devil incarnate.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 4 months ago
    Remember when the shooter at Ft. Hood stood up and yelled "Allahu Akbar" and started blasting in a crowded room? A couple days later I was listening to Michael Savage who had a clip of a very high-ranking government official saying, "I don't want to call this terrorism. I don't want to go there." Savage yelled, "Oh really !? Where do you want to go sir?!" Really had me laughing...
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 9 years, 4 months ago
    My gut reaction mirrors everyone's comments so far, other than CircuitGuy's. And I don't blame CG, ( I think he is correct, and pluralism is this nation's strength) I blame Obama for his 'divide and conquer' politics that is embedding hatred based on demographics ( of gender, race, class, etc) into our society. CG, I agree, pluralism is good. Obama's divisive "leadership" where only poor liberal blacks ( conservative blacks are also the 'enemy'), illegals, LGBTs, and muslims 'count' and anyone who doesn't check at least one of those boxes doesn't count, or even worse, is considered the enemy.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
      I disagree with you that pluralism is good. At least what is meant by pluralism today. America was founded on diverse people coming to the country and striving for material wealth (which is only possible through personal freedom and personal achievement). The goal has always been the same - through any legal and moral means, to achieve the most in terms of wealth. The current version of "pluralism" throws that away; instead, it is affirmative action applied to every fringe group possible. The achievement, the performance, the quality that were required in the past are no longer relevant. One is advanced based on their class characteristics. Likewise, one is punished based on their class characteristics. The Soviet Union and Mao's China have already tried those methods, with countless millions murdered as a result. Yet, you want the same?
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 4 months ago
    you must understand the 0 is a muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    knowing that you then can understand why he chose to ignore what a muslim did, a terrorist act which he condones. so why are you surprised with respect to his reaction to this horrific deed. and yes the act to begin with is sickening and 0 is always sickening.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
    I strongly support this statement, which is unrelated to the shooting, and all statements supporting pluralism.

    I am not sure whether in his actual statement on the shooting he should have talked about extremism instead of his brief statement expressing condolences. Maybe he didn't want to politicize it or speak without having all the facts.

    Any statements in support of pluralism, though, I strongly support.
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    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
      CircuitGuy, please check your circuits. There seems to be a wiring problem.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
        People who condemn the comments in favor of pluralism without explaining why sound like they're on the side of militant extremists and their supporters.
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        • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
          I am surprised that an explanation is required. Very well. One cannot serve multiple gods. Either the driving force in the society will be diversity and multi-culturalism, or it will be excellence. It can't be both. Clearly, our society has chosen to evenly spread mediocrity and failure instead of concentrating on performance and excellence.
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
            "Either the driving force in the society will be diversity and multi-culturalism, or it will be excellence."
            This is a false choice. Having diverse cultures does not affect the pursuit of excellence.
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            • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
              Yes, it does, when the emphasis is on diversity instead of excellence. That is the whole point of affirmative action - people get promoted based on other characteristics than performance. Would you rather trust a black transgender doctor who got into school and graduated through affirmative action, or one that learned his stuff?
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                "Yes, it does, when the emphasis is on diversity instead of excellence."
                This may be a fundamental difference. All the time I see people of different backgrounds come together and do excellent things. I see it happen time and again.

                "That is the whole point of affirmative action - people get promoted based on other characteristics than performance."
                AA has nothing to do with this, but I don't think that was every the point of AA. The idea was people work with people who they know, and those social networks are (the idea goes) racially segregated. So AA was supposed to force people outside their normal network to give minority groups opportunities. I'm generally against such force even if it were a real problem, but in today's world of electronic networking I don't even think the problem exists.

                This seems like a discussion for 50 years ago. "Can diverse groups work together and create excellence? Do we need AA to do that?" Now, 50 years later, the answers are obvious: YES! Diverse groups without AA create amazing things people couldn't have dreamt of 50 years ago.
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                • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
                  You seem to be bundling and switching unrelated items. When the criteria is performance, it really does not matter if the performer is green or purple. But, if most of the top performers happen to be purple, the solution is for the greens to improve themselves, not for the purples to dumb themselves down or to simply promote the greens when they don't deserve it. What is called "diversity" nowadays is in fact a new name for affirmative action, only not it is not limited to race but to every perversion that can be thought of. Obviously, with such a long list of priorities, performance is no where to be found. The progressives (socialists) have always used Orwellian techniques of renaming their agenda to hide the bankrupted items. This is what "diversity" is. It is not simply people accepting each other and working together.
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                    "When the criteria is performance, it really does not matter if the performer is green or purple."
                    True
                    "But, if most of the top performers happen to be purple, the solution is for the greens to improve themselves, not for the purples to dumb themselves down or to simply promote the greens when they don't deserve it."
                    I would say that group disparity not actual a problem in need of a solution. The real problem is defining identity by a group.

                    "You seem to be bundling and switching unrelated items"
                    Yes. This has almost nothing at all to do with my original claim, which was I applaud pluralism.
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                    • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 4 months ago
                      So, back to the original issue. Obama made his speech regarding Islam, while specifically ignoring the responsibility of Islam in the murder of Marines that has just occurred, and of the murder of thousands others that have been occurring recently. He did not promote the embrace of diversity, he promoted, as always, the divisiveness that he creates. If you applaud pluralism, based on performance, not on belonging to the social group of the day, than how can you possibly applaud the hatred and divisiveness that he is creating?
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                      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                        "while specifically ignoring the responsibility of Islam in the murder of Marines that has just occurred, and of the murder of thousands others that have been occurring recently"
                        He's called ISIS a "brutal vicious death cult". At some point carrying on about criminals, esp crimes committed specifically to seek attention, is counterproductive.

                        The way I see it, violent extremists want to create hatred and divisiveness. People who want the US president to respond to the extremists in a way that aggrandizes them also apparently want to create hatred and divisiveness. The rest of us successfully live and work with people of all backgrounds and want nothing of little people who want to turn us against one another for their own gain.
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            • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 4 months ago
              It does when the diversity/multiculturalism results in balkanization instead of the melting pot our founders intended. Which is exactly what we get today.

              Instead of urging cultures to assimilate into one they are urged to remain separate.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 4 months ago
                "It does when the diversity/multiculturalism results in balkanization instead of the melting pot our founders intended. Which is exactly what we get today.
                Instead of urging cultures to assimilate into one they are urged to remain separate."
                I certainly wouldn't urge people to be separate, but I don't think people need urging to come together, esp with today's technology.
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